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Is IDOLS A Racist Concept?

Written by mjj from the blog Music on TV : Music Lounge on 26 Feb 2009
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Is IDOLS a racist concept?

idols1Thuba

The question of racism has been raised again after 2 “black” contestants were eliminated from the Top 14. For the past 4 seasons of idols, the judges’ votes and the viewers’ votes were split equally (50:50). But as of this year, the viewers are solely responsible on who becomes the next South African Idol. The judge’s role this year is to smile, act as if they don’t like each other or pretend as if they are listening when the contestant sing….. Yesterday The Times had an article about the elimination of Thuba and Thabs from the Top 14.

I just knew that the decision for the judges not to have a say on who makes it to the top 10 was going to backfire for some demographics........this was my initial reaction when I first heard that the Judges won’t have a say on who becomes the 5th South African Idols.
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Mara Louw was quoted on The Times saying:
Following the elimination of Rethabile “Thabs” Kgoroeadira and Thubalethu Myeki from M-Net’s show on Monday night, Mara Louw said black contestants were at a distinct disadvantage. She said black contestants received fewer votes than whites because they received insufficient support from traditionally black radio stations and newspapers.It is not a racial thing, but in this competition, unfortunately the white people seem to vote more than the black people.” “But after they were both eliminated on Monday, I cried, thinking what talent they had and how they did not have the platform to rally for people to vote for them because they are not getting as many interviews in the black press as others are getting on white stations.”

A fellow blogger Vesa had this to say: Gareth was talking about this on his show this morning, he thinks people are not voting based on talent but on popularity...and he even said that he thought Thabs & Thuba were better than some of the people that are still there!

Another blogger mentioned in another blog that, 2/4 IDOL winners were black? So why is everyone (including myself) making an issue about race/idols/mnet????? Will get back to this question later.

I had a pleasure of speaking (over the phone) to Thuba and Thabs who were both eliminated on Monday evening. I was not really interviewing them about the racist comments/issue being raised by the media and the public; I just wanted to speak to them, seeing they were my fav contestants.

Thuba – I called him the “Mzoxolo” of Idols

Thuba2

Mjj: now that your short journey on IDOLS is over what do you plan to do?
Thuba: I’m hoping to work in Theatre and do anything related to music.
MJJ: next year?
Thuba: I plan to study Music at AFDA in JHB.

MJJ: How was being part of the show, who was your best friend, and who fought with whom?
Thuba: There were no fights, I liked everyone, and I was also very close to Ntsepa, Thembi, and Sasha-Lee. It was nice meeting new people, I love singing and it was nice to be surrounded by people who love music.

Mjj: At your audition Randal was clapping for you, was he being sarcastic or was he happy at your performance?
Thuba: Mara cried, did you see that?
Mjj: Nope, answer my question?
Thuba: He was happy, Randal is not a bad guy, and he is a human being.

Mjj
: Talking about the judges, were you happy at hearing that they would have no votes in the competition?
Thuba: I was actually shocked.
Mjj: Especially considering the fact that most black people have no access to DSTV. It’s worse for people like you who come from outside Gauteng where you can’t even canvas to your community to make sure they keep you in the competition?
Thuba: I really didn’t like the notion of judges not having a say on the matter, because people don’t necessarily vote for the best singer, they vote for whom they like. But we were told the judges won’t have a say on who progress to the subsequent stages of the competition.

Mjj
: and in this case, the public happen to like a different race than yours? (I know I was putting words in his mouth)
Thuba: Ja, the public will vote based on personality and not necessarily on talent.
Mjj: Are you bitter at the process?
Thuba: No….
Mjj: Would you call the process racist?
Thuba: Not at all.

My interview with THUBA was kind of boring on paper (but it was actually interesting to talk to him) and I hope when he makes it big he will remember that “I” not “IDOLS” gave him publicity…..lol…Thuba my brother, hola at your boy when you come to Jozi again……You know boss you have talent and I wish you all the best in your future endeavours.

After trying to get hold of her without success, she managed to buzz me….and when I called her back the phone was on voicemail…and she was singing…..I dropped the phone imm….I then tried again later…..

idols3

Mjj
: Phone ringing…
Thabs: Hallo
Mjj: Yippe you answered and it’s not your voicemail...boy am I glad.
Mjj: This was your third time entering idols?
Thabs: yes it was my third time, the first 2 times I didn’t even see the judges…..
Mjj: How come?
Thabs: Before you actually see the judges you have to go through 2 rounds of auditions. The first 2 rounds are done by the producers.

Mjj
: What? That’s news to me….. Are you trying to tell me that, the people that can’t sing are actually auditioned for entertainment?
Thabs: Oh yes, its all for entertainment…

Meaning the lady who sang killing me softly with a remix and kwasa kwasa was actually paid to do that…..

Mjj
: I wonder what else is false about this show???
Mjj: SO what are you doing now?
Thabs: I’m trying to record and hopefully someone will give me an opportunity.

Mjj
: I believe you were on Omo, Uno and Sparletta ads???
Thabs: Yes I did those ads, it was nice…..
Mjj: so how was being part of the top 14?
Thabs: Lovely, grateful, nice food (blacks and food), no competition amongst the group (me rolling my eyes) and we stayed at a nice hotel...

Thabs was quoted in The Times saying: Cameron Bruce and other contestants had more advantages over us as some scored interviews with [Gauteng radio stations] Jacaranda FM and 94.7 Highveld Stereo. W e black competitors don’t get that support from black radio stations like Kaya FM or Metro FM, meaning we don’t have a platform to rally people to vote for us,” she said.

Mjj: so did others get publicity?
Thabs: Yes they did
Mjj: Why them?
Thabs: You see the radio stations that are media partners wanted to interview certain people? They wanted to give publicity to the individuals selected
Mjj: Most of these stations are predominantly white stations?
Thabs: Yes they are Afrikaans stations

Mjj:
Surely they won’t want to interview the likes of you and Thuba. SO if you were interviewed on Yfm, most probably you would have not been eliminated?
Thabs: I’m sure if the Yfm listeners knew about me, they would have voted…You c, blacks didn’t stand a chance because most of the stations part of idols are Afrikaans stations.

Mjj
: Mara was gyrating when you performed Amy’s song….Do you think she’s auditioning for her next gig or she was genuine excited about your performance?
Thuba: I think she’s sincere….and I’m grateful at the comments of the judges….
Mjj: It was nice talking to you, all the best on your future…..Eish I wanted to tell her that her Model C access kills me softly….but I didn’t have the guts……

Obviously I didn’t write down everything I talked about with Thuba and Thabs

Mara2

Renegade
- What I'm saying is that Idols does not provide a platform for all the contestant to be on the same par...period. A show on DSTV does not have a SA viewership, it has a white majority viewership, and we all know that, and we knew that even before the show started, and that's how we know that next week it's the other two blacks going out, although after this outcry, i'm sure there'll be fiddling with the votes(but that's another can of worms).

I have to agree with Renegade. This is really not about BEING RACIST and I actually think the reason for these 2 to be eliminated was because their audience does not have access to DSTV compounded by the fact non of the blacks were interviewed by media partners of the show (according to the papers and Thabs)…..

I think Mnet should make sure that its media partners represents the true demographics of our society…in fact it should represent all the demographics of the children entering idols…..else there’s no hope of any black child making it to the Top3 if the judges are to be exempted in choosing the Top 3…..The truth of the matter is that Thabs and Thuba’s friends and fans don't  have access to MNET…..and its worse now, because Open Time is no longer available.



69 Comments

mjj
25 Feb 2009 22:16

The Times article - http://www.thetimes.co.za/News/Article.aspx?id=946442

I really liked Thuba and Thabs.....it was so sad to see them exit so early in the competition.....

Segololo
25 Feb 2009 22:21

I am dishless, my friendo! so I can't comment much... That killing me softly chick killed me... I am a regular on the web just for her... thanks for the article...

mjj
25 Feb 2009 22:23

Segololo - i was hoping you were just boycotting the show because of Princess and Prince.......kanti you are dishless?

Segololo
25 Feb 2009 22:25

yep, dishless as dishy can be... no toyi-toyi!! Don't you wanna do theater one of these days, friend? mail me, neh?

mjj
25 Feb 2009 22:38

theater???? Ok....i'll email you

Paralyzer
25 Feb 2009 22:38

Fully agree! My biggest problem are these so called media partners, why are they allowed to only interview certain people??? It should be all or nothing! Even if they did appear on yfm, it probably wudnt hav made a difference!

Cande
25 Feb 2009 22:43

heheheh that explains you watching Khumbulekhaya & Speak out.LOL!!!
Sekotlele sa gago se kae mosadi??

IDOLS, angazi

Paralyzer
25 Feb 2009 22:57

What do u mean dishless? Credit crunch? I just spent an hr tryin to sort out finances, i even hav a headache nw, tsk tsk!

mjj
25 Feb 2009 23:16

Shame no wonder she doesn't even know the names of the contestants....

mjj
25 Feb 2009 23:35

If it was not for the judges vote i don;t think Karen(Season 3 winner) would have even made it to the Top 10......talking about Karen, where is she?

Foxxy
26 Feb 2009 00:28

Even if those two were shown on sabc 1 during generatins i don't think it would have much of a difference.
What use is publicity to people who don't watch the show?

Foxxy
26 Feb 2009 00:32

Spotted Karen in a weave shop in Cape Town last year. She was looking a bit drab.

Tashi
26 Feb 2009 01:43

Fully agree paralyzer, it's shocking !! - if a radio station's going to be covering the show as an official media partner they should have to give every contestant an equal opportunity of on-air time. It should be essential to the official arrangement of the partnership!

Tashi
26 Feb 2009 01:46

Sorry, got so carried away I forgot about Karen - spotted her at Kenilworth Centre shortly after her boyfriend-murder fiacso and didn't go up to talk to her ';cos all I would have done would have been to rant  "Why didn't you dump him immediately you won??" - which I didn't think would help her situation at the time.

Paralyzer
26 Feb 2009 06:20

Definetly agree on karen which is the problem coz she's nt selling...the judges were fully behind karen and nw these days they tell people they nt popstar material?? They shud just make up their minds!!

cool one
26 Feb 2009 07:51

Black people don't vote that is the problem. Do you guy remember Tender, that girl can sing the problem was with the voting and not many people has access to dstv.

Cape Hustlaz
26 Feb 2009 07:55

Renegade - What I'm saying is that Idols does not provide a platform for all the contestant to be on the same par...period. A show on DSTV does not have a SA viewership, it has a white majority viewership, and we all know that, and we knew that even before the show started, and that's how we know that next week it's the other two blacks going out, although after this outcry, i'm sure there'll be fiddling with the votes(but that's another can of worms).

Good observation,i have noticed this since!

ngwana
26 Feb 2009 08:33

It pisses me of that people like that Killing me softly chick are put through to round 3 just so that the can make fools of themselves for our entertainment.
They get there thinking that they can actually sing.

The black contestants are will be eliminated every week cause they wont get votes like Graham or Cameron.
Cameron has Highveld's RAW team supporting him and telling their listeners to vote for him.


monchooza
26 Feb 2009 08:47

Only after they were eliminated (Thula and Thabs) did they get an interview on  94.7....
Anyway I also dont watch the show...I watch mzansi fo sho(dishless)

mjj
26 Feb 2009 08:52

True Ngwana, I was shocked when Thabs told me that the radio stations pick who will they support..... I really wrote the article to cheer up Thabs and Thubs but when I read these publicity issues I was shocked....I'm to people voting for talent not race, hence I agree with Gareth that Thabs and Thuba were not the worst performers on the day.....

goldii
26 Feb 2009 08:54

Mjj  can you explain to me how media partners are chosen for such shows/ what are the requiments etc.......... please if you know.


mjj
26 Feb 2009 08:55

True Monchooza, maybe it's their way of saying 'thanks for wasting your time, we told you that our Camaron will win'

Lahvee
26 Feb 2009 09:01

Idols can stop this negative press about them by bringing back OPEN TIME, atleast that way everyone who wants to be part of it can watch. Even though there are many satelite dishes ekasi lately, I bet mostly are for the COMPACT option, meaning no MNET! 

The radio station that should be a partner is KayaFm/ YFM - coz we all know they will not use METRO (SABC vs MNET) - that way the competition can be see to be FREE AND FAIR! Eish but then again - Kaya or Y would only interview Black & Coloured contestants - it will look look too black and white, which is what they are probably trying to avoid...

eish...inzima lendaba!

Sana Lwam
26 Feb 2009 09:04

Shame to think that Thuba waited to be a "ndoda" first before entering and now he is out.

Strolicious
26 Feb 2009 09:07

Idols are for white ppl,,,,pop stars were for blacks.....cant wait to go home so i can also comment freely,i will be watching da whole weekend..

nice
26 Feb 2009 09:07

It wont matter if they interview them on Metro/ y-fm/ kaya or Ukhozi for that matter. if I dont see them "doing their own thing" I wont even bother voting . I wont even know who they are when they are getting interviewed.

Shows like SCD, IWTSG and SYTYCD were popular and fair because we get to watch them perform and even if other races / people (there was no race competition with Mzo and Lungisani) have better means of voting we know that it was fair.

I was shocked to hear that there is "SA Idols" when I went to stay in Nam for a while, and because my employer was paying for the room I had M-net and got to see Karen and Gift, other than that I would have not known about it. I came back to my country and being dishless (thanks Sego) means I dont take an interest in the show.

Nayo i-SABC must bring back pop-stars so we can have a music show to be excited about.

blueroze
26 Feb 2009 09:07

Mara's smiling pic....joh!

Vesa
26 Feb 2009 09:10

Thabs was quoted in The Times saying: Cameron Bruce and other contestants had more advantages over us as some scored interviews with [Gauteng radio stations] Jacaranda FM and 94.7 Highveld Stereo. W e black competitors don’t get that support from black radio stations like Kaya FM or Metro FM, meaning we don’t have a platform to rally people to vote for us,” she said.
This is true....94.7 had Cameron for more than an hour on the Rude awakening show  last week. The station has chosen him as their favourite candidate that they will support for this edition of idols.....and it really got me thinking about the chances black contestants stood...

Cande
26 Feb 2009 09:24

Nayo i-SABC must bring back pop-stars so we can have a music show to be excited about.>>>True this

mjj
26 Feb 2009 10:02

I'll find out about how the media partners are selected

goldii
26 Feb 2009 10:15

Thanx

awelani
26 Feb 2009 10:22

she managed to buzz me…. RECESSION!!!!!!!!!!! LOL
when I called her back the phone was on voicemail…and she was singing....Such a diva..lol

myname
26 Feb 2009 10:39

Vele ke phofu why they stopped broadcasting this show kwi SABC 3 if it was (i cant remember which channel) but what i know we used to watch Idols before 

90% of blacks dont own indish (including Me, myself & i)

Khafo
26 Feb 2009 10:43

The lady who sang killing me softly with a remix and kwasa kwasa....................I was like *my mouth wide open*

Renegade
26 Feb 2009 12:02

Great article MJJ. 

I'm worried about this 2 auditions first thing. I've heard a number of the contestants mentioning it, and it just makes idol an even greater fake. 

Black people don't vote that is the problem.

At the end of the day, maybe it's true that black people don't vote, but let's allow them the option...plain and simple. And remember, sometimes it really is a matter of not being able to afford those sms. Phela for your vote to make an impact, you have to send in a number of sms, and they are not charged at standard rates. 

Idols can stop this negative press about them by bringing back OPEN TIME, atleast that way everyone who wants to be part of it can watch. Even though there are many satelite dishes ekasi lately, I bet mostly are for the COMPACT option, meaning no MNET! 

You make a good point Lahvee, that's really probably their best bet.

Boodah
26 Feb 2009 15:20

Blame the white okes if you want but let's be honest - Any show on SABC where votes determine the winner will result in black contestants winning.

I was not surprised to see the City Ses'la Awards where SABC shows took everything. Compare the quality of the shows there with e-tv or M-net shows and u'll see the difference in quality.

Not only this - some of us won't phone in or SMS to these premium numbers because we know they make lots of money from that. Give us an internet option and we'll vote. Asinamali thina.

Ohh by the way I believe dat  Mixxit was involved when the black winners emerged victorious.

maddie
26 Feb 2009 15:25

These are the very same people who always complain on their political Zuma blogs that we blacks vote with the heart not the mind, talk about double standards.

Cande
26 Feb 2009 15:30

LOL@MAddie

nice
26 Feb 2009 15:56

Any show on SABC where votes determine the winner will result in black contestants winning. 

Boodah, do you watch SCD? did you watch SYTYCD, even though the winner was a coloured girl but she deserved it..

TheLady
26 Feb 2009 16:07

blacks vote-ask Lungisani Ntuli

mjj
26 Feb 2009 16:14

Thanks Nice for the correction....I think the point is all the contestants should be treated fairly.....

To have a radio station supporting 1 individual is not cool...irrespective of the person's colour.......

Getting back to IDOLS....where is the girl that won on Season 2, and where is Karen?

Dimago
26 Feb 2009 16:42

Getting back to IDOLS....where is the girl that won on Season 2, and where is Karen?
Hau mjiza, u dont read replies on your blog?
Reply from: Foxxy 2/26/2009 6:32:19 AM
Spotted Karen in a weave shop in Cape Town last year. She was looking a bit drab.


Reply from: Tashi 2/26/2009 7:46:39 AM
Sorry, got so carried away I forgot about Karen - spotted her at Kenilworth Centre shortly after her boyfriend-murder fiacso and didn't go up to talk to her ';cos all I would have done would have been to rant "Why didn't you dump him immediately you won??" - which I didn't think would help her situation at the time.

Segololo
26 Feb 2009 16:47

Bathong! Poseletso ene o ko kae? Where is Poseletso? I have heard a couple of Anke songs... liked them

Renegade
26 Feb 2009 16:53

Any show on SABC where votes determine the winner will result in black contestants winning

Not necessarily. Put the show on SABC 3 then if you are so sure about that. Even better, bring back open time, then we can talk sense

Paralyzer
26 Feb 2009 16:59

U liked anke??he he. True, sego, where is poseletso???? But guys, if the winners struggle to make it, then there's nothing to say bout the others!

Toxic
26 Feb 2009 17:07

I have been struggling to post a response that best articulates my feelings on this matter. Eish i am still strugglin.

kiki X
27 Feb 2009 10:04

Its a pity, thats all i can say.

Sana Lwam
27 Feb 2009 10:10

Talking about Poseletso...I remember Mara used to say "Pose Pose" and she would say with a huge smile "Mama"

Shame I wonder where she is.

mjj
27 Feb 2009 10:14

the last i heard of her, she was moving to Jozi and was going to stay with Mara.....That was donky years ago......I wonder if she ever finished her Matric....

shazie
27 Feb 2009 11:14

yebo! sabc please bring back coca cola pop stars...or have search 4 a afro pop star.. or a sa version of making the band with diddy..but here it would be making the band with usbu leope!

shazie
27 Feb 2009 11:15

mjj qustion the sabc abt weather theyl have anouther reality show like pop stars again

mjj
27 Feb 2009 12:04

cmparing my father Diddy to Sbu is really an insult shazie....lol

The last i heard, Pop stars was coming back this year on Fo Sho......i think it will still be hosted by Nkanyiso Bhengu(from JC).....not sure about his surname....

Pooky
27 Feb 2009 12:31

yazi wena Mjj wazi yonke into ndiyakuncoma..........i want to move to JHB and start afresh...can i crash  with you Mjj mkhaya till ndibe grand?? lol......ndifuna uhamba apha eKapa....

awelani
27 Feb 2009 12:37

LOL @ mjj

sibuuu
27 Feb 2009 15:14

I dont think black ppl wants to take out their fones and vote, re stingy we dont wana vote.  DSTV is not a problem we have it and some black ppl listen to jacaranda,

Luksta
27 Feb 2009 15:32

Bathong! Poseletso ene o ko kae? Where is Poseletso?
The last time I saw her, she was backing uRingo together with uSiphokazi in that Ringo Live 2 DVD

mjj
27 Feb 2009 15:36

Hayi Hayi Hayi Pooky, andibafuni nokubabona abantu baseKapa including my family.......nithakatha too much.....lol

I'l be in cpt next week....eish i hope i'll have time to visit Mzoli's

Dee
27 Feb 2009 16:51

"Meaning the lady who sang killing me softly with a remix and kwasa kwasa was actually paid to do that….."

I dont think that lady was paid, I just think they let them go through for entertainment purposes. You could see after 'delivering' her stunning performance she sincerely looked at the judges anticipating an answer.....banesono kodwa sheim!!!!!

Jacpre
27 Feb 2009 17:29

First off I want to say that I'm not racist and there's a few good black contestants. Would it still be considered racist if two white people were voted off? I don't think so. To be honest Thuba didn't sound to good and I couldn't believe that he even made the Top 14 as there was much better contestants.

mjj
27 Feb 2009 17:46

You are not racist Jacpre......its your opinion.......

Cnglemother
27 Feb 2009 19:46

Mayb idols is only reality show that whites still feel they have ownership of, this reminds of bigbrada SA1 when whites still ruled big brother.i've made peace with idols as i also vote according to skin colour i would feel very guilty spending my airtime on a white contestant.

Teeza
27 Feb 2009 20:03

MJJ: Ungowase Kapa?? Spent 18 months of my life there. Luuved it but strange enough couldn't wait to leave.

mjj
27 Feb 2009 22:07

yebo Teeza....ndiligoduka lase Koloni

Jacpre
28 Feb 2009 07:34

I will vote for any contestant no matter what the skin colour is. If i feel they can sing and deserve to be there I will vote for them. I believe in equel oppertunity.

CopyCat
02 Mar 2009 16:58

I'm an Afrikaans Whitie in South Africa without Mnet or a Dish and I do agree with everyone it's wrong for the radio stations to support only 1 contestant.
Thabs said in the interview that Jacaranda and Highveld are Afrikaans stations.
Highveld is definitely Not an Afrikaans station (They are not even allowed to play Afrikaans music) and they are always trying to be more diverse with their presenters (Bongani, Pabi, Carol, Sfisso, Sammy, Sydney, Sebolelo and so on) so I'm really surprised at their behavior.

When Idols (Season 3) was still on Open Time I made a point of it to support the most talented Idol Who happened to be a black guy - Gift Gwe) just to show everyone that not all the Afrikaans white South Africans will vote according to skin colour but for talent. I spend hours doing publicity for Gift and run his Blog that you can still check out - http://giftgwe.blogspot.com/.

Other black contestants like Zamo Jobe (In Idols Season 1 top 10 her Surname was then Zama Sithole ) was actually the most successful Idol to date winning lost of SAMA's. So even if the black guys don't win the title of Idols if they have talent they will make it further than the actual white winners.

Cnglemother
02 Mar 2009 17:39

Guys go and check out hellopeter, masses bitching about Liezel's accent and her poor Ingrish.i didnt even notice she said long heels lol!

mjj
02 Mar 2009 19:20

Hi CopyCat.....

mjj
02 Mar 2009 19:33

CopyCat...who is your fav in the Top 10?

CopyCat
03 Mar 2009 10:47

mjj, I don't have MNEt OR dISH (Stuck with SABC) so even though I always used to follow Idols I can't anymore (sad) so I don't even know who is in the top 10 this year


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