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Illuminati: Hogwash Or Reality?

Written by PruLuv from the blog Luv To Chat on 17 Jul 2012
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You've probably read a gory email about it, or seen pictures on the net or maybe even caught a convo mid-sentence discussing it. Yep, It's the big news in music circles about the Illuminati Dynasty.

To sum it up, the media and entertainment gossip mongers have described the Illuminati as a "secret society" of devil worshipping. In essence, musicians in this case, sell their souls to the devil in exchange for money, fame and infinite success. They are the New World Order.




Before I continue, let me clarify that I'm not an expert on this matter, so I need your expertise and opinions in order for us to dissect this phenomenon.

After all those emails, all those photos and all those convos, I found this "supposed, media-version" of the society rather distorted.

Ok, ok, honestly... in the times we live in, where Vampire and Witchcraft movies are breaking box office records and are seen as cool, anything is possible. Yeah, I'm talking about the Twilight series, Harry Potter and all those "ubuthakathi" films. I also know that people will resort to extreme evil to get ahead in life whilst some of us pray to God daily and wake up in the freezing mornings to make an honest living. Granted!

But...

It's these individuals that are linked to the Illuminati society that kinda baffles me.




Jay Z, Kanye West, Beyonce, Rihanna, Diddy and Lil Wayne are on top of the list, of this somewhat pyramid scheme. Lady Gaga is also on the list, but for the purpose of this article, I'd like to focus on the other "evil members." Lady Gaga needs an entire article all by herself. Lol. After last night's BET Awards, I hear that Chris Brown, Drake and Nicki Minaj are now part of the "gang." Tjooo *claps once*

If I remember correctly, the news of this Illuminati broke out soon after the "father of Illuminati" Jay Z topped the Forbes list. Before long, it was Diddy then Beyonce and the rest of the RnB and Hip Hop crooners followed.




Before long, emails with distorted information were widely circulated "confirming" that Jay Z, Kanye West, Beyonce, Rihanna, Diddy and Lil Wayne have gained instant fame, success and moolah after entering the Illuminati. Then, people started grabbing bibles and throwing holy water on their screens. The news went viral and people are convinced that success = evil.

The first thing that was questionable about these claims was that recurring statement, that they all gained "instant fame." With the exception of Rihanna, any person who's followed the international music scene knows full well that these stars have been around the block for a while.




Jay Z gained popularity in the early 1990s after entering the game in the late 1980s. Almost 20 years later he tops the Forbes list and he belongs to the Illuminati?

Beyonce and her children, rather Destiny's Child, took 4 years to even enter the major music scene around 1997. Prior to 1993 Beyonce was already being groomed and dolled up to be a star by her father, a professional music promoter, and her mother a fashion designer. More than a decade later, with a sharper nose and a millionaire after her, she tops the Forbes list and she now belongs to the Illuminati?




Kanye has been under Jay Z's wing for over a decade and is the driving force behind many successful and famous musicians, including Jay Z himself. If he could make other people rich and famous, why is it a cry to do the same for himself?

We all know Diddy or P Diddy or whatever he calls himself nowadays from the days of Biggie Smallz around 1995. Two decades late he tops the Forbes list and he's Illuminati?

Lil Wayne was only 9 years when he joined Cash Money Records. 20 years later he's still there, worked his way to the Forbes lists and he's now Illuminati?




Are you seeing a pattern? To cut the long story short, this appears to be some form of propaganda, that if a black person becomes wealthy it's through evil ways or devil worship. Let's not forget that the USA and UK are still battling with racial inequality. Hint hint, all the racial slurs directed at Barack "Odrama" Obama.

This is no racial attack but a mere observation linking factual events.

If anything, Tyler Swift, Adele and Justin Bieber should be on that list as they meet the "instant success" criteria. Even Kim Kardashian should be on it, because we are yet to define her occupation. So, why are they not on the list? Probably, someone on the net has hinted about them being on the list but they don't have documentaries and books about them being "confirmed" as Illuminati.




Before we get carried away, back to the REAL Illuminati. According to "historical references," the Illuminati is a secret society comprising of powerful individuals that mastermind world events and affairs through governments and corporates to establish a New World Order. The aim is to have a totalitarian one-world government controlled by this very society. Apparently that's why everything nowadays is "United." Think of the African Union(AU) and United Nations (UN), where foreign countries can now butt into the business of your country and even tell you how to run it. Mmmh... Ayeye Nkosazana Zuma.

As much as we love our RnB and Hip Hop musicians, somehow, it's difficult to defend them. Why in the world are they giving so much glory to these alter egos of theirs? What's up with the hand signals and images in their videos mimicking the Illuminati?

Although they have all denied it, it's common knowledge that there is no smoke without fire.




So, back to my question. Are these RnB and Hip Hop musicians being used by some "powers" for this New World Order?

What's your take?



101 Comments

05415
17 Jul 2012 08:02

So, black people mustn't thrive for success because they will be called devil worshippers. The devil worshipper is the person who created the email, they've got all the details of being devil worshippers which means they do it themselves. And these celebrities, their success was not instant, just because we've just known about them in recent years doesn't mean they haven't been working hard, suffering, dreaming, trying to get to where they are today - we just know them now. If you take JZ for instance, he's been in the music industry for ages, so his success now is pay off for all the years of hard work. So is the rest of them...

KatMo
17 Jul 2012 08:04

This Illuminati being evil and all that is hogwash. These guys got to the top by sheer hard work and most of them are Christians.

Chix
17 Jul 2012 08:45

Nna Pruluv I am not going to start judging people and categorise them under ILLUMINATIS or whatever they are called. All I will say is that this whole thing just scares the creeps outta me!!! You know what is SAD about life... it is the fact that you can go to church, pray, give to the poor, wara wara this and wara wara that and only find out after death that you were not walking on the path that God designed for you!!! In the bible it says..."Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven". Matthew 7 vs 21

That is just my 2c worth...

Chix
17 Jul 2012 08:54

Googled a bit and found this...

http://people.virginia.edu/~sfr/enam481/groupa/illumhist.html

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 09:13

I was looking at an anectdote on Sunday ...

Two pictures:

On the left ..
A Bible with the caption:
"Proof that G*d exists."

On the right ...
A Spiderman comic book  with the caption:
"Proof that Spiderman exists."

It is up to the individual to believe what they wish to believe.

ayashah
17 Jul 2012 09:13

who am i to judge people if ever they are devil worshippers they will get their jugdement on a jugdement day!!

Mrs Chix
17 Jul 2012 09:24

Shame this is BS. I do not believe its true

mangqezu
17 Jul 2012 09:30

The Lady Gaga article is hectic

My question though is why would someone just target a select few artists and claim they are devil worshippers when we've had many other successful black artists before them the likes of Michael Jackson (who is said to be burning in hell by some article lol), Whitney Houston, Diana Ross etc but no such claims were made against their success.

Are the claims true?? dunno but why are we also quick to proclaim their innocence when we dont have proof otherwise?

ayashah
17 Jul 2012 09:44

@ mangqezu i also this article of micheal jason burning in hell!! am not hearing this thing of devil worshippers some even quote some phraises in their song e.g Rihanna run this world some i forget coz i dnt realy wanna get into this,  



 

Segololo
17 Jul 2012 10:05

Satan was said to be the angel of what...? Before it fell out of heaven.... And also Jay-Z refers to himsels as Hova (abbreviation forJeHOVA) I love all their music and will listen to it, but i believe there is no smoke without...i will however not be folllowing the illuminati cries...

zandilez
17 Jul 2012 10:09

this is jus rediculous ............ dont believe in it for a second ....... whoever is spreading these lies about them is jus an unemployed lazy creepy paranoid old pervet man living in his mother house using his mother computer to spread kak on the internet to keep himself busy

wesbuw
17 Jul 2012 10:45

Hu cares? I cud blv Lady Gaga cz of her weird dresses n props n lyrics

myname
17 Jul 2012 12:17

Pru whoever came up with this illuminant thing is also part of it. How does he/she know all of this????? 

this is jus rediculous ............ dont believe in it for a second ....... whoever is spreading these lies about them is jus an unemployed lazy creepy paranoid old pervet man living in his mother house using his mother computer to spread kak on the internet to keep himself busy

I LOVE YOU ZANDILEZ FULL STOP

Guava4
17 Jul 2012 12:31

If this illuminat does exist il probaly join,those people are on the forbes because of hardwork hardwork not magic,boloyi ba segoa illuminat

Lomingo
17 Jul 2012 12:41

illuminati has nothing to do with devil worship. it was a society of scientists who created it during the 18th century because they were being persecuted for, back that time, was considered heresy by the church.

the stories now are just started by people who see demons everywhere and symbols in everything.

get your history right before you go off on these crazy witch hunts.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 12:44

@Lomingo ... Those are the Alchemists.

Kandyfloss
17 Jul 2012 12:59

Eish bathong..!

Solmat76
17 Jul 2012 13:12

I'm glad that all this are speculations and its up 2 an individual 2 decide what they want 2 believe. 1 thing 4 sure is that if it is indeed true that they r involved with evil, 1 day the power of God will visit them n they must also be afforded the opportunity to repent just like all of us were not saints b4.

ayashah
17 Jul 2012 13:21

amen solemat76

allyv
17 Jul 2012 14:10

I think you guys will find this interesting...

I've been following this site for a while now.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/category/musicbusiness/

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 15:45

Indeed Vuss, I know about the alchemists.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 15:49

You should GA ...
being a modern day Alchemist yourself,
lol.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 15:50

Arg, this things. I'm not one to fuss about supernatural and mystical staff.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 16:42

LOL I am aren't I Vuss. But alchemists attempt to go against the laws of nature in a deeper way than we do. Never went deeper than the surface with what they did/do, BUT I do think they are onto something, if nanotechnology is anything to go by. Infact let me read more than I did those many yrs ago.

zdwesha
17 Jul 2012 16:49

yho i watched this video on youtube scary thingz, what on earth is going on in this world sesiyagwetywa na?

Whitney Houston was SACRIFICED by the ILLUMINATI for the Jubilee of the Queen Elizabeth! (1/2)

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 17:05

Well ... They believed they could ....
Theoretically ... if applies, however all those hundreds of years ago ... They did not possess the knowledge we do about the reality that the Universe wishes to return all to Iron.
... Nanotech is awesome !

The General
17 Jul 2012 18:10

As long as they not hurting anyone who cares?! There are better things to do than stress if Jay-Z is a devil-woshipper.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 18:29

In cautiously commenting Vuss coz I still haven't refreshed my memory, but ya I do remember thinking that, with the current deeper knowledge and application of kinetics and thermodynamics and and and, alchemy may be. But turning base metals into precious metals, ? I dunno for real. Yew Nano is cool, the future maybe. Her I recently found myself doing a lot of work on rare earth metals, another commodity to watch for the future.

PruLuv
17 Jul 2012 18:37

@Chix - just read that link... Unbelievable stuff *SMH*

PruLuv
17 Jul 2012 18:51

My question was more around the celebrities and the link to the Illuminati. 

As someone who worked at the bank, it was always a matter of curiousity to understand how things work. The credit card, loaning, interest, debt, etc. Our curiousity led us to dig & dig for more info until we hit the whole Illuminati theory. For us we understood it as a group of Europeans and some Americans trying to control the world's wealth through the very bank laws we have. Obviously, the aim is to cause people to get into a lot of debt and eventually be controlled by "money" banks. 

Then it was the question of why countries such as South Africa can't pull out. The answer was the debt owed to the world bank, amongst other things including colonial dependancy. Same can be said about other African countries.

We all know that Africa is the leader in natural resources, yet with everything in abandunce, the people in our continent are starving to death? Odd isn't it?

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 19:58

@Pru ... Your question IS about Alchemy.
It is very complicated,
How many years do you have available for a proper explanation ?
It is pretty much as the conspiracy theorists suggest, and is nothing like it at all.

Do you understand Keynesian Economics on an altruist level?
If you do ... ask me whenever you do meet me ...
and have lots of time to listen.
but ...
if you wish to get a fairly uncomplicated narrative to help understanding of these mechanics inside the IBS / IBC complex ...
get a copy of Marcia Stigums' book ... "Inside the Money Markets"

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 19:59

or you can read any book in my library ...
They all have to do with monetary issues.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 20:00

I don't think its odd @Pruluv. I think the state of africa is due to capitalism, that we haven't yet wrapped our heads arround the concept and how to make it work., combine that with colonialism. The concept of tax, credit and business existed even before Christ was born. Those they credit with being the owners of "all" wealth today (rockerfellas, vanderb***what what's) , me thinks they simply came up with sophisticated or meticulous ways to get more money out of a capitalist system that already existed, and maybe yes today they happen to have the upper hand. But I don't think there is any mystique t it. And I mean meticulous in the way they integrated or manipulated the commerce/mathematical , social, and religious aspects to get their way. Lol and this I make out from the many Zietgist documentries I've watched, a lot of looting has gone on over the years, manipulation, botsotsi etc, but I just don't see the mystical connection, I see they used 'religion' to scare people and coerce maybe, and that's not creepy, just wrong...I could say immoral but based on what campus?

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 20:04

"Keynesian Economics on an altruist level?" Wabona! They just go smart with maths and philosophy, ...nothing creepy. I say its a don't hate the player, hate the game typa issue. Now those who see creepy staff in this things are just haters, lol. Hehhehehe...

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 20:19

Yazi, while on this topic, something close, I'd love to discuss C.S Lewis' Mere Christianity hle. And J.R Tolkien's work, I'm only familiar Lord of the rings, and a bit of the hobbit. Can somebody humor me pweeeeeeez. Sigh...

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 20:29

We all know that Africa is the leader in natural resources, yet with everything in abandunce, the people in our continent are starving to death? Odd isn't it?

1. This is nowhere near the truth.... We have abundant resources ... but the continent is nowhere near the tops 3 in resources, nor reserves.
2. Resources without development is exactly the same as the multiple of zero.
3. It is our fault in Africa for selling our resources for immediate wealth ... "Opportunity" as it is called.
4. Africa will continue to starve as long as Africa is populated by black people who have zero cohesive strategy as a people. ... and this is not because of the colonial boundaries ... it is because we are a fundamentally divided people, and everyone is there exclusively ... for themselves .

We deserve to starve because our poverty IS our fault.
It is a pity you're not my FB friend ... all you need to do is look at the articles I read everyday , they are all about the answers you seek, plus a few sidelines and alleyways.

@GA ... the fundamental / Element of ALL finance as everybody understands it today is based on FIAT money ... or full Faith and Credit monetization ....

and the most fundamental rule of it is as follows:

It is impossible to have Capital without Debt as an offset.
and
It is impossible to have Debt without Capital as an offset

If that is understaood ... a lot of everything else will naturally fall into place.

From there ... one has to grasp the fundamental rule of accounting ...

Value (in most people's understanding) cannot transit without a reason ...
and
there are only three possible reasons to transit value.

Get those three embedded .. the rest becomes fairly easy...
But
the fundamentals are impossible for most ordinary people to grasp.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 20:37

@GA ... Do not completely immerse yourself in conspiracy theorem ...
It is the lazyman's way of acknowledging defeat ... it is too easy to adjust theory and fact to fit an argument when relating to any historical event or occurance. Conspiracy theorists thrive on this ... and 99% of the theories are unadulterated BULL !!

Zeigeistists are sore because they are not illuminatists ...
Illuminatists don't give a crap because they are supposed to be dominant.

In nature ...
the stronger will always dominate the weaker ...
there is no two ways about it, or around it.
... so ...
if illuminatists do exist ... why are they being demonised and called everything unnatural because they are stronger?

How should a dominant force respond when accused by the weaker one of dominating?

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 20:44

Tolkien and Lewis?

You'll need your own article.

PruLuv
17 Jul 2012 20:48

OMW @VusiK. Let me google all those terms. I'll be back. Lol

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 21:01

Hence I say Vuss, that between the illuminatists and those on team zietgist, its an issue of "don't hate the player, hate the game", although its the Christians who see the illuminatists as devilish not the zietgist movement. And infact as much as they the zietgist movement are going against the illuminating by appealing to the treehuggers within those who listen (which I am , not sure if that's good or bad), they also have an alternative phylosophy they are pushing, some concept which I forgot* that they say should be the alternative to capitalism as it is now. My standpoint, is to be informed and not be naïve to any philosophy, illuminatist, zietgist or whatever else.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 21:08

Bitter truths there about the state of Africa.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 21:12

Re: Tolkien and Lewis, article, don't even know when to start. Maybe if I finish mere christianity ill have a starting point. AND Re: fundamentals of finance...I hear you.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 21:13

Just be an observer and student of life ... I think you're trying to say

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 21:15

The path to knowledge will always begin with a Question.

PruLuv
17 Jul 2012 21:38

On the real though @VusiK. Can you summarise what the Keynesian Economics is all about?

@Green.Arrow - you raise some good points, which is why I was baffled as to how RnB and Hip Hop stars fit into the Illuminati puzzle. I've also watched a documentary on the History Channel about something similar. How major power houses and corporates influence governments and mastermind wars, femine, etc Apparently the wars in the Middle East are a direct result of the companies. Although they weren't blatant about it, it suggested that companies such as The Turner Corp, Clark Group and other major construction companies are always seen in Breaking News reports of wars, bombings, etc offering to "assist" the nations, but the truth being they "secretly" caused the destruction, offer some form of alleviation and in turn the country becames indebted to them.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 22:48

Eish Pru ...

Wiki the evolution of money and currency as value

John Maynard Keynes is the "Official Father of the modern economic system" also known as the credit system ... you can also wiki him and the Bretton woods convention at which the principles of modern economics were hammered together when the world faced collapse

Truth is ... simplified ....

The money you put in banks as deposits is registered as debt by the bank ... it is not an asset to the bank until the debt is securitised and converted into debt which is registered as an asset in the form of Capital.

The trick is what is capped capital adequacy, and conversion of debt to capital to be put out as debt and credit to the market place.
What effectively happens inside  bank is that the bank borrows 1 rand from you ... the law allows it to register all of it as debt, and then issue obligations which can be converted to cash to lend to you ... but each rand is allowed to be converted to 21 rand, thus creating 10 clean clear rand to lend out and offsetting the one rand debt that is the nly real money in existence.


in return, everybody borrows twenty rand which the bank frces you to repay with extra money to mitigate the rish you present, and your demand for monre money than you can afford... effectively binding you to an obligation to pay them money that never existed in the first place.

Fundamentally ... that is Keynesian economics at work

I will not comment on the rest of your comment ... I have the answers for you, but they are useless in any context relating to what we are discussing.


But most of the answers are in many articles we discussed over the years , the matter of Iraq, war & Capitalism was discussed in Maki's article on Journalistic integrity during the start of the Arab spring.go to that time & read Maki's article from there ... some pieces will come together from that one.

 

Banking in its many schools of discipline is extremely complicated.

But banking is what runs the world.

It is the second most powerful force in life...

the most powerful being compound interest.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 22:51

but the truth being they "secretly" caused the destruction

`no Secret ... They deliberately caused the destruction

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 22:56

"effectively binding you to an obligation to pay them money that never existed in the first place." Hhehe sad reality.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 23:07

"no Secret ... They deliberately caused the destruction" there you have it Pruluv. But this a 'theory' I struggle to accept, as much as logic and in some cases proof dictates. The banking system , this keynasian economics is sophisticated and tricky enough to help swindle lots of money from the 99%. Yes the "conflicts" make for steeper gains even, but whatever necessitated then, conflicts for profits that is? ,Did the laws of nature negatively affect their economic models at some point that they had to resort to such drastic measures? Or is this 'conflict for practice' also as ancient as the 'business' concept? ,...pointless questions eitherway, but am curious.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 23:14

it is no theory.

The entire planet watched it happen,
One cannot theorise on definitive fact !

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 23:15

How RnB stars and hollywood fits into the illuminati picture @Pruluv? What I've observed is that when it comes to the banking sector's association with the illuminati, there is no mystique involved, its about how they are bleeding the world with the capitalist system, 'they are a cruel system' that's all. Then when RnB stars and hollywood is thrown in the picture, that's when the mentions of 'devil worshiping' comes into the picture... and personally at that point I loose interest in the subject, as a Christian, at that point I remember to use the word of God to work out my salvation, to test every spirit; whether its beyonce's song or a certain Pastor of some mega church's sermon.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 23:21

GA ... What seems to elude you is that the conflicts are a very necessary part of human nature ... We are incapable of surviving without an enemy ... our spirit would die.

The economy world was about to end... research the facts ... you are speculating on fragments.

There was a mechanism necessary to de-standardise the value of currency because it became very clear that the way things were done prior to Bretton woods was unsustainable.

Buy you also need to read up on Mayer Rothschild ...

not the vanderbildts, or Rockerfellers ... they are very new players... babies in the grand scheme of who runs your life.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 23:24

If they are fact Vuss, why is no one tried. Do they not remain theories and allegations as long as the perpetrators are not held to account?

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 23:26

None of the people most people think have the power to control you has anywhere near the power you think.

THere are very large forces out there (These forces are not individuals ... they are collectives)... their power and ability is beyond anything most people from Mzantsi can wrap their reality around.

You guys still watch Telly after all

lol ... Good Luck develping when obsessed with something that takes everything from you and gives nothing back !

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 23:29

LOL @ rockerfellers and co. Being babies in the grand scheme of things. I do not know a LOT about the economy world Vuss:). "What seems to elude you is that the conflicts are a very necessary part of human nature ... We are incapable of surviving without an enemy ... our spirit would die", it eludes me thoroughly I admit, hence I was sincerely asking. I appreciate the information and pointers to the history of it all. Yoh, insane staff thou. I'm a treehugger at heart, this make me a bit sad, but cest lavie, I know!.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 23:35

"Good Luck develping when obsessed with something that takes everything from you and gives nothing back !" Heehe LOL I seriously hate u Vuss. Look, from the bums to you , to einstein, we make the spectra of human life that makes everything work, the economy mostly. How would life be if we were all emancipated, hollistically? Real question.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 23:35

Yes ... I know ... I am only pulling your leg doll !

About conflict ...
We are still animals ... we only wear clothes, and we have only advanced as far as we have because we are terrified of the cold.
ALL technological advances , including the large ones ...take place for one of three reasons ... but the two main drivers are WAR and WINTER !

Our biggest industries through all of history have been involved in defeating WINTER and the pursuit of WAR

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 23:45

We no longer have to battle the elements as much as our not too distant ancestors, not protect ourselves from predators, nor chase down prey for food ...

But we still have those primal instincts burning strong in us ...
That agression ... needs directions ... and the direction happens to be the perpetual pursuit of an enemy / adversary ...

be it on religious grounds, skin colour, language, or posture ... what dividdes us draws those who are like us to defend ourselves against the difference ... and whatever is different ... depending on the level ... is an enemy to whatever we represent ourselves to be.

It happens to be a skill black people never really developed as intensely as people not originating from Africa did.

They ALL know solidarity in the face of adversary is fundamental to survival.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 23:50

we would rather buy alcohol and call it pleasure, and brands and call it leisure, and believe that a bentley makes one a better person ... and borrow to be the better person and pay 2,4125 times the already inflated sticker price in order to treat ourselves to the illusion of power ..

everything is relative though.

wo weeks ago ... I was sitting with the man who is designing the curriculum for the school system I wish to deploy ... it is not big ... just better ...

in our discussion ... he was probing my mind ... I said to him "Allow me to be primal in fundamentalising and defining "Real Space in life"

The ONLY basis of wealth in the Universe is the untethered ownership of land ... everything else thereafter is opinon.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 23:53

Wow interesting, realy. Where does entertainment fall, lol. The war part I get from many perspectives, in our steel making course, I remember our prof, most of the case studies on Steel refinery advancements centered between WW1 and WW2., where it was the submarine failures in WW1 that promted them to look in to the impurities of the steel then and how it can be refined to better withstand diffferent ocean conditions (temperature mostly) without being susceptible to fracture. So Wars pushed the advent of my craft, even in many other material I imagine. ...I hear u Vuss, it still all sucks. PS: I do desire to watch less tv to none, I could read more.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 23:55

"But we still have those primal instincts burning strong in us ... That agression ... needs directions ... and the direction happens to be the perpetual pursuit of an enemy / adversary ..." NOW I comprehend it, I do.

Green.arrow
17 Jul 2012 23:58

Iyo, ke 12midnight, been over a year since I pulled an all nighter on the net.

VusiK
17 Jul 2012 23:59

it is impossble for ALL of us to be holistically emansipated.

It is imprinted in our DNA tor us to seek dominance over others.

There will always be someone in control over someone else.

I am blessed in that I am not one of those who is, or will be controlled.

I learned the truth about how the system works, what it is, and why it exists ...

and built me one just like theirs ...

see ..."What we have, and are building for Africa this time ... is what we call a Mexican Standoff" ... and the odds of my side losing are rather high ... but me and my pals are going to go smiling all the way ...

that we will lose eventually is inevitable ...
However ...
we intend to have a massive ball going at it, taking as many of them as we can along the way.

Do you knknow whose support we know NOT to count on ?

we can count on AFRICA not supporting us.
We have Asia & South America ... we will never have Africa backing us up.

VusiK
18 Jul 2012 00:00

Nice Hairdo Pru ...

VusiK
18 Jul 2012 00:01

we can go crash GA.
Pru abandoned the discussion.

VusiK
18 Jul 2012 00:06

Yes ... the biggest advancement in your field Always happen during massive conflict ....

weapons must be better, stronger, lighter, more efficient and more reliable ...

so Metals advancements JUMP on a quantum level during conflict.

Now we are beyond Alloys ... we are talking self healing nano restructured composites .... Yikes !!! death from every corner ..

VusiK
18 Jul 2012 00:13

promted them to look in to the impurities of the steel then and how it can be refined to better withstand diffferent ocean conditions (temperature mostly)

Pressure resistance is more important that temperature resistence. We build expansion joints of some form or another into the bulkheads in order to compensate for both.

Green.arrow
18 Jul 2012 00:13

M! Love the mexican standoff analogy...you guys are real deal business people, you have embraced risk as it applies to business and like in life in general. Jooo ya we can't all be the same, ke legwalanyana. But I admire you guys. No hope at all in Africa Vuss? No projection of africa's EQ growth at all based on the what you have observed as africa's capacity? Are you not even hoping to be pleasantly surprised by Africa's support?

VusiK
18 Jul 2012 00:24

No Maam ...
When we planned this out ... We excluded Continental support 100%.
You have no idea of how fragmented africa is do you.

when we do lose eventually ...
the continent will have awesome inftrastructure to build on ...
what it does with it ... will determine its future as a block to be reckoned with ... or notMy money is on the NOT part.
But ... I'll be dead by then ... so it will not matter.

Green.arrow
18 Jul 2012 00:25

Lol @ death from every corner. Yes you are right, it boils down to pressure resistance. stress and strain. In the specific case ya WW1-WW2, the specific issue about "temperature" in steels was the ductile to brittle transition temperature, which before wasn't known a concept, the manipulation thereof by heat treatment temperatures and refining, but it boiled down to fractures. I must say though, that THEY dont come out to say that we are slaving on optimum materials for 'wars' this days, :D, noble 'uses' are used to motivate. bloody crooks, because otherwise us treehuggers would have none of it!

Green.arrow
18 Jul 2012 00:30

Ouch! Ngiyakuzwa kodwa.

Green.arrow
18 Jul 2012 00:32

Thanx Vuss for the info , my eyes are giving in.

VusiK
18 Jul 2012 00:35

You gave to look at it like this GA ...

I have no heir ... If I did ... I would groom him to succeed me ... and create mechanism outside of where I take risks to cater to him in posterity.

I have already done so for my unborn grandchildren and my extended family.

My crew happens not to treasure money or its associated celebrity and illusion of power... Rich, poor, indifferent ... We have been through and seen it all ... All we have is each other ... We have fun, and we have had an awesome run !

... and we choose to plant our legacy seed in Africa.

China and South America sure as hell don't need the investment.

The same situation applies to my biggest partner, who is my immediate successor ...we share the same philosophy.

He is going to be at the helm for 15 years ...
thereafter ... Walk away ...

so give it the most awesome run we can while we live ...
and make if fun !

We will  do just that, and we will take out some new world order troopers along the way .

Trust me .. we are going out with a BANG !

VusiK
18 Jul 2012 00:37

Pig iron on a boat was never going to work ...
That's what happened with Gen 2 subs.

Good night Pru ...

Enjoy your reading.

Toodecent
18 Jul 2012 06:27

Interesting convos that happened here shoo,surely I did learn.The illuminatti part I fail to understand why whoever does all these theories on it believes everything alligned with success is devilish..but then yall have been talking of these methond's and what what's that are evil or commonly known as unfair to the people yet they are law...like the bank, credit stuff.Well I embrace the fact that we won't be the same..there are those God made to have better knowledge than others,those that will be in authority and just follow. Anyway..Life goes on.Lemme pray,jump off bed and go to work to try and elliminate my credit hehe

Kandyfloss
18 Jul 2012 09:58

Shuu read with interest and got sadnyana as i felt ignorant and illiterate. Serious learnin here. Vus G.a &Pru thanx!

Kandyfloss
18 Jul 2012 10:01

Shuu read with interest and got sadnyana as i felt ignorant and illiterate. Serious learnin here. Vus G.a &Pru thanx!

swazzy
18 Jul 2012 10:23

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/

swazzy
18 Jul 2012 10:29

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/

Magical Baby
18 Jul 2012 10:38

Good Morning Y'All

I juest want to add my cents worth to the topic. 1st of all Pru, this is not hogwash it is real but then again you are not obliged to accept my version of events. I watched a DVD which explains the "why, where, when and how" it all happened. I watched another movie (a TBN movie) some few years ago that explains why things happen the way the do. Things we cannot see with the "naked" eye. 

For you to understand this you need to look at things from a spiritual things. I am not saying that wealthy people are devil worshippers, but there's a level and a manner in which they acquire their wealth. Some of these methods are portryed in movies but we say it's just a "movie".

The name of the movie I mentioned earlier is  "Megiddo" not sure about the spelling. Get yourself a copy and you"ll be amazed if you have not watched it already.

Niary
18 Jul 2012 10:42

I believe we dont have ryts to judge, but if u sing lyrics that link to the devil its bound to cause speculation....just do whats right in your own terms

Magical Baby
18 Jul 2012 10:45

Pls forgive my typos! fingers are still frozen. I meant to say look at things from a spiritual perspective. After all why do they always make signs that are associated with the devil. (Google this "satanic signs, satanic signs on the dollar bill)

By the way have you or anybody for that matter watched the movie "the devil's advocate"?

After all birds of the same feather flock together. Just saying

PruLuv
18 Jul 2012 10:46

Sorry @VusiK and G.A. I was bushed. Imma come back and read your comments. You guys are too learned for me to browse your comments. I must sit down and READ and educate myself. Lol

VusiK
18 Jul 2012 11:31

I have seen the devil's advocate .. It was my fav movie the year it was released.

PruLuv
18 Jul 2012 11:43

Just had someone message me about the dollar how it's linked to evil, check picture one on the article. Apparently "the more dollars you have the more evil you are." Strange stuff. So is Warren Buffet part of this society? Above everything the dollar has reserved the centre to the writting "IN GOD WE TRUST." Very odd...

PruLuv
18 Jul 2012 11:46

Gotta bounce... (Will be back)

Green.arrow
18 Jul 2012 13:09

Warren Buffet, Bill Clinton, Obama, they are all "part of the illuminati" Pruluv!. *yaaaawn*

PersiePtyLtd
19 Jul 2012 07:16

Is sad to know that some people can believe in kak yong. I really don't care if musicians are illuminati or not, whether it exist or not (who cares) as long as they produce good music for me to listen too

blueroze
19 Jul 2012 10:19

Illuminati is there, go research harder, but at the end of the day its like having faith in God, its either you do or dont. Its like believing that there is haeven and hell, some people dont believe in such. 
But research will give you more info, watch Zeitgest all movies, and always remember

the world, and all that is in it, is not what it seems to be when using a naked eye

TerryN
19 Jul 2012 11:09

whoever is spreading these lies about them is jus an unemployed lazy creepy paranoid old pervet man living in his mother house using his mother computer to spread kak on the internet to keep himself busy

*dies*

Trublu
19 Jul 2012 14:05

Hogwash, I still say. Evn after resding all your comments

bomyy
19 Jul 2012 14:09

not real, its all just one of those things to help pass time

*let  me going to read the article and comments*

PruLuv
24 Jul 2012 00:01

Thank you @Swazzy, @Magical Baby and @Bluerose for the references. One should check them out.

PruLuv
24 Jul 2012 00:07

It's interesting seeing all these different views. Well, obviously the truth will come out one day, it could even come out way after our times. *sigh*

PruLuv
24 Jul 2012 00:29

@VusiK and @G.A. Thanx for that insightful debate. @VusiK I just realised that I know about the Keynesian economics, I just didn't know the term. I've read up about the origins of credit, loaning, the credit card, money, etc. I found it rather intriguing.

LadyMay
24 Jul 2012 17:21

i know that you are done mara ngiyi silent blogga ende this topic got me thinkin a lot

LadyMay
24 Jul 2012 17:29

check this one - For the launch of Anja Rubiks new magazine, 25, photographer and director Barnaby Roper teamed up with Kanye West to make a video dedicated to the issues theme of eroticism. The result is, well, ummSatanic. I cant really find another way of describing it, because it is neither cool, nor fun or even interesting.

PruLuv
25 Jul 2012 20:32

@Ladymay - So what's the name of this magazine and where's this video?

LadyMay
27 Jul 2012 16:32

i donno, i read kwi intenet

PruLuv
30 Jul 2012 00:36

@LadyMay Ok shweet! OMW! It just registered that your name is a BBA name *hides*

charity sossi
12 Oct 2012 20:08

B liv it or not this  is a reality NO EXAGGERATIONS.


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