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Observing a Gay Debate on The View

Written by TheObserver from the blog TheTVObserver on 14 Oct 2008
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I was watching morning TV when The View had an interesting debate going on. The View hosts where discussing the possibility of people being born homosexual. Now I thought that was interesting since this is one of those conversations where everyone thinks they have a correct opinion, which is better than anyone. Each woman talked about whether they believe gay people are born that way. Elisabeth Hasselbeck said that she believed people are predisposed to things but Sherri Sheppard said that she struggles with the concept, even though some of her close friends are gay. She feels that it goes against her religious beliefs. It was actually an interesting debate and a more mature discussion than I was expecting from this show. Barbra Walters said the problem is that more and more of these gay guys are starting to look and act very straight to a point of not being noticed. Whoopi Goldberg said that in all honesty there is no way to tell which is if you found him in bed with another man. Supposedly doing the nasty!

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It got me thinking, I am sure gay bloggers on TVSA can contribute much better insight that I would. However this is what age and experience has taught me. People who are gay, are just that …gay and those who are bisexual, they are just that… bisexual. I do believe that there are certain gay people who may sleep with women due to circumstance (family, friends, society, work or career expecting them to marry and so forth) or confusion.

I also think that the complexity of this whole situation makes it very difficult for anyone to understand homosexuality or bisexuality. To make it even more complicated, ADD transgender. For the purpose of the debate on The View, I will contain my opinions and commentry to the “born gay” issue.

Do I think people are born gay? HELL YES!
Do I think people can choose to be gay? HELL NO! Not unless you where bisexual or gay to begin with!
Do I think people can have gay experiences? YES! - I believe that some heterosexual people, (not all), have had gay experiences of a varying range, which does not mean they are gay. It just means that the phantom of attraction and sexuality just found a same sex target (or call it a complication in the system) and well if they act on it. It will remain part of their little secret to be revealed in their after life. Imagine that.

However, there are those men who enjoys certain abilities offered by gay people, whilst certain gay men are attracted to straight men. So it makes the whole thing very complicated if you look at the sexual side of things, where love does not exist.

What makes me upset however, is those boys who get married and have boyfriends on the side. This in my opinion is the root of most problems which are compounded by those guys who are married who seek out gay hook-ups. It’s sick because women are busy looking for the other women, where in fact now we have entered the age or “the other man”. So ladies please check that dude out first because these gay guys are the “perfect boyfriend” or the “prefect husband” which you are looking for. Please be careful.

What we know is that we have gay people…. born that way or not; they are here and have been around as part of the human race for a long time and will continue to be around. The difference is that part of these people’s lives and nature is that they are capable of hiding who they are better than any race ever on earth. So you might not even know that you have one in your family because when they see how difficult its going to be, they hide. So, just get up to speed and be clear ladies.

I knew this guy, aged 40 who was married with 3 children. He was very successful and he had a boyfriend (35). Now what made the whole thing even worse he bought his boyfriend an expensive apartment (which was pretty much a house). He was in the relationship with the boy before he met his wife and by his own definition, he’s relationship with this boy was the longest relationship he’s had. Here is a kicker; if you met these guys together in your local Woolworth’s or Pick ‘N Pay, I bet you a lot of money you would not tell they where in an intimate relationship. They behaved like a typical rough soccer loving guys. About the wife … can you just guess.. Well if you couldn’t, he got married because his family expected him to get married and demanded it. Don’t you just love family; I personally find this to be a dick of a situation. What about the kids? This dude would visit his boyfriend with his own kids and I would think what was going to happen when these kids got to be 18, 25 or even 30. How was this man going to explain that uncle BOB is actually daddy’s boyfriend. I see why therapists make so much money…

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Walters made some very interesting points which made me think that these gay people should be left to have their own relationship so that pain and grief could be prevented from the women and kids who are left victims of the very hatred directed towards gays. It just sends chills down my spine, when I think of those women who just want to get married only to discover that their hubby has a hubby!

Of course there are those gay guys who cannot help themselves because they are just obviously gay. I think they are great because you can tell. And there are those straight guys who are too girlie but they are not gay or bisexual… they are just straight as arrows.

The debate was quite heated and I kept on thinking great hot topic but it was juts too complicated to discuss. This was brought on by the statement made by a U.S senator about the scientific discovery of gay genes. I personally thought that all those people who build their beliefs, faiths and churches not to mention clubs or organization on hating gay people because they think it’s just a satanic choice kids make. I wonder if they would dare say God is satanic for giving gay people the gay gene or would they go after the parents and hate them for containing the gay gene. Whatever the situation this is one for a very heated debate.

The View airs on SABC3 weekdays at 11:20am.

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19 Comments

HARAMBE24
14 Oct 2008 15:42

The observer : Can i buy you lunch and thank you for such an honest article. Speaking from a gay men's perspective, i agree with you hundred percent.

i was actually having the same discussion with another blogger last week that there is a lot of grey between this black and white matters of being gay. It is pity straight people only choose to see the either straight or Gay shades..what about the in between?

tizoz
14 Oct 2008 17:15

This in my opinion is the root of most problems which are compounded by those guys who are married who seek out gay hook-ups. It’s sick because women are busy looking for the other women, where in fact now we have entered the age or “the other man”.

This is so true, seems like guys are just hooking up left right and centre it's scary! Facebook alone is the most used site for hooking up with guys these days! Anyway lovely article Obs...

Brown Shuga
14 Oct 2008 17:33

<<<The observer : Can i buy you lunch and thank you for such an honest article>>> Tjo Observer wa batho!! Heeheheh

I didn't know The View was on??? Blame it on BBA. Mara the timing is awkward for non-housewives...are there late night repeats?

lepogo
15 Oct 2008 01:45

This is the most honest article on homosexuality that I have ever come across-nothing new but honest.

My 2cents worth?I think the whole dont have a problem with people being gay-just the thought of them doing the nasty that infuriates them.I am not sure if I have any gay friends(never checked) cos I relate with people,not gays,females or even males.

So the biggest problem is the bigotry that is nursed especially by the gay communitiy,that people need to accept them,its not about them,its about you being humans first,then gays or straight next.

Word,mense,word.

HARAMBE24
15 Oct 2008 02:27

BS: Watch ure mouth mokgotsi....Tizoz=ure so right, facebook is a dating site for gay men..LOL...I almost got married to a guy i met there ( another story for another blog)....lepogo= Your two cents worth is so off the mark....believe me, nobody wants to nurse bigotry, its just there nje...BUT this is a nice article that i am sending to all my fag friends....

tizoz
15 Oct 2008 02:47

lol... spill the beans H24 marriage falls on ure lap and u didnt take it! lol!

Pogzi: it's kinda interesting how doing the nasty is the main rason some people cannot tolerate gay folks..... you will be amazed at how loving dudes can be and they go through the same emotions "straight" people go through. 

Fair enough there is more than enough experimenting happening but that doesnt define gay folks as promiscous....(spelling bakhozi spelling) they aint experimenting cause they know what they want. it's the "husband" that leaves poor Jane in search for Jack..... oops no pun intended......lol,

monchooza
15 Oct 2008 03:06

this is one straight up article.....so true

lepogo
15 Oct 2008 03:19

@H24,
Bigotry in this instance,is that the gay community is always up in arms at the slightest of negative attitudes towards it,and it seems to be bent on getting everyone to accept them-which,I think,Its the same as blacks slavishly begging for acceptance to be treated as equal beings by whites.

And I find it despicable that people have to force others to accept them just as they are,which in turn creates a chain of events which leads to more bigotry and misunderstandings.

I have no problem with human sexuality,I have a problem when anyone,gay or straight,want to shove themselves and their sexuality down my throat-hell,throw a Savannah down there once in a while-no problem with that.......

Toxic
15 Oct 2008 03:29

nice to see the boys on this site dominating :)

WiseArse
15 Oct 2008 09:48

Very interesting article and not everyone's cup of tea - but truth is it potentially affects us all. Could be your partner, your father, your brother or even your priest! I listened to an interesting show this morning (Redi Direko - that smartie!) about a school principal who sued schoolboys (18yrs) for calling him gay - claims R600k. 

Now the issue here is not so much being called gay, as in "prefers guys", but as Whoopi says, the concept of being imagined bonking with another guy. For most in society, there is still loads of judgment against that. This will and does lead to more guys deciding to make all efforts to be "macho" meanwhile they are After 9s...

As for bigotry, well perhaps we have to go back to the definition of what a bigot is...I dont see gay people as bigots, but rather as activists, who are aware of the general prejudice that most in society hold towards them and for those who've crosed the fear boundary and embraced their sexuality, and made it public; they justifiably defend it with their all - and yes, in the process, others are offended (such as my lovely Lepogo).

By the way, I think we need Part II of After 9 - I loved those guys; they should make it more juicy and add more hotheads.

HARAMBE24
15 Oct 2008 09:50

Fair enough lepogo..ure last posting is right on the mark. I for one have this motto : IF YOU DONT PAY MY BOND, I DONT CARE WHETHER YOU ACCEPT ME OR NOT...i dont need to be accepted coz i have accepted myself already....This is quite a fresh topic.

jay 01
16 Oct 2008 08:27

well my opinion as a very obvious gay guy is society spends too much time worrying about us while we wouldnt careless about them, i am so happy with myself and my sexuality and i wat my nextdoor neighbour thinks of me does not even bother me at all.the other thing is this whole deal about dating married man has such a bad effect on the way people judje gay man. trust me i went out with one before and the wife is the one controlling the relationship because when she says jump he says how high leaving poor me alone and sad. i would call it the worst chapter of my life but now iam going for the single and available gay dudes and iam glad i found one too. then they is my aunt who demanded to know if i was gay before going to a church meeting so that she would pray for me while she was there. when i said i was she asked me to stop dating guys coz it was a choice. wat you all dont realise is that my sexuality is what makes me a better person. iam kind,understanding,loving ,forgiving,supportive,clean,tidy and boy do i know how to cook all because iam gay. while most strait guys are just the opposite

lepogo
16 Oct 2008 08:30

@jay01,
"beacuse you are gay"?"While most strait guys are just the opposite"?

Now this has just turned me gay in a few seconds.....

jay 01
16 Oct 2008 08:45

wat are you saying

model5
16 Oct 2008 08:53

"is that the gay community is always up in arms at the slightest of negative attitudes towards it".....You know I love this statement from Lepogo, People who confess to being gay are too sensitive. I mean homosexuality is not something we are taught about as kids and when you do meet someone who is gay and you ask them to educate you more about homsexuality for example: Is there a person who plays the male/ female role, what is the difference between a gay guy like Iko mash/ somizi and those who claim to be the "ORDINARY" GAY GUY.
YOU GUYS SNAP......I mean really I am just trying to understand the whole 'Thing" and sorry if I sound rude but I call it the whole thing cause I don't really understand much and apperently inquiring means you are bieng rude, ingnorant and all the other words You get called....The truth is if we want to be accepted for whatever reasons the burden of educating others lies with us.....And when people ask Instead of snaping practice understanding cause sometimes We the SO CALLED STRAIGHT PIPS....are really in the dark about the issue and SIFUNU KWAZI.....
I am a mother and one day when my daughter asks me about sexuality of any kind I want to know I am giving the right answers and not teaching her rubbish.

HARAMBE24
16 Oct 2008 10:04

MODEL5 = Darling , where have you been? I have answered most of these questions on my blogs....

monwy
16 Oct 2008 12:09

great article indeed, gay people are not made and didnt choose but born dat way, i am saying this in afta 9s CHINA voice, ITS NOT EEEEzy being gay

model5
17 Oct 2008 05:24

HARAMBE24....ya ne just been looking over some of yo blogs, I know where to go when I hook up with a certan celebrity man that I am dying to have, for all the bedrooms Antics.
BUT on a serious note though there are too many of your posts, can you please give the title of the one that educates about honosexuality...I'm serious I have questions I would like answers to......

lepogo
17 Oct 2008 05:34

@jay01,
This is the kind of bigoted views I was expressing before-that ALL gay guys are clean and neat-and all hetero guys are clumsy and untidy-

And from a sector that is soo discriminated against,thats soo ironic and sexist.....

Other than that,Im sure I will like H24 when I see him,and Im sure he is a cool guy,who simply happens to like penises in the same way all the guys in here obsesses over theirs....


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