3rd Degree: Ukuthwala Turns To Statutory Rape

Written by makisto from the blog Frankly Speaking on 10 Nov 2010
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Imagine this: A 13-year old girl is on her way to fetch water by the river, then suddenly two men of about 35 appear from nowhere and "kidnap" her. Then the child is taken into the kidnapper's home where the horny bastard will make the child his wife and even impregnate her. In this man's mind, he has got all the rights to act in this way and definitely sees nothing wrong with it.

Their parents are glad to have one less plate to serve

Unfortunately, for girls under the age of 18 in Lusikisiki, this isn't some kind of an imagined picture but a reality they have very slim chances of escaping. Meanwhile, their parents are glad to have rid themselves of at least one plate of food every time super or breakfast is served. For these poor girls, they want nothing more than to be at school hoping that some day, they will have careers.

Ukuthwala was the subject matter in last night's episode of 3rd Degree. I was petrified and said to myself, if any kind of bastard will ukuthwala my daughter, their body will be ripped into over 100 pieces before I hand over myself to the police.

The girls' wishes is to focus on nothing else but their studies

Pictures of young girls making their way to school were shown and as a 25-year old father, all I could see was mere toddlers trying to get an education. But for horny bastards of over 35 in Lusikisiki, all they see in these young girls are wives whom will fulfil their sexual fantasies.

An insert of girl pupils were shown and from what the girls said, you could tell they believe ukuthwala is wrong as they themselves state they are still young and they should only be focusing on their studies. 

Sexual peverts have diverted the meaning of ukuthwala to suit and justify their horrible deeds.

Outspoken cultural analyst Nombiniso Gasa spoke in great detail about the origin, meaning and intention of ukuthwala. She said ukuthwala is a practice whereby a fairly young widow would be "kidnapped" by a certain man and she would become his new wife. This was done in consultation with her family and her in-laws and after the whole ukuthwala thingie, cows would be paid to the in-laws.

In another instance, ukuthwala is a means of a man who cannot speak for himself with the opposite sex. Then, consultations with the family of a woman he would like to marry would begin and voila, the woman will marry the man.

The girls are called "sexual objects, bitches and baby makers" among other names

However, for Lusikisiki's despicable men, they can do as they please with young girls because all they see in them is "sexual objects, baby makers, bitches" and many other degrading names.

During 3rd Degree Plus, Gasa explained that she grew up in the '70s and during her childhood, there were only 5 instances of ukuthwala and that it wasn't toddlers who were thwala-ed.

When customary law is in conflict with western law, western law should take precedence - Prof Shadrack Gutto on what the Constitution says

Constitutional expert from the University of South Africa, Prof Shadrack Gutto spoke about the violation of children security as stated in the Constitution of the Republic of South Africa. He also stated that (as we all know) having a sexual encouter with minors is nothing but pure statutory rape.

In the crux and root cause of the matter, lies excuses of poverty and a cultural practice that has been practiced over centuries by Lusikisiki forefathers. If a child tries to run away and go back home, the children's parents will be furious and send them back to their husbands. They would make statement like, do you want me to return the cows, do you want me to lose these cows. Essentailly, these poor girls have nobody to turn to, let alone anywhere to go.

About 46% of girl pupils drop out to "focus" on their marriage

According to a teacher in one of Lusikisiki schools, there is a 46% dropout of girl pupils from school. Many cases of these nature are not reported to the police as some of the police men are guilty of the same practice. Some are arrested but later freed, consequently betraying young souls who seek justice for their predicament. 

A man who once thwala-ed a 13-year old was interviewed and gave a full picture of how he went about it. Basically, he followed the same route as that of the bastards stated in the opening paragraph. The man stated he works in Durban and he needed someone to take care of his house. When he returned home last year in December, he was arrested for kidnapping and statutory rape, to his surprise, he claims. He also claims that he hadn't had an intercouse with the girl because he stated that traditioanlly, there should be no intercourse until lobola cows have been paid. However, medical tests showed that the girl he thwala-ed was raped.

What's clear is that JZ getting a second term in office is more crucial than explaining to the country why the government turns a blind eye on this matter.

On the other hand, The Ministry of Women, Children and People with Disabilities, is dragging its foot in addressing the matter. The Minister or the spokesperson couldn't make it to 3rd Degree recording because they had to attend JZ's strategic Cabinet reshuffling. What's clear here, at least to me, is that ensuring JZ's second term in office is more crucial than telling the country why the government fails these children.

What's clear here is that this cultural practice should be done away with and pronounced illegal. Prof Gutto said in a country like South Africa where you have customary law and western law, if the customary law is in conflict with western law, then, western law should take precedence and I agree. However, it looks like the government wouldn't be doing so anytime soon as some Mandela Parliamentarian is guilty of sexist statements and practices.

A culture that doesn't evolve, risks being irelevant to its people - Blaqueboi on societal issues

The Sonke Gender Network was in studio and said it is high time South Africa says enough is enough. And it's true, enough is enough, the government must pay urgent attention to this matter and many other related matters. Blaqueboi stated in one of the debates we had earlier this year that a culture that doesn't evolve risks being irelevant to its people. Hence ukuthwala isn't relevant to 2010 teenagers. 

A country's caring nature is judged by how it's treating vulnerable children - Former deputy minister of Correctional Services, Ms Loretta Jacobus

This is to the government, stop being self-centred bastards who only care about R150 000.00 monthly salaries and the fancy cars you drive as well as bilateral picnics you have with your international buddies. Former deputy Minister of Correctional Services Ms Loretta Jacobus once said, a country's caring nature is judged on how it treats the young and the vulnerable. I guess this gives us a picture of how the government views the failed souls of Lusikisiki.




40 Comments

BigMama
10 Nov 2010 09:35

My heart was in pain when the other gal told us she now has infections she never thought she would ever have, and that the so called husband received phone calls from other woman to meet with him... This culture thing is being abused now...

BigMama
10 Nov 2010 09:38

And that mother who said her daughter left her hubby because she doesn't owe anyone anything and now she has to take back the cows that were used to pay lobola for her...Iyhooooooo some mother's are such a disgrace.

carino
10 Nov 2010 09:43

Would I be wrong to compare this tradition to that of circumcision?? This is some people's culture.. they believe in it and it has worked for them in the past. It is just that these days the people who are doing it are not following the  correct procedures that used to be followed in the olden days. And that is just for the obvious reasons that our society's morals have been diluted.

Just same as circumcision. People who believe in it are always too quick to defend it and to shoot down anybody who disagrees. 

I can go on and on about the same differences in these two cultures, it's just that I'm not too sure what difference my gaaning aan willl bring.

makisto
10 Nov 2010 10:16

Eish Big Mama, that woman doesn't deserve to be called a mother = caring more about cows given to you than your own flesh and blood?

@Carino, I believe in circumsission and it is still practiced in my community and if I ever have a baby boy, I will want him to go to the initiation school, if he agrees of course. But Carino, I think we cannot compare these two practices because there are some differences. Firstly, the boys' education isn't affected in a major way such that their dream are doomed. It is indeed now diluted for obvious reasons and there is nothing crucial young men are taught at initiation schools.

Ukuthwala is a practice that major parties involved have little say in and the law isn't prepared to intervene while with circumsicion, the law does intervene. Essentially, in the coming 50 years, boys will not be going to initiation schools anymore because more and more people believe it serves no purpose apart from one thing only.

makisto
10 Nov 2010 10:19

Eish Cheesa my friend, it is really disappointing that parents don't act against this horrible thing. I completely share your sentiments.

BigMama
10 Nov 2010 10:28

l second your thoughts there Cheesa.

ownah m p
10 Nov 2010 10:32

AOO!!!!! i just hope i can wake up oneday and find out that everyone is free and protected... why cant people let others live their life in a good way....

CNAZO A.K.A NAUGHTYGAL
10 Nov 2010 10:38

i hate the fact that  the parents are not against  ukuthwala,they are just happy  of the damn cows!!!

pele
10 Nov 2010 10:49

Makisto it's about time..tjo.

Ukuthwala is outdated and it has been twisted for sex starved predators taste, the little i know about ukuthwala was a family make arrangements like in Indian marriages but the difference is in this one the girl will kept in the dark about this arangement,  she will be sent by her family to the river on purpose and get thwaled.
In this day and age no one has a right to force even their own kids to do what benefits them tu, i am sure the aremany  social workers in Lusikisiki they must do their jobs and stop failing these young girl please.

Carino - Would I be wrong to compare this tradition to that of circumcision??

i hate debating about circumscision but i want to reply just a bit in your question:

Circumcision is my culture and if done right and followed  (even western) right procedures it turns out perfectly.
i will say you are wrong to compare ukuthwala nolwaluko sisi, ulwaluko is something each and every majority of boys are eager to do from the the young age. 
Where i am from no boy was ever forced to do circumscision, we grew up ready for it and accepted our oldies to cut our foreskin at our own will.
Today the are many underlying factors that we need to be real about in terms of this culture: like the fact is  this dying or wrong horrible results  dont only lie with the culture of , it also lies on the responsibility of each and every boy and family that is ready to take this journey. 

Unfortunately today most boys get themselves in hot water by rushing things and going for circumcision the wrong way, and they get greedy old man who dont ask they just chop and get paid ending up killing most boys.
I will really would love to dwell further on this but the topic is not about ulwaluko so let me leave you there

Any family that agrees for their 10yr olds to be married to grandpa's must be prosecuted, this is one tradtion we can leave without.

AkaS
10 Nov 2010 11:04

Its sad what is happening out there when I looked at that girl her feet were swollen.  She never had life most of all now is in pain because of an old idiot nx.

According to them love is not important what is important ukuthola ivirgin as per one of those guys explanation.

Mhh maybe they must all opt to wear trousers so that they won't mind them and call them prostitutes

 

 

makisto
10 Nov 2010 11:18

Mhh maybe they must all opt to wear trousers so that they won't mind them and call them prostitutes
Akas, they don't have money to buy those trousers. Their parents wont agree because their chances of getting lobola cows for their 13-year old daughters will be out through the window. You saw how those mothers value cows than their daughters' s well-being.

lejazz
10 Nov 2010 11:22

I was so appalled to hear the utterance of that sick and mad woman.How can you sell your little kid for three cows mara.

andi01
10 Nov 2010 11:22

@Carino- lets leave circumcission out, we not allowed to discuss that, but its definetely not the same.

As a xhosa woman I understand the culture. However I dont justify it. It has some elements of abuse but the way the society is today, is to blame for that. I am a product of Ukuthwala. My mother was 19 when he was thwala'd for my father whos was 34 at teh time. He had been married twice and had a boy and a girl from those marriages.

The main reason that now the victims are younger its bcoz. Girls nowaday fall pregnant at early stages. So men want fresh wives and thereby target younger girls. There is so much that is messed up in our society that ironically ukuthwala becomes a solution. Parents are spmetimes worried that, my child will fall pregnat anyways, and maybe that boy would leave her without paying damages. so its better if she is married and has a husband to look after her. Where I come from, gels as young as 15 have infectious diseases, and they were not thwala-d. They had consentual relationships with older men, for different reasons. those men then leave them, with young children and the burden is more for the parents. SO somr parents agree to the concept, thinking that they are protecting their children and giving them a better future.

pele
10 Nov 2010 11:31

eish andi01- you have rasied many facts that i did'nt even explore, but teh problem is today no one ha sa right to think for someone else, the 15 year old grils taht you refrring to at least had their own choices to be in those situations. So parents must not live their kid slives, they should allaow them to grow and make their own choices no matter what. 

SO somr parents agree to the concept, thinking that they are protecting their children and giving them a better future.

i refuse to believe, you may be rightin some but in most parents the are cows involved, it is not about protection in my view it is about parents thinking the kids owe them something back which is never true.

makisto
10 Nov 2010 11:34

Girls nowaday fall pregnant at early stages.
This excuse is invalid for raping minors. It can never be equated to a reason. I'm sorry Andi01, I know you are just saying (and are probably not twaling minors) as trying to understand the matter and that's the excuse they gave last night but it's a bloody invalid excuse.
So men want fresh wives and thereby target younger girls.
But these young girls are young enough to be those men's very own daughters and the bastards hide behind culture. African culture makes i t clear that every child (including those raped minors) in a community is your child and you have a moral obligation to look out for them and always protect them, at least in Limpopo where I come from. If I see any group of children fighting, in my culture, it is my moral obligation to intervene. It's just an unwritten rule or practice. If I see that my neighbour is abusing a child, it is my moral obligation to report the matter to the child's relatives, moshate or the police.

with young children and the burden is more for the parents. SO somr parents agree to the concept, thinking that they are protecting their children and giving them a better future.
Though it is viewed as a burden to look after your own grandchildren and own child, nothing can ever justify selling your child to sexual predators for two cows. As far as I know, there is no hunger grave in South Africa. If these bastards are culturalists and traditionalists that they claim to be, let me remind them that African culture talks about collective responsibility. It is my duty as a neighbour and relative to help with a loaf of bread, skirt every once in while to those living in abject poverty. This isn't me, it's African culture that I have been taught. It also translate to a sense of ubuntu.

One and Only
10 Nov 2010 12:20

Brothers&Sister, Lovers&Foes

I look at circumcision custom, I look at ukuthwala but me sight no difference. I think these 2 are directly proportional. These 2 are outdated and no longer relevant in our society.

This thing doesn't only happen in the rural areas but here in Jhb as well. This is the same reason I was chased away from 1 of the famous big born again churches.

I stood up to the pastor and elders when a good friend of mine who couldn't face and tell a certain woman he loves her, decided to go to the pastor and ask for help to do such leading to the pastor inviting both to his house and lock them in a bedroom to discuss marriage.

For as long as we still classify boys with cut foreskin as man this will still continue.

Akia
10 Nov 2010 12:32

pastor inviting both to his house and lock them in a bedroom to discuss marriage................ ayikho into enyanyisa njenga le

Akia
10 Nov 2010 12:36

why can't they THWALA people of their age and size? nxa odoti laba abasaba ukushela ghaaaaaaaaaaa

pele
10 Nov 2010 12:49

One and Only i will love you to respect what you dont know & understand please. Tolerance goes a long way...

pele
10 Nov 2010 12:51

Tolerance is me not calling you 'inkwenkwe' because you have your foreskin.

Tolerance is me understanding your culture and respecting your right to you way fo living.

One and Only
10 Nov 2010 12:59

Pele there're things I can show respect to and have a degree of tolerance towards to but not this.

The reason why people separate kitchen and bathroom is because they cannot tolerate their own dirt and these customs are nothing but that as well.

For those who are for these cultures, please give us advantages of such.

BM
10 Nov 2010 13:09

One and Only and Pele the topic is about ukuthwala, please....

maud
10 Nov 2010 13:10

lets concetrate ekuthwaleni and leave other things aside as i see its now going to get out of hand.

at the age of 13, i tried to picture myself and think back what was i doing when i was thirteen and what i can remember is that i was so young i coudnt even wash myself properly, so imagine having to sleep with a man at that age , God where are you?

carino
10 Nov 2010 13:12

The reason I said this ukuthwala business is just the same as circumcision is because the minute I saw this article I was immediately reminded of an article that Phathu did on JustCurious about this circumcision and people jumped to being all defensive about that culture without stopping to listen to reason.

That issue was about children who continue to die Eastern Cape as a result of circumcision that is being done out of the proper lines that were set back in the day.

Now people circumcise just njee.. and young boys have been made to believe that they are not men until they have a missing piece of skin so they end up stooping down to being cut illegally and other elders have also stooped as low as opening up illegal schools just so that they will receive money and goats and flour and everything that comes with being a rathipana.

So it’s the same thing with this ukuthwala tradition.

It used to be done well back in the day and elders had reasons as to why it had to happen the way that they chose to make it happen. Now it has lost meaning and stupid men are hiding behind the name of ukuthwala for a license to abduct and ruin the future of young girls.

@andi. lets leave circumcission out, we not allowed to discuss that, but its definetely not the same.

I am not leaving it out anything. We are also not allowed to discuss ukuthwala.

@pele. i hate debating about circumscision but i want to reply just a bit in your question:
Circumcision is my culture and if done right and followed (even western) right procedures it turns out perfectly.

I also hate very much to debate about ukuthwala. Ukuthwala as well if done right and followed right procedures it turns out perfectly.

pele
10 Nov 2010 13:20

For those who are for these cultures, please give us advantages of such.

to be honest i am not in mood for this, but i will say to you why should you be looking for advantages on somethign that does'nt involve you anyway.

Look at it this way;

The reason that King Zwelithini agreed that after so long Zulu's will do cirucmcision is beacuse of a study about health risks involved, white people cut off their foreskin fro the same reasons.
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To us we did it our way and have our reasons (which also include health risks), now it's up to you  to educate yourself more and learn to understand something before jumping into it.

BM...i'm done the i something i hate discussing something with  someone who has made up their our mind but still needs more info about it, and in this case, i bow out.



BM
10 Nov 2010 13:33

This topic is like atheist vs theists where no one will want to back out on what they believe in..so people can we deabte about thsi 'thwaling thing''

Carino as half Xhosa as i am it is not taboonor sacred to talk about ukuthwala the only person who get's be in the dark about the subject is the girl akuthwala qha. and i feel it's unneccesary to bring a topic within a topic is we will achive nothing all of us.

back to the tpic..

Makisto nice recap, 

The government of the EC must take this thing seriousl, in Ethopia young girls like these in the ame situation grow up and have damaged uterus and very funny diseases because of these old bastards who force themselves at them at a young age.

Where are the POWA'S OF THIS WORLD ETC







myname
10 Nov 2010 13:37

I was heart broken when one youngster said she has a disease. Gaaad umntu angachama i oats if it were my daughter. 

In my area they still practice this s*** but they only thwalad girls coming from poor families so they can pay the parents 5/7 sheeps. I mean WTF is 5 sheeps????? 

A neighbour of mine once tried doing this to a lady eyakhulela edladleni. My father was still alive then (May his soul rest in peace). The neighbour invited my sister to fetch water to the river then the bastards came and thwalad her. My father went straightto the guys' home, carrying iqgudu. You couldn't mess with him coz he knew how to mura umntu.

Fortunately my sista was back unharmed coz he took her the same day. He told them his daughters are not for sale and they will chose their husbands.

FK
10 Nov 2010 13:44

This is very sad mara yazi.  Anyway

There is nothing wrong with ukuthwala, we need to respect and be tolerant of cultures that we dont practice.  Having said that, there is a huge difference between statutory rape and ukuthwala.

Based on Makisto's recap, i can safely say that this is pure statutory rape.  These are still kids and parents should always protect their kids from such.  When a child reaches puberty, this is by no means that they are now ready to be some uncle's wife and bear kids for him.  It is sickening.  Also, it is no ticket to riches (proverty).  They should not see this as a way of geting rid of their child as this means there will be less plate to feed.

When this is done with grown ups, I think I am bit tolerant.  Grown ups, meaning they are at the stage of starting a family, then I understand..


andi01
10 Nov 2010 13:51

@Carino-I meant, in my culture, women arent suppose to discuss cicurmsicion and I respect that. If u feel like you want to, go ahead. in respect of my culture and who I am, I wont go further than that. It doesnt happen to women, uthwalo happens to us, therefore we have a right to debate that.

@ Akia- "why dont they thwala people their own size" its bcoz most of them are old and "used goods". Some were thwala-d by other people and have their own families now.  We have 15 year olds, dating sugar-daddy's for money and fancy clothes. it is a sad world out there, pity some acts are accepted than others. Men arent supposed to have sex with the gesl until the lobola negoatiations. What used to happen was that, guys would go to thwala in the morning when the ges go to fetch water. then the "nozaku zaku"elders will go and inform the family. If the family agrees (which is  usually the case), the nozaku zaku comes and inform the grooms family. They go and buy "amajeremane", dress the gel. the gel would sleep with the eldery women until she gets her periods (just to confirm that she isnt already pregnant", after that then the groom get permission. So if things are done properly, no rape and parental consent is achieved, (which is legal case for under 18's).

makisto
10 Nov 2010 14:09

The neighbour invited my sister to fetch water to the river then the bastards came and thwalad her. My father went straightto the guys' home, carrying iqgudu. You couldn't mess with him coz he knew how to mura umntu. 

Good, this is what parents should do. He was a great father. May his soull rest in peace indeed, Myname.

One and Only
10 Nov 2010 14:16

I was asking for advantages of such culture so we can ascertain whether it's still worth doing it or not. 

There are so many cultures which I'm supposed to perform but I don't anymore because they don't add value and have a meaning to me. I can't just say this is my culture so I'm gonna do it.

Let's wait and see if amaZulu will embrace circumcision as per King Zwelithini because as far as I know he is not the king of amaZulu but a king yakwaZulu (surname). 

Lets wait and see if some of you will be tolerant if this thing hits home since it's your culture.

realist
10 Nov 2010 14:27

Pictures of young girls making their way to school were shown and as a 25-year old father, all I could see was mere toddlers trying to get an education. But for horny bastards of over 35 in Lusikisiki, all they see in these young girls are wives whom will fulfil their sexual fantasies. 
Makisto, even if he was a 25 year old he is still a bastard.
 
Now if these women are under age to be thwalad then the minister of everything except Men should get involved and make this thing illegal. Culture of nie culture it is illegal to thwala a girl who is under age. 

The problem with us is that we tolerate this kind of nonsense because it is our culture. Personally I feel the police or some NGO should get involved and arrest those bastard.

makisto
10 Nov 2010 14:43

even if he was a 25 year old he is still a bastard
I was just trying to see the matter from a 25-year old since I'm 25 and so it meant those 35-year old men do know it is wrong because I as a 25-year old can see it is wrong. Even those little girls agree it is wrong. I agree with what you are saying Realist.

Ingenuity
11 Nov 2010 06:53

My take is that, noone be it man, woman or child should be forced to do anything against their will, culture or no culture. The fact of the matter is that, nowadays people are abusing other people and turn around and say that it is culture. This whole thing is wrong, whether it is done right or not, there is no what, if or maybe about it. We have one of the best constitutions if not the best constitution in the world where people's rights are explicitly protected in the bill of rights, and people should stop living in the stone ages and come to terms with the fact that most of the practices which we call culture are inhumane, degrading and just morally/ethically wrong. Yerrr, I was so pissed off when that guy was saying that you can't it is his culture and noone can change it. The gusy should be arrested and put in jail and become some man's wife and see how he likes that! The last time I checked, rape, abduction or kidnapping was a crime, unless I missed a memo which stopped making it so. The fact is, noone, and I mean absolutely nobody should be subjected to this; whether young or old. Don't get me started on that woman, if she was sitting anywhere naxt to me, I think I would have throttled her.

pele
11 Nov 2010 07:26

The reason I said this ukuthwala business is just the same as circumcision is because the minute I saw this article I was immediately reminded of an article that Phathu did on JustCurious about this circumcision and people jumped to being all defensive about that culture without st....

Would I be wrong to compare this tradition to that of circumcision?? This is some people's culture.. they believe in it and it has worked for them in the past. It is just that these days the people who are doing it are not following

So it’s the same thing with this ukuthwala tradition.

i did'nt know that know that we wer debating about Phathu's JC article now,  so i should have  shut my mouth up as you have answers already mos for yourself.

Minah
11 Nov 2010 08:08

Culture Culture Culture My Foot Man.
Young girls are becoming wives - Excuse Culture
Small Boys are dying at the mountains - Excuse Culture
Man are sleeping around and pay R1000 for lobola - Excuse Culture
Man are sleeping with children as young as 12 - Excuse Culture

Ok I printed this yesterday cause I did not get a chance to read it during the day. After reading I looked at my daughter who is 12 and I was reminding her to do homework bathong this morning I woke her up to bath I remind her to brush the teeth I force her to have the kellogs in the morning I wait with her at the gate for her transport to pick her up to school. And some idiots in Lusikisiki think she can be a wife material and bare kids she is not even on her damn periods batho ba Modimo. Some old stupid aunties still thinks a child like her can be a wife comeone South Africa Come On a re tsoheng hle.

If we want to practice culture let us take part in traditional dances 
Can we sit with the children like in those days where a neighbour will tell us ditori tsa dipoko 
Can we sit around the fire and play black mampatile damn I miss those days

makisto
11 Nov 2010 09:08

If we want to practice culture let us take part in traditional dances
Can we sit with the children like in those days where a neighbour will tell us ditori tsa dipoko

Can we sit around the fire and play black mampatile damn I miss those days
Thank you Minah, this is what African culture is. Not this Lusikisiki nonsense.

 You know I have a 12 year old niece whom when she was born, she and I were always together, I would fetch her at creche, go to church with her, go to town just the two of us. Other kids even thought she is my daughter. Now we go to the movies together, we do the whole wipmy thing together and I only look at her a little girl whom I used to carry in my arms when taking her to creche, now when I want to pick her up she refuses because she thinks she is old, but to me, she will always be the little girl I used to carry to church. Sometimes when electricity is off, I would tel her all the fairy tales I know.

Thinking that some old men who is older than me will look at her as a wife, I will blacksem him.
Mpotje Minah gore that child whom you are still teaching to always eat breakfast, do homework, take a bath and many other things including how to wash dishes after school is old enough  to be a daughter. That's bullsh*t I'm telling you. It really makes me so angry. Those poor girls in Lusikisiki...

Minah
11 Nov 2010 09:18

Eish Makisto matlakala a culture tsek man and hey are you writing something about Tiro

Favoured
11 Nov 2010 10:58

jerrr this is a sick culture mxm

nicole_s
12 May 2011 15:10

Hi! I am researching the custom of ukuthwala for school. I want to compare western values vs african values. I am looking to speak with women, men or anyone else who has come into contact with ukuthwala practices! Please let me know if you would like to chat. :) My email is soucien@uwindsor.ca


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