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RIP: Bad Boy Muammar Gaddafi is dead

Written by makisto from the blog Frankly Speaking on 21 Oct 2011
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Warning: Some of the pictures may upset sensitive bloggers.

He is gone, see him no more! You will never encounter your oppressor again. Yes Libyans, Muammar Muhammad Abu Minyar al-Gaddafi is dead. The world has seen you suffer under his rule for over 42 years and was afraid to do anything.

Gaddafi and Madiba
Madiba and Gaddafi

Muammar Gaddafi's dictating ways came to an ubrupt and bloody end on Thurday 20 October when rebels captured and killed him.

You  know I wonder why Gaddafi didn't wanna hand himself over to the International Court for trial or just transfer power in a peaceful way like South Africa did during the time of F W de Klerk and Nelson Mandela. Now see what happened to you? You are dead Jo!

Gaddafi and Obama
Gaddafi and Obama

Was clinging on the dictatorship throne really that important such that you would rather die than transfer power to a new generation of leaders?

Yazi some of my Facebook and BBM buddies went on and on about how they are sad about Gaddafi's death. Ok, some of their sympathising with him is kind like understandable. Some spoke about how Gaddafi helped SA assylum seekers during the tumultous times of apartheid South Africa. Be that as it may, starting out as a possible good boy and ending as a bad boy aint of any good for one's future and prospects!

Gaddafi death
An almost lifeless body of Gaddafi is a dream picture of any aspiring photographer

But ke, let's look at the times and life of the fallen dictator.

The late Muammar Gaddafi was born on 7 June 1942 at the coastal city of Sirte. He attended the Lybian Military Academy in Benghazi and graduated there. 

At age 27, he staged a coup d'etat on the monarchy of King Idris I  in September 1969. 

To date, Gaddafi is North African countries' longest-serving autocrat. 

Gaddafi bleeding
Bloody end: The last moments of an autocratic's life in the world of the living

Early during his regime, Gaddafi and his relatives took over much of the economy. He started several wars and acquired chemical weapons. Gaddafi also supplied weapons to the Provisional Irish Republican Army, a listed terrorist organisation in the United Kingdom and other countries (Wikipedia.org, 2011).

In February 2011, following revolutions in neighbouring Egypt and Tunisia, protests against Gaddafi's rule began. These escalated into an uprising that spread across the country, with the forces opposing Gaddafi establishing a government based in Benghazi named the National Transitional Council (NTC). This led to the 2011 Libyan Civil War, which included a military intervention by a NATO-led coalition to enforce a UN Security Council Resolution 1973 calling for a no-fly zone and protection of civilians in Libya. (Wikiepedia.org)

Gaddafi killed
Final scenes: Muammar Gaddafi's part in the story of life is over.

Gaddafi was yesterday captured and shot and it is believed head and chest gunshot wounds led to his death. He was rushed to hospital where he was confirmed dead upon arrival.

Some video footages shot on low-res camera phones, show Gaddafi being shot and some stills from the ambulance show he was still alive at the time of him being rushed to hospital.

Libyans celebrating
New beginning: Libyans are celebrating the death of Gaddafi. Little do they know a huge task of forming a democratic government awaits them.

Moving closer to home, we hope another dictator called Robert Mugabe learns something from the Libyan war. Le teng, the Zimbabweans need to start their own revolution to topple him. Akere they may possibly have his wife Grace's and her boyfriend's - who is Mugabe's Financial Minister or adviser or whatever - blessings.

Though Gaddafi was never associated with peace, may his soul Rest In Peace!




93 Comments

Anol@
21 Oct 2011 10:34

Where the pics at Maki??

He was not much of a looker, but I still wanna see him ( in good times )

makisto
21 Oct 2011 10:39

lol the pics are right up there lol

Anol@
21 Oct 2011 10:44

Whoa!!! Not the pictures I was expecting. 

Yazi some of my Facebook and BBM buddies went on and on about how they are sad about Gaddafi's death - I also sympathize. I don't like the fact that he died. But then he obviously did not care about the 25000 plus civilians who died during this civil war, because he was too selfish and power hungry!

Anol@
21 Oct 2011 10:49

lol the pics are right up there lol - (( I only saw the pics after I posted the comment. ))

Mrs Chix
21 Oct 2011 10:50

Sorry to say this but next in line shld be Mugabe

Minah
21 Oct 2011 10:50

Zimbabweans should learn a thing or two from the Libyans and get rid of Mugabe

swazzy
21 Oct 2011 10:51

I dnt believe his dead nor is osama dead.. These people are fooling us this is all part of the new world order

Yayamedia
21 Oct 2011 10:58

IMNKILE INJA MADODA!! But i dont thnk umphefumlo wakhe uzoyofika ezulwini coz ayifunwa nanguSathana lanto.

Minah
21 Oct 2011 11:48

Just received this email :
Now let us get to the unknown facts about the Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi:

1. There is no electricity bill in Libya; electricity is free for all its citizens.
2. There is no interest on loans, banks in Libya are state-owned and loans given to all its citizens at 0% interest by law.
3. Home considered a human right in Libya – Gaddafi vowed that his parents would not get a house until everyone in Libya had a home. Gaddafi’s father has died while him, his wife and his mother are still living in a tent.
4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family.
5. Education and medical treatments are free in Libya. Before Gaddafi only 25% of Libyans are literate. Today the figure is 83%.
6. Should Libyans want to take up farming career, they would receive farming land, a farming house, equipments, seeds and livestock to kick-start their farms – all for free.
7. If Libyans cannot find the education or medical facilities they need in Libya, the government funds them to go abroad for it – not only free but they get US$2,300/mth accommodation and car allowance.
8. In Libyan, if a Libyan buys a car, the government subsidized 50% of the price.
9. The price of petrol in Libya is $0.14 per liter.
10. Libya has no external debt and its reserves amount to $150 billion – now frozen globally.
Great Man-Made River project in Libya… $27 billion
11. If a Libyan is unable to get employment after graduation the state would pay the average salary of the profession as if he or she is employed until employment is found.
12. A portion of Libyan oil sale is, credited directly to the bank accounts of all Libyan citizens.
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000
14. 40 loaves of bread in Libya costs $ 0.15
15. 25% of Libyans have a university degree
16. Gaddafi carried out the world’s largest irrigation project, known as the Great Man-Made River project, to make water readily available throughout the desert country.
Which other dictator has done much good to his people besides

SharpShooter
21 Oct 2011 11:58

#DeathByGaddafi

makisto
21 Oct 2011 12:11

Tjo Minah, those "facts" there sound very far fetched. lemme run to google and I will be back

blueroze
21 Oct 2011 12:15

@Minah do you believe all of things you've pasted? #icomeinpeace

makisto
21 Oct 2011 12:17

Back from google, those 16 points there are very true and valid.

However Minah, giving people all sort of things and still subject them to war aint on and cannot justify killing them.

Let's look at this: An emotionally and physically abusive man will buy his wife flowers, jewellary, give her money, buy her everything she needs but that doesn't mean the woman is happy in that kind of marriage. #JustSaying

Minah
21 Oct 2011 12:20

I was on google as we it is so unbelievable but yeah money cannot buy love and respect.
Let's look at this: An emotionally and physically abusive man will buy his wife flowers, jewellary, give her money, buy her everything she needs but that doesn't mean the woman is happy in that kind of marriage.
I agree Makisto

makisto
21 Oct 2011 12:20

@Minah do you believe all of things you've pasted? #icomeinpeace
Those things are all over the internet Blueroze and it also made me question their validity a bit. I sort of don't believe them

Ntlewame2
21 Oct 2011 12:25

as usual will read comments later....

AFRICA UNITE........AFRICA LOVE YOURSELF...AFRICA HAVE PRIDE IN WHAT YOU HAVE.....

Because of lack of love amongst us Africans- we oppress/dont support each other
Because of lack of love for ourselves            -we undermine others/ourselves
Because of lack of pride in what we have       -its easy for us not to hold on to what   we have/enlarge it to leave sound legacies

Leaders,(dictators etc )are made by people.......because of the above.......we can determine what kind of a leader we want
Fighting for a good purpose can turn sour if one succeed without support
one tends to think they own the project(idea;etc)
They will do anything to protect it.........(they feel no one else understand how the project came about/how they fought to achieve )
take Apple/Facebook.........the founders owned the idea (till death)

You may want to say governing the country/leading people is diff......but its the same..........what sacrificies did those people make...........

not that i condone killing of people,,,,,,,,just trying to figure out what makes a dictator

Slondy
21 Oct 2011 12:28

he may be whatever he was...... but don't  like the way he died - thanks Makisto for the article 

makisto
21 Oct 2011 12:37

he may be whatever he was......but don't like the way he died - thanks Makisto for the article
Thank you Slondy. I think there is a saying that goes: You live by the sword, you die by the sword

Ntlewame2
21 Oct 2011 12:50

we can have a dictator right here on TVSA
Right there in your office
Right there in your house
neighboughood;church; clan;village;classroom................

We allow bullies by cheering for them and glorifying them even when they are hurting others;by being scared of them;by not knowing what they do & allowing them to do things for us.....while we sit back/claim ignorance
goes back to loving oneself

Moola
21 Oct 2011 13:10

4. All newlyweds in Libya receive $60,000 Dinar (US$50,000) by the government to buy their first apartment so to help start up the family
13. A mother who gave birth to a child receive US$5,000


O_O hi hi hi can you imagine what would happen in SA if there was a law like that lol.... just thinking about the grant ques

Moola
21 Oct 2011 13:12

His wife in a Tent------- O_O

TerryN
21 Oct 2011 13:55

#deathby twitter trending topic yesterday "#gaddafilastwordsbeforecapture"
tjo! people had killer lines....i tell ya.

qaqamba
21 Oct 2011 14:00

i dont trust this, will believe when  i see him inside his  coffin,

Green.arrow
21 Oct 2011 14:34

Thanx Makisto. The jury on His ideology, and 'The west's intentions , is still out there for me. I'm skeptical both ways.

dreamzzz
21 Oct 2011 14:46

Gadaffi is gone,who is next?ayeye Mugabe.

Green.arrow
21 Oct 2011 14:49

This whole Gadaffi, his family and Loyalist manhunt....the capturing, murders of some, surrenders of some etc, as gruesome as it all is...is somewhat reminiscent of those wars in the Bible. From the times of Saul, through David, and Isaiah...Israel vs your Syrians etc... How victory on both sides included capturing and ensalving the other's people and often, coming back with the King's head. Its sad that in the 21st century, there is room for such primitive ways of doing things.

makisto
21 Oct 2011 14:53

Its sad that in the 21st century, there is room for such primitive ways of doing things. 
Very sad GA and I think the end of the world is indeed near. These things happening are the kind of things written in the Bible about how we should know that the coming of the Christ is near. One must get their life in order so one can go to paradise yazi

Green.arrow
21 Oct 2011 14:57

Doesn't help that the Lybian names have that 'biblical' ring to them. And they say he was killed along with his other son during 'the battle of Sirte'...<---- that biblical ring...:D. Things that happen in our life time, from pure genius , the epitome of Civilization (Steve Jobs)...to the primitively dealt with Gadafi saga.

cphe m
21 Oct 2011 15:06

yahambi nja gadaffi go wel wil never mic u.mgabe u a next lol(rip gadaffi)!!!!!!

makisto
21 Oct 2011 15:10

#DeathByGaddafi
Oh lol, how could I miss this one, kwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

hahahahahaha @SharpShooter, EVERY PUN INTENDED!
In every sense of the word

tshetlha
21 Oct 2011 16:02

Gruesome.......I also dont like the way he was killed.......people are cruel....I believ you when you say the end is near.....thansk for the article...I saw the video it was not nice at all...and they aslo murdered his son...my gawd!

Toxic
21 Oct 2011 16:51

Link to gruesome killing video please....anyone.

Cnglemother
21 Oct 2011 17:14

he died like a nobody!the hole he was hiding in got me cracking.Shweyga must be shown these videos in her hospital bed in Malta.is Hannibal still alive mara?his wife is the one that repeatedly poured boiling water over the nanny who could not stop a crying child

realist
21 Oct 2011 18:50

The jury on His ideology, and 'The west's intentions , is still out there for me. I'm skeptical both ways. How so?btw, good evening.

makisto
21 Oct 2011 19:47

Hey Realist, I was thinking about where you are in the week. Are you still ok, we really miss you here on TVSA my man

cphe m
21 Oct 2011 19:51

tshetiha@how can u say u don't like the way the kiled him that devil was satan haif brother the did a gud job those who send him to hell now its time for him to pay for his sin in hell.go well gadaffi to hell your brothers

VusiK
21 Oct 2011 19:55

What Minah posted has been common knowledge for years ... and all true ... plus a whole lot more!

VusiK
21 Oct 2011 19:57

... Now watch Poverty, Capitalism and democracy bring hardship to the people of Libya ..... I don't care either way, I have no benefit in it, just an observer of life and the consequence of ideologies ...

nqadu
22 Oct 2011 08:02

This man had goodness in him, his sin was staying in power for too long - 42 years really, that is ridiculous. As we all know POWER CORRUPTS ABSOLUTELY. And really the Zimbabweans need to learn from Libyans and Egytians, not that they should murder brutally like this but for me I believe Zimbabweans are cowards, they run to other countries instead of fixing their country, take Mugabe out people don't run. Even us, in SA there were unrests, riots, people sacrificed their lives for this land, for this freedom, even those who went to exile, they didn't go there to sell veggies or marry people from those countries only, they went to find strategies of how to fight the government of oppressors. But it puzzles me that Zimbabweans just run instead of fightiing - they are cowards. They must think of the future of their children that's what Mandela thought of, hhe wasn't fighting for himself, he did it for us the young ones to live in a free country, but no Zimbabweans run all ovr the world - FOR HOW LONG, I ASK?

Slushta
22 Oct 2011 09:56

@ Nqadu...that is soo true, funny, I never thought of Zimbabweans as cowards until now....they have no fighting spirit really!

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 10:26

All too often in history, as well as in the history we will live, and in the history that our children's children will live and witness the same events in which tyranny, slavery, and oppression will re-present itself through the mask of capitalism, enlightenment, and democracy ... 

Power and enlightenment will always cling to itself and all men will aspire to it as long as its exercise seems attractive to those without it. ... 
In my opinion, Qaddafi's greatest failure was the allure of power, not the principles he aspired to when he started. ... the tragedy of Libya is already being experienced here ... 

We do have a government that has failed us, principally because it is intransigent, and will continue to fail citizens because the citizens are very much like the Libyans, listening to words and not observing the actions of those who have every intent on remaining in Power. 

If one detatches the elements of power from our populist desires, there is very little difference between what Qaddafi's legacy was, Mugabe, and the ANC ...

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 10:30

Thinking about it, Religion has spread greater mysery on unsuspecting cultures as well.

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 10:32

As i said before, ... observe how all the benefits of the Lybian economies that trickled to the ordinary man now pour into the coffers of extraordinary capital and the benefits the citizens so ignorantly enjoyed and took for granted turn to debt and a new form of slavery .

cphe m
22 Oct 2011 10:46

nqadu

HazieRocks
22 Oct 2011 10:49

All I can say is there is oil in Libya and there is oil in Iran. Gaddafi may have ruled for 42yrs I only heard of complaints after the US got involved. Sad. Africans will always be exploited.

cphe m
22 Oct 2011 11:25

nqandu

cphe m
22 Oct 2011 11:26

nqandu

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 13:00

@Realist, its more my jury more than anything. I see opinions are split regarding what is what. And I don't have enough information to....I suppose pick sides, or make a conclusion, when I do male a conclussion (it will satisfy my curious mind), I wanna be sure its a bit accurate. BUT ne, at this point, my sentiments are those of the man on the ground. Who realy doesn't give a damn about ideologies, and economics,...who feels the effects of 'sanctions' and what nots...who starves and is sorely affected when the 'heads' are bumping up there; I ask is this (gaddafi's killing and the bloody uprising) any good for me?, will it be better than the situation before rebels were incited? I guess time will tell.

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 13:09

@GA ... knowing quite a lot about economics and how the world is run ... I guarantee life for Libyan citizens will seem to improve short term, however, I assure you that Qaddafi will be remembered with very sad fondness ... not for anything other than his economic policies in relation to his attempt at creating an Islamist socialist state. The country itself will not be able to pump enough oil to fund the reconstruction loans (the bulk of which will be western funded, and bulk of the work going to western firms), from that point onward, it will be debt on debt to refinance older debt ... We have seen this everywhere before ... many times ... I was never a fan of Qaddafi ... I was a very close observer of his philosophies, and am still a student of what he failed to accomplish. importantly ... his failure is by his doings, not a failed ideology, or modality.

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 13:45

"oppression will re- present itself through the mask of capitalism, enlightenment, and democracy .."...@Vuss wish you can elaborate more than u did on this, as like a new article. *big begging eyes* .... But right on with ur take generally. Oh and also on this "If one detatches the elements of power from our populist desires, there is very little difference between what Qaddafi's legacy was, Mugabe, and the ANC ..."

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 13:52

Mm, I hear you Vuss re: the grim reality that awaits Libya. I read a bit about this 'islamic socialist state' bit... But What about his 'philosophies' do you find worthwhile?

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 13:55

And also, based on what you know Vuss, how accurate (if at all) are the 'unknown facts' that @Minah posted UP there on the commens.

makisto
22 Oct 2011 13:59

Tjo @ you guys TVSA'ing on a Saturday *hides*

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 14:09

@GA ... I suggest you read up on iceland's oil policy for a little bit of an eye opener .... if it is not iceland, It is either Norway or Sweden, regardless .. all three states are socialist, however, one of them has a kick-ass oil policy that they actually learnt and adopted from Qadaffi's green philosophy ... I have an electronic copy somewhere of the green book, I'll check in archives, and if I do find it, i will send it to you, or better yet, while it still exists, google it and download it before it is expunged from people's realities.

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 14:10

@GA ... Everything @Minah wrote about the Islamic social implementation of oil capital and revenue in old Lybia is true, and very deeply documented ...

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 14:11

@GA ... I am not going to write an article on any of these matters ... Sorry!

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 14:40

Will google that asap, thanx Vuss...and equally I'm weeping coz u don't wanna elaborate!! But its aight! I guess some of this are life lessons, ill figure them out as a I go along. Bt Eish just that I'm impatient with the bullsh!t that the majority of us, the uniformed unsuspceting victims are being subjected to ,and I don't wanna be caught up. Can't comprehend it, but I see something,and its making me restless.. (Or maybe I'm just overzealous about nada, I must just eat, and sleep, and procreate, and survive.....ah ah.). @Makisto, I'm at school hle wena, ke fela ke lahlela mahlo mo le mola away from this excel spreadsheet or while I'm in the lab.#sucks!

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 16:11

The reconstruction bill will be over 250 billion Euros ... all borrowed on the backs of the Lybian people and their resources ... Plus the nato bill (yes, they do send bills for war) will be at least 20 - 80 billion Euros ... all paid by the same people they just liberated, not to mention the deregulation (rape) of the libyan economy ... it is called free market exconomics ... when I used to do this work, it was discretely referred to as financial terrorism ... or Capitalism at work ! is it not a pity that Zimbabbwe has very little oil under it.

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 17:00

Libya (Arabic: ‏ليبيا‎ Lībyā) is a country in the Maghreb region of North Africa bordered by the Mediterranean Sea to the north, Egypt to the east, Sudan to the southeast, Chad and Niger to the south, and Algeria and Tunisia to the west. 

With an area of almost 1.8 million square kilometres (700,000 sq mi), Libya is the fourth largest country in Africa by area, and the 17th largest in the world.[5] 

The largest city, Tripoli, is home to 1.7 million of Libya's 6.4 million people. The three traditional parts of the country are Tripolitania, Fezzan and Cyrenaica. 

In 2009 Libya had the highest HDI in Africa and the fourth highest GDP (PPP) per capita in Africa, behind Seychelles, Equatorial Guinea and Gabon. Libya has the 10th-largest proven oil reserves of any country in the world and the 17th-highest petroleum production.[6] 

As a result of the civil war of February to October 2011 and the collapse of the Gaddafi regime which had been in power for more than 40 years, Libya is currently administrated by a caretaker government, known as the National Transitional Council.

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 17:04

Wow..."Nato Bill". Interesting staff. I guess the writting can't be anymore clearer.

"is it not a pity that Zimbabbwe has very little oil under it"....trick rhetorical question right.

Oh i dont find nothing specifically on iceland's oil policy. Although i read a bit on Iceland's economy. Rated good for sometime till after the 2007-8 crisis where they also had to borrow from the IMF.
Is the Oil policy based on the "the green book" because otherwise it will suffice. Got the downloads by the way ke a leboga, i'll feast.

Here is another question, perhaps my deepest question arround the whole thing ---->capitalism.
For the most part, Unless something happens, some hectic revolution. We are stuck with this system. So how does one make sure that they evade its claws and still be a functioning part of society. The only other alternative is to go full on boho and live in a dessert.

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 17:13

I'll find the references to send you in the right direction ... Their oil policy is based on the country's opinion on how to best manage their resources, however, the Arab who designed the policy must have been influenced strongly by the green society philosophies.

makisto
22 Oct 2011 17:20

Lol guys, are the two of you having an affair here on TVSA, kwaaaaaaaaa *hides*

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 17:30

I'm not going to go into Capitalism as institutionalized, organized and legimized thuggery, frankly how the system works will demoralise you and those who wish to accomplish things ... that money can buy ...

A simple expample is found in finance / economics wherein everyone is taught the following:-

In order to start business, the first process is to borrow funds from a financial instition and then course one's way through the "J" curve .... my response to this particular statement in Econ class was ... 
why would I wish to borrow money when I have resources outside of banking ...
My professor said ... "What resources could you possibly have Vusi"
My response was "My family, my relations, my village"... and so forth ... to which he responded ....
Aah we have a communist in this class gentlement;"
to whit my response was ...
"I understand communism, in fact I believe in it Sir!, however, I am a Socialist !!!

Go back through your economics 101 books and show me where alternative thinking outside of subscribing to Capitalism exists ... 

GANGSTA !!!

The answer to your question is simple ....
Avoid borrowing at all costs for all your life long ... you will be paying interest on money that never existed before you requested it being made available to you !!!

Study John Maynard Keynes ... the father of modern economics & the Bretton Woods convention that put paid to the direct relationship of currency and value from something tangible to something intangible, and removed the liability of the issuer of obligation to that of the creditor ...
In fact, when I was 10, there were still bank notes in South Africa redeemable in Silver of Gold ... now it is purely faith & Creidt, which only means something if the holder places value in it.

A simple means to explain the system is to undertand the reality that everything, and anything is worth what the purchaser will pay for it !!! Not the other way round !

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 17:34

OK, Kisto .. We will not stop ... GA asks the questions, it is only fair to provide the answers !!!

At least she's not asking about where to give up her hard earned money to some barman for something that will only lasta few hours in her sysstem ...

There's hope in GA!

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 17:35

Yeayy, a long comment, lemme relax for it.
makisto join the affair hawu.

makisto
22 Oct 2011 17:40

Lol, I'm on a date...

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 17:43

Banking & Capitalist economics are quite simple to understand ...

For every 1 rand you deposit in the bank, the bank is entitled to lend out 19 rand, which is creates via a book entry system, the 19 rand never existed before you were prepared to pay for the service of receiving money from them and paying interest.

he bank, however, has no obligation to pay you any share of the interest they earn on the other 19 yand above and beyond your one rand, at a rate that your bank, and other banks agree is enough to keep you happy.

Hence, the system is guaranteed to operate in its favour and not yours ... it is not dissimilar to anyone walking into a Casino ... the odds always favour the house.

tha - bang
22 Oct 2011 17:43

gaddaffi had his faults but as South Africans we should be saddened by his passing.  Libya helped with training camps and funding but was not afraid to go against the west on principle issue something that is diminishing in our globe right now.i agree his gravest mistake was to stay on in power for too long the same thing that castro and his brother are doing right now.but the putting of his picture like this is very dishounourable imagine if gaddaffi was bush or barack or clinton do you think we would being seeing such images,even if they had died in an accident or terrorist attack?

Its shocking theres no outcry to assinations of a fellow human being all in the name of political expidiency.

its disgraceful that we too are buying into this careles disregard for human life that we also put up pictures of the dead like this. imagine if Gaddaffi was your father or brother?would you be happy with the pictures so unashamedly plastered like this>

the man was no saint,but no one deserves what happened to him,and i think in 15 years time the people of libya will remember gaddafi in a fond way once the NATO has had its way with the country

tha - bang
22 Oct 2011 17:49

VusiK have you seen revolver?

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 17:50

@Tha-Bang ... the UN Human Rights Office actually objected ... last night they commissioned an inquiry into Qaddafi's death ... Link attached ... http://www.polity.org.za/article/un-rights-office-urges-inquiry-into-gaddafi-death-2011-10-21

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 17:52

I have it in my Movie Bank, No never seen it Tha-Bang .... Is it the one with Jason Stratham? ... If So, Yes, I have seen it!

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 17:53

@GA .. the current Economist addresses most of the questions you have posted today! ... Just read it while Blogging !

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 18:03

hmm.... a sigh. Thanx Vuss

Go back through your economics 101 books and show me where alternative thinking outside of subscribing to Capitalism exists ...
I did zero economics in my entire school time but for that financial management short course in 4rth year. and infact from that and the little i pick up, i've always been of the opinion that we work hard, only to be robbed basically. And perhaps its because ive never been conditioned in class that ive always been so suspiciuous even when my only income was the monthly 50 bucks from me mom.


The answer to your question is simple .... Avoid borrowing at all costs for all your life long Noted, over and over......ill keep learning the WHYs and HOWs. I appreciate the detailed answers to the WHYs. 
I just bookmarked "the economist @Vuss. Baie dankie. Im a science student, and as keen as i am about this issues, i wanna approcah it ka momkgwa o mong. Hope this will help me good. :)


Ow makisto now excuuuuzee moa!...lol

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 18:06

the UN Human Rights Office actually objected ... last night they commissioned an inquiry into Qaddafi's death
And i thought this was too little too late.

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 18:12

@Tha-Bang ... not much of a Guy Ritchie fan ... but I thought Rock n' Rolla was hillarious !!!

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2011 18:14

imagine if Gaddaffi was your father or brother?would you be happy with the pictures so unashamedly plastered like this ... i see this but i also think, perhaps to those who were in one way or another victims of Gaddafi's regime, this was the justice they are fine with. A lot of blood baths happened in his watch, on his command....there are a lot of exiled people because of him, perhaps to them this is just alryt. Justice never satisfies all. 

BUT personally, i think there is something wrong with all of humanity if this is the kind of Justice that is accepted and expected. BUT then again, even in the BC, this is how "rules" were toppled. Remember in the times of David and Saul, going to war and coming back with the King of the defeated nation's head? We may be civilised in the 21st century, but savagery is still raw in humanity. 

And how sad is that Gaddafi's family, was also included in the manhunt. i know that all his children were his allies, but jo its all too hectic. What about the grand children then who probably had no part in this, is it that they are "the legacy". 

Heish...must go home now.

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 18:16

@GA ....... Norway

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 18:19

BUT personally, i think there is something wrong with all of humanity if this is the kind of Justice that is accepted and expected .... My sentiment exactly ... I always look at whoever's opinion and ask myself "Dude; What if you are wrong?!?"

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 18:34

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16093351 http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16055312

VusiK
22 Oct 2011 18:37

http://www.economist.com/node/21533410

nqadu
22 Oct 2011 21:10

It is sad what is happening to AFRICA - we are just ripped off by the Western countries.

poshspice
23 Oct 2011 23:54

@VusiK as a first year politics student I've learnt not to take things at face value, like Marx would say be suspicious, very suspicious....the contradictions between what Gaddafi stood for and what he has achieved and his hold onto power/authoritarian/dictatorial tendencies leaves me torn apart and I guess the best thing is to read, read and read to make an informed decision...

I guess power is addictive, Gaddafi did not see himself outside his throne....he was willing to fight till the end....it was all or nothing for him...do I feel sorry for him, not really, he was defiant till the end, every human being should know when to fight and when to surrender....

hIN

poshspice
24 Oct 2011 00:16

I liked Gadaffi's fashion sense....he was bold/fierce/mental/smart etc....

I am more interested on the role of the African Union. Do they got capacity to outsmart/outwit the West to release Africa from exploitation by these MNCs...are they too emotionally attached to the subject  dish tough love to these dictators such as Mugabe, Angolan Dos Santos who feel entitlement just because they led their  countries into independence... is the AU a toothless dog? 

 

Green.arrow
24 Oct 2011 07:45

@Vuss, I took note of Norway having the highest Pension Fund Reserve. Although I haven't perused the info far enough to get Norway and Iceland's geographical links, nor how they link in terms of their Oil reserves.

Green.arrow
24 Oct 2011 07:51

Wow @ Posh, going for another degree? Its defs in my plans also, when I have a phd this side. Again for me, as much as I wanna understand the nitty gritties, the man Gaddafi and his fellow dictators, or maybe nje african leadership in general...my heart is with the ordinary people who realy don't give a damn about motives and agendas...who just want to eat. Good luck to Lybia once again.

VusiK
24 Oct 2011 07:51

@Poshspice ... He was a bundle of contradictions !!! ... and his fashion sense was totally Mental !!! ... on the AU ... It ain't Toothless ! , ... It ain't even a Dog !! That's a Rug !!!

Green.arrow
24 Oct 2011 07:53

LOL @ AU 'the rug'

mbulela
24 Oct 2011 10:29

It is sad what is happening to AFRICA - we are just ripped off by the Western countries

Not as much as we are being ripped off by our own indigenous leaders.
If our leaders did half of their jobs there will be less room for the west to rip us off.
Nato and the rest of the west are evil but any attempt to paint the likes of Gaddafi as anything short of a tyrant and total evil is disingenuous at the very least.

Mathaz
24 Oct 2011 10:36

African problems cannot be solved by Western solutions.  I am appauled as to how he died and how nobody seems to care, i know the US has also called for a probe into what happened before he died, the autopsy says a bullet wound in the head and so??  I doubt there will ever be peace in Libya, remember i think one of his son is still alive and what about his loyalists??  

The western world must just meddling in African counties all in the name of freeing the unliberated.  You know i was watching the news and our president was trying to explain something about Libya but i was disappointed in him for not helping Gadaffi, after all that he has done for us and this is how we repay him??  We ought to be ashamed of our selves as a nation. 

mbulela
24 Oct 2011 11:13

We ought to be ashamed of our selves as a nation. 

We should be ashamed and rightfully so.
However it should not be because of hw our govt reacted to Gaddafi's death but for how inept our govt has been in addressing the needs of its people and has become a bastion of cronyism, corruption and and outright ineffectiveness.
We should be ashamed for a presidentthat spends weeks and months 'applying his mind' to straight forward cases of corruption that are evident to a 6 year old.
There are enough thing s to make us ashamed as a country and nation. Gaddafi is the least of them.

MsKim
24 Oct 2011 11:22

# a president dying like that # eish the pics # hayi bo. this is jus threemuch. i knw most of us wldn't have believed it without seeing the pics n videos.. but eish. its jus not cool seeing someone being murdered. maybe seeing him in jail suffering wld have bn better, or better yet someone shld have planted a camera in the hole he was leavin in (wld have enjoyed watching that).

Ntlewame2
24 Oct 2011 11:44

@VusiK as usual you are very generous.......you are permitted to charge R2000 per comment now!

There will always be disagreements where people are involved ..........its sad when the dissagreements are unresolved......because of Power hungry leaders/illiterate communities........

Any wolf can come in swiftly........in the long run........AFRICA is the only continents that seems to enjoy slavery..........and its starts right there with YOU/(us)

Gontse Phiona Masetla
24 Oct 2011 14:43

live by a sword die by a sword


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