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Written by Cody from the blog Jehova-Nisi: TVSA Home Cell/Bible Study Group on 22 Oct 2009
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Being Saved does not mean


 
1. Living your life the way your "church" family dictates? 

2. Never stepping foot into a nightclub? 

3. Never having an alcoholic beverage? 

4. Living a life free of blemish, fault, blame, or mistakes? 

5. Being intolerant of other inabilities to live a life free of 
    blemish, fault, blame, or mistakes? 

6. Being able to recite ad nauseum any passage from any 
   book of the Bible at any time in order to feel holy in the 
   presence of others? 

7. Praying loudly, publicly, or incessantly for your miracle, for 
    divine intervention, or for intercedence? 

8. Having an elder in the church that is more immersed in holy 
    life pray on your behalf? 

9. Dressing in conservative clothes that hide your figure? 

10. Choosing an equally hypocritical mate?


Being saved does not mean that you have to live your life the way your church family says you should. It means that you live your life in submission to the will of God. No man may come to the Father but through the Son, so living to please others who are on the same journey as you is useless. That means that just because your pastor doesn't like your choice of mate does not mean you should love them any less.

Being saved does not mean you must adjudicate all fun from your life. The Bible says that we are to be the salt of the Earth. Salt has flavor! We are to live in the world, but, not be of it. As Christians, we should be able to go anywhere and have the light of God visible in our walk, talk, and countenance. That means even into a nightclub! Imagine that! As a true Christian, we could actually walk into a place that is not church and maintain the sacred Holy bond that we share with Jesus. Living a life that is Christ like doesn't mean that when you are in the presence of those who are not believers that you give up your faith. Our jobs are to glorify Him at all times, even when others may think it inappropriate. So guess what---you can go dancing, it is not a sin.

Being saved does not mean you may never take a drink. Proverbs warns us not to drink in excess because it makes us out to be fools. But, the Bible also says that a little wine is also good for the stomach. So yes, you may have a glass with lunch or dinner. The issue arises for human beings when we do things in excess. Balance is key. 

Being saved does not mean that you live a life free of any mistakes. Or that you must surround yourself with those that are so holy that they never make mistakes either. In fact, God made us fallible and therefore human so that we can depend on Him. Our idiosyncrasies and innate ability to make the wrong choice are precisely what we need Him for. Of course, one day we will be perfected in Christ's love, but, until then we are all in this place learning, slipping up, being human. None of us has the right to make any other human being feel ashamed for the pace at which each of us learns---which is primarily what mistakes and failures are---an opportunity to learn.

Being saved does not mean that you are saved because you know how to recite passages in the Bible. Almost everyone knows the words to Michael Jackson's "Beat It". Does that mean we are all pop stars? Learning, reading, and understanding the Bible is essential to applying its tenants in your daily life. But, randomly reciting passages in an attempt to establish spiritual superiority over another is an empty and fruitless attempt at making others believe that we are saved. And can eventually alienate another human being. The word of the Lord will never come back to Him unfulfilled or empty—but—our misuse of His word for our own glorification or gain can be a costly mistake.

Being saved does not mean praying where everyone can hear you. In the Bible, the Lord says that when we pray, we are to go into a room alone and open our hearts to God. We are not to pray incessantly. The Lord hears our petitions. He knows the desires of our hearts. Asking God for the same thing over and over again is to demonstrate that we do not have enough faith to believe he heard us the first time. It also says that we probably don't want to hear the answer he gave us. There are only 3 possible answers: "yes"," no", and "not yet". If the answer is yes, we usually know right away because the Lord will impart a calming peace on us letting us know the prayer is answered favorably. If the answer is no, most of us don't want to hear it and we pray again. If the answer is not yet—most of us don't want to hear that either. We want what we want and we usually want it right away. However, God is the potter and we are the clay. How then can the clay say to the potter, "what will you make me into?' The clay must simply do the job of being clay---not make the decision on the vessel it will become. Many times we will pray for a miracle or for intercedence and not understand that the miracle is the trial that we are undergoing. God has to use something to refine us and what better tool than fire? How else will we become the purest silver than by burning away the impurities? It is always what we fail to recognize that keeps us seeking answers to prayers that are already answered.

Being saved does not mean that you submit your will to that of your elders. Now don't get me wrong, the Bible says that gray hair is the crown of wisdom. So those that are aged should be respected. Their wisdom is definitely a resource that we should tap into. After all, only a fool has to learn everything by his own mistakes rather than learning from the mistakes and experiences of others. But—just being old does not make a person the fast track conduit to God. This, I can attest to personally. Many young believers think that they are not strong enough prayer warriors, that they cannot make the same impact through prayer that an elder who has been praying for 40 years can. But that is not so. God is no respecter of persons. That means that God does not base His love and mercy for you or I on anything that any earthly thing any of us have done. His is the highest love and He loves all of us. So know that each of us can go to Him in prayer. Mother so and so who is older than Methuselah does not have to do it for us. "Boldly approach the throne." 



Being saved does not mean that you must wear a nun's habit. Many Christians confuse being holy with looking holy. There is a definite difference. The Bible say to give no thought to what you will wear. That means that if you have nothing but club clothes in your closet but you wake up one morning feeling the call of the Lord on your life and you want to go to church---you should just go. Club clothes and all. Or if you like to dress up in bright colors and jewelry, then do it. God cares more about what is in your temple than what is on it. In that same regard, once the light of the Lord has manifested itself in you---you are bound to glorify His name in all that you do. This includes the way you dress! God gave all men and women each a unique look---an inner beauty. Our job is to tap into that so that we may be a beautiful, honest, and loving representation of God's purpose for the world. For some people that we will mean rocking the freshest hip hop gear, for some people that will mean wearing business suits and dresses. For some still, it will mean wearing an army uniform or an actual nun's habit. Whatever it is, it doesn't have to fit into a mold.

Being saved does not mean that you get with the person in church that appears to be the holiest and then you get saved by association. It doesn't work that way. Each of us must come to Him individually through His son Christ Jesus for our salvation. Sometimes, God will send us a mate that is not saved. Why? Because we may be the light that he or she needs to see how great God's love is. Sometimes, God will send us an unlikely mate---someone that we would never choose for ourselves, but who stretches our realm of thinking to the point that we start to see new possibilities about God. Many times, we as women stipulate to God what type of mate we want. We say that he must be saved, have a good job, be nice looking, have a desire to marry, etc. The truth is that even if God sent us this just as we asked for it---we may be too unappreciative or caught up in our own worlds to appreciate or recognize it. So guess what God does? He sends us real human beings that we must learn to love. He does not send us a fairy tale because that is not based in truth. And as we all know, He is the truth, the Way, and the Light. He sends us someone that will take an eternity to know—because who wants to be so with someone so predictable that we know exactly what they will do or say every hour, of everyday, forever? No, instead God sends us others like ourselves; imperfect human beings. So fooling ourselves into thinking that because a man says he is saved and is a deacon at the church and has a nice house and prays everyday that he must be the husband that God selected for us is yet another waste of time. My only advice on this is that if you don't look at your mate and smile inwardly at the fact that someone can love you so deeply, then maybe you are in the wrong relationship. I am by no means an expert on this….

Just for information nje, its because i agree with all that is stated above.....

Guys please note:::this was forwarded to me by a friend of mine,when she read some of the comments on TVSA on Philiswa's article, she sourced it from somewhere naye and thought it will cause a good debate, she just wants to know your views..... the author is unknown so please dont ask for the author




125 Comments

Mathaz
22 Oct 2009 13:27

Scipture says everything is permissable but not profitable.  Is it then profitable for me to go to church wearing a skimpy dress because God does not look on the outside?  We must respect our bodies as the temple of the Lord and also again just as you have mentioned that we are human beings, am i not enticing men with my skimpy clothes?

That means that just because your pastor doesn't like your choice of mate does not mean you should love them any less.  If my Pastor disapproves of my mate i would want to know why because I look to him for guidance and it could be that God has shown him something that i refused to see and believe all in the name of love.  My pastor is God's annointened and his word should carry more weight.

The alcohol issue, i would not comment on because it's a weakness of mine.

Being saved does not mean that you are saved because you know how to recite passages in the Bible.  I'm confused about this passage please clarify.  My understanding was that we are to meditate on the word day and night.  

There is a definite difference. The Bible say to give no thought to what you will wear.  My understanding of that scripture is that we should not doubt God's provision for us.  Not clothing as in the literal meaning of it.

God will send us a mate that is not saved. Why? Because we may be the light that he or she needs to see how great God's love is.  The Bible says that we should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers.  God does not mince his word about this one, if you intend to marry then you should marry someone who is born again so as to be the spriritual head of your family.  Please note that the both of you must be equally yoked i.e. share the same vision when it comes to finances, are you both into raising kids and how, your values, beliefs and traditions should be exact. 





Tholi
22 Oct 2009 13:36

((Is it then profitable for me to go to church wearing a skimpy dress because God does not look on the outside?))
BUT KE UMUST PRACTICE WHAT U PRITCH (ep)

 u dont have to tell me if u saved or not, i just have to see it by myself. the way u carry yourself. i would never take u as a saved person if i see u @ night clubs. what kind of a born again person is that??? u cant tell me about Jesus if u not carry yourself like him. noooooooo!!! I WANNA DRINK MY COFFEE IN A CLEAN CUP!!! awukwazi ukushumayela ivangeli if wena msalofu ungaziphathisi okomzalwane.

Best-Achiever
22 Oct 2009 14:12

Eish i have questions regarding the article at hand but manje la E TVSA, asking is same as being jedgemental, being holier than thou, they want us to be dump Christians. So im asking the permission from the author the right to ask?

Madamzee
22 Oct 2009 14:18

i dont agree with the skimpy clothes to church...but then i think its everyone's choice to wear what they want. i guess as the writer says....i think that is one blemish......lol

Living a life free of blemish, fault, blame, or mistakes?

You know Mathaz, ive been trying to understand the equally yoked and unequally yoked thing...does it mean that just because you are christian other people who are not christians dont deserve your love or they are not good enough?...isnt that judging. Please clarify?

and reciting scriptures is vital in a spiritual life..but i guess what i understand is that, anyone can know scpritures off by heart, but then not be doers(sp) of the word they know....or turn out to be the worst sinners...eg: the pharasees(sp)

Cody
22 Oct 2009 14:26

let me clarify before my  head gets bitten off, nna my job on the blog is to post anything that people want me to post.....and i think its fair to lead each other in a good direction if they believe in wrong things, one never ceases to learn as a christian......

there is this lady that forward me this when she read some of the comments on TVSA, she sourced it from somewhere naye and thought it will be a good debate, she is a friend. Lemme ask her to register......


Cody
22 Oct 2009 14:29

LMAO BA, go ahead, judge all you want, after all, the purpose of this blog is to advise where one goes wrong..

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2009 14:29

At fisrt sight without scrutinising...i also agree with evreything here. Thanx Cody.
Im sure there is space for meat to be added and im looking forward. Ke go gola.....

One and Only
22 Oct 2009 14:34

Dear Author

Please go back to the drawing board because it seems like you don't know the meaning of being saved/born again and it's people like yourself who give a bad name to Christianity and other religions.

3. Never having an alcoholic beverage? Alcohol is prohibited in all the religions as far as I'm concerned so yes being born again means you don't drink period.

9. Dressing in conservative clothes that hide your figure? Once again you are wrong being saved should go hand in hand with the way you wear, all the Prophet s from Abraham to Jesus Christ (Peace be upon Them) never wore anything that showed their figure. Let me know if you know their 6 packs.

I actually feel glad that I'm not a Christian and born again if this is what means to be born again. 

You forget to state that these are your opinions not facts.




Sslave
22 Oct 2009 14:38

2 long

LMAO @ six packs

mathata
22 Oct 2009 14:39

i warn you for the last time,next time i will sue you...tvsa...LMAO,how many times do you delete my articles,i want to save bloggers from hell...LOL

i think this time he/she won this.

i heard  that JOEL Osteen will be in JHB this weekend,guys this men ,his fabulous,you feel  will like God is talks  to you .

to be honest...tumelo e thata.

Cody
22 Oct 2009 14:41

LMAO at six packs...lenna 1 and only i dont agree with dressing promiscuosly when going to church.....

Tshilo
22 Oct 2009 14:41

it wuld be nice if u can give us the verses/chapter so that we know where u quote this from.

Cody
22 Oct 2009 14:42

Aa Thata's, who deletes your blogs mare? i would love to read your blogs hle! i've been waiting for them for too long......

mathata
22 Oct 2009 14:43

hm.

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2009 14:46

On the clothes issue,
I havent bee to one of the churches im very fond off in almots 2 years now because i was told i must wear a skirt...which i dont like. interseting thing is that untill i was asked "dont you have skirts sister", i wasnt even aware that i was the only girl wearing pants. And even todate i havent been convictee otherwise about my pants. Bcos i know that i wear my pants in a decent manner. And i feel ridiculous having to ask whether because certain pple cover themsleves all over measn they are leading achristlike life....even realtive to little old me.
So out of respect for the church rules, whe i go there..i dorn my skirts and cant wait to take'em off when i get home.

If this is gonna be one those religious debates were people will be decoding scripture, im gonna stick to my convictions. Thank God for the new covenant in our hearts that teaches us what is wrong and right without the next person mentioning it. Convictions in everything not just regharding clothes.

mathata
22 Oct 2009 14:51

@cody,NO! i cant threaten TVSA.i think the person who wrote this.he/she is the one who was saying those words.

it seems like she post it ,n they delete it,and it was not the first time she post it,she lost it n she started to Tiger with words.

No honey it cost a lot to sue ppl.

FK
22 Oct 2009 14:52

Thanks Cody for posting this.

I have read the article, do I understand nor agree? it is something else.

1. Living your life the way your "church" family dictates? 
As a christian we belong to A church.  Now, that church has a way of doing things (policies and procedures) and in most cases, those things are aligned with what the bible says.  We need to take cognisance of that.  If you do not believe in what your church promotes, why are you still in that church? 

2. Never stepping foot into a nightclub? 
“Do not copy the behavior and customs of this world, but let God transform you into a new person by changing the way you think. Then you will know what God wants you to do . . 

3. Never having an alcoholic beverage? 
Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted by sin. It is drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from.  However, due to the biblical concerns regarding alcohol and its effects, due to the easy temptation to consume alcohol in excess, and due to the possibility of causing offense and/or stumbling of others, it is usually best for a Christian to abstain entirely from drinking alcohol.

I will carry on a bit later.

Best-Achiever
22 Oct 2009 14:53

Thank you Cody, lemme get a cup of Rooibos with lemon, then respond

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2009 14:54

nd with teachings and convictions hopefully she will understand what her body being the temple means. A point i see in the article.

One and Only
22 Oct 2009 14:56

Cody this is one of the reasons why I quit being born again, I can't concentrate on praying and praising God when the women next to me are showing g-strings and cleavages.

In God's eyes we are all equal, I couldn't understand why some people are reserved first row seats and served juice during congregation.

If you are still into clubs then please don't waste your time, you are not born again. Mzalwane khetha izulu kunokomhlaba ngoba okomhlaba kuyendlula.

4. Living a life free of blemish, fault, blame, or mistakes: Being born again is an ongoing process and you shouldn't be committing sins that you were committing 2 years back. Everybody around you should notice some changes.

Mathaz
22 Oct 2009 15:01

You know Mathaz, ive been trying to understand the equally yoked and unequally yoked thing...does it mean that just because you are christian other people who are not christians dont deserve your love or they are not good enough?...isnt that judging. Please clarify? 

My understanding of that scripture is that if you are born again you should not in any terms marry someone who is not.  Remember the husband is to be the sipritual head of his family just as Christ is the head of the church.  How is he going to be the head if he does not have a relationship with God let alone know him?  We are to bring up our kids according ot the word of God and if both parents are not on the same spiritual level it becomes a problem, conflict arises but it's better when challenges arise the both of you can kneel down and pray rather than one patner.  If you really really want to experience why marriage is from God then you must marry a man who puts God first , respects and fears the Lord.  Not that unbelievers are not worthy of your love, remember God is love.

Cody
22 Oct 2009 15:03

Jesus drank wine with His disciples at the Passover (Luke 22:15-18)
                                               and 
He even turned the water into wine at the wedding feast at Cana (John 2:1-11)


I dont see a problem with alchohol if it is drank in moderation. 


When it comes to mate issues...lemme think about it  carefully because it is very close to my heart.

FK
22 Oct 2009 15:07

The Bible say to give no thought to what you will wear. 

You are so taking this out of context.  Please read the whole passage and you will understand what Jesus was talking about.  Just to help - this passage is found Luke 12 -  The Parable of the Rich Fool

Best-Achiever
22 Oct 2009 15:08

 There are things is here that i real dont understand

Being saved does not mean that you have to live your life the way your church family says you should

... The first promise that we find in the bible is the fruit of Respect. The church and elders are there to guid us, the only time you can disagree with them is when they tell you to do things that doesnt confirm with the Bible with what God says. 

About clothing.
 Whatever we do whatever we were we must wear things that will temp others make them fall into sin, we are encoraged to carry ourself in a respectful manner.

Being saved does not mean you must adjudicate all fun from your life

Tho Cody .. lemme stop here, there are many things that i feel have been taken out of context, i will say this again It helps to read the whole scripture understand how the verse came about.

You forget to state that these are your opinions not facts
I concur with One and Only

Da Diva
22 Oct 2009 15:10

Hi if unguMZALWANE there iz no nid ukuty usitshele,asikubone coz da bible sayz ngiyakushiza konke ngimlandele uJesu. Though each and every church has got it policies bt THOLI u are rite my love u kufanele senze lokhu Esikushumayeza abantu. U cant say u are a born again then ugqoke amaskiny jeans nama low cut jeans. HLONIPHEKA MZALWANE!!! I dont expect 2 c a bornagain in a nite Club.

Cande
22 Oct 2009 15:10

LMAO!!!! hahahha @ the woman showing g-strings & cleavages

FK
22 Oct 2009 15:15

there is this lady that forward me this when she read some of the comments on TVSA, she sourced it from somewhere naye and thought it will be a good debate, she is a friend

Yes Cody, she sourced it somewhere, she is not the writer and these are not her opinions.  So whatever questions we might have, will never be clarified.  I don't see this being a good debate without the writer to defend or clarify.

This work belongs to one 
Ayoka: Single, Sassy, Sexy, Stunner!!!!!
35 / Female
Sacramento, California, US 

This Ayoka lady has her own reasons why she wrote this, so I think i will silent blog this article.

Cody
22 Oct 2009 15:15

Tho Cody .. lemme stop here, there are many things that i feel have been taken out of context, i will say this again It helps to read the whole scripture understand how the verse came about. 


dont stop BA, raise your views BA, lol phela you should put things into context if they are out of context, that is how people learn and dont apologise for telling people how you view things..dont apologise...

I am more interested in this mate issue, and nobody seems to touch it...someone please do...

Cody
22 Oct 2009 15:19

Thanks FK for finding the author....lemme slot her in....akere she wants to hear your views hawu? and i think it is causing a debate on its own without Ayoka.....then again there is nothing wrong with being silent.

blueroze
22 Oct 2009 15:19

In God's eyes we are all equal, I couldn't understand why some people are reserved first row seats and served juice during congregation
yena ntsena>>>>kante wena o batla juice
kwa kwa kwa wakwaa kwa kwakwa

Best-Achiever
22 Oct 2009 15:21

Tomorrow, Cody, lets continue the debate tomorrow ... need to rush somewhere

Tshilo
22 Oct 2009 15:27

Cody ur doing a gr8 job by quoting the bible i appreciate it.

Tshilo
22 Oct 2009 15:29

Cody ur doing a gr8 job by quoting the bible i appreciate it.

Madamzee
22 Oct 2009 15:29

Mathaz i hear you, kodwa sisi, what does it mean to be equally yoked?kanti does it mean to be married? 

okay comming to the marriage issue, what if your husband to be usonta ezion (not zcc)? phela lapho they use umuthi they use amaropes, they believe that wearing a red and green rope will protect you from evil spirits or whatever and bayathandaza as well, and wena then you find that wena ungumzalwane, does it mean you cant pray together because you are of different faiths?

Ms. Jay
22 Oct 2009 15:33

opinions that appear to be facts are dangerous esp to the unbeliever and those young in the Lord.

I have heard it all and this is not a surprise - please sisi, dont take things out of context to suit your sin, if you are caught up in sin its easy to justify that sin even using scriptures.

I will not comment any further as there is no point in debating the Word of God - what He says goes, the standards He set are plain and simple and speak for themselves, I just pray that the eyes reading this article may be enlightened to see the Word of God as it is. May no leg stumble as a result of this article in Jesus name, Amen.

Cody is this person from End time message church by any chance?

Ms. Jay
22 Oct 2009 15:37

Never mind, FK just mentioned who she was.....

Green.arrow
22 Oct 2009 15:44

Cody
22 Oct 2009 15:51

opinions that appear to be facts are dangerous esp to the unbeliever and those young in the Lord. 

Hi Ms Jay.....*waving like a loony* where have you been??

Very true Ms Jay, and that is why we need imput from those who are not young in the Lord to lead those who are young into the right path when such an article arises. Just like you guys did kanna ,when i wrote that first article that lead to this homecell, , now  i know a lot of things because you guys and this homecell.

i dont know which church this person is from girl.her name is Ayoka..

_____________


We are to bring up our kids according ot the word of God and if both parents are not on the same spiritual level it becomes a problem, conflict arises

I agree with you Mathaz on the underlined, because now, i have a friend who is a christian, she is involved with a guy who's mother and brother are sangomas, now she is worried about what this guy practices and their future together, although he is a very nice person that treats her extremly well and respects her belief not to engage in certain things as a christian,she cant help but be paranoid about this guy, now especially because he wants to get married, she asks herself how she will deal with the family, how the kids will be raised and stuff like that, although when she discusses these issues with the guy the guy says the kids will not practice what is done at his home. Is it possible mare to pursue that kind of a relationship and not encouter problems along the way?

Mathaz
22 Oct 2009 15:52

Do not be unequally yoked in my knowledge applies to any relationship that one might have with an unbeliever.  It does not only refer to marriage.  My point is if you and your patner differ on the things of God then you should not under no circumstance marry.  If for some reason your beliefs are not the same even if one the both of you attend church then there will always be conflict.  The two spirits will forever be in conflict and God dwells where there is order.  The bottom line marry someone who'll push the agenda of God in your family, who is spiritually strong.  In all fairnesss pastors should not even marry people who are not born again or if one patner is born again.  Why do you think people say that marriage is hard?  

If both of you know the Lord and there is condlict the word is able to convict the guilty party and one is able to forgive without holding any grudges. 

kiki X
22 Oct 2009 15:55

Kanti vele,what is being BORN AGAIN??? Mna i dont understand it at all....

One and Only
22 Oct 2009 16:04

The arrogance and disrespect displayed by most Christians towards God always saddens me.

You find people entering the house of God with their shoes on but when you visit their homes they will tell you straight to leave your shoes outside, why?

You know what people you must not change or quote verses from the bible that suit your lifestyle, being born again is the most difficult thing in the world but you will reap the rewards after death.

U Ayoka lo masengikhuluma iqiniso uyasibhoshela lento ayikhulumayo idukisa izwe, utshwala noMvelingqangi akuhlangani noma ungabuza mina ngizokutshela.

Madamzee
22 Oct 2009 16:06

thank you Mathaz, i really appreciate you coming back to me all the time.okay, thanks. So me being a person who has friends and family members that are not born again, does that mean i should not associate with them now that i am a christian? 

if my mother has a father who still practices amasiko (lets say they met before my mother was born again), does it mean my mother should divorce him now? i know there is a scripture regarding this, saying that the husband will be sanctified through the wife(or something to that effect) but how does that happen, when the husband still goes to inyanga and practices amasiko? 

i am not questioning the word of God, because i know what he says is it, it does not change i just want clarity....

sometimes i feel that "some" christians are too judgmental, especially when it comes to people who are not born again or who dont attend born again churches, they sometimes give me the impression of them being good enough and more deserving than others, and other people not being good enough and less deserving. 

Cande
22 Oct 2009 16:07

awusakhulume nje malangeni 1&0, i dont like it when i dont understand you

Cody
22 Oct 2009 16:10

You find people entering the house of God with their shoes on but when you visit their homes they will tell you straight to leave your shoes outside, why? because o tlatsa di tshila  ka mo ntlung one and only LOL!!!

ms.tebby
22 Oct 2009 16:14




You find people entering the house of God with their shoes on but when you visit their homes they will tell you straight to leave your shoes outside, why? >>>people are supposed to take off shoes at church?!?!?!






nice
22 Oct 2009 16:16

1. Living your life the way your "church" family dictates? 
As Christians, we belong to the church which is defined as the body of God, the church's rules are based on the bible which is the book of life, so by protocol when the church follows the bible, you should let it dictate your life because it will be the Word that will be dictating in your life. If anyone in the family is in contradiction with what the bible says, then yes you dont have to live your life the way in which they dictate just because they are older. 
As an infant you are told and learn everything as it is without questioning and as you mature, you are given the ability to read and seek the truth yourself which is available in the bible, and to understand it you converse with people that are of the same body/church that you belong in, it is the same with Christian life.

2. Never stepping foot into a nightclub? 
Problem here is not the walls of the building, I can buy a night club and convert it to a church and that wont mean that Christians wont come into that church. the problem I have with nightclubs are not the walls , but things that are done in there. People get drunk , and tend to swear, be promiscuos, and all other things that clash with my faith and beliefs, hence I avoid nightclubs.

3. Never having an alcoholic beverage? 
Dont get drunk, and be sure that your drinking will not let anyone fall into sin.

4. Living a life free of blemish, fault, blame, or mistakes? 
We all make mistakes and faults, the difference is repentance. Once you repent you do not do the same mistakes.

5. Being intolerant of other inabilities to live a life free of
blemish, fault, blame, or mistakes?
 
yes, but ke if they refuse to leave their faults, you can dust your feet and clothes and move on.

6. Being able to recite ad nauseum any passage from any
book of the Bible at any time in order to feel holy in the
presence of others?
 
Christianity is not about reciting, is about living the word. Is how you live your life, and not how you say you live your life. Actions not words, is the best way to recite passages from the bible. it does help to know the scriptures as someone may need to hear them at a certain point, and if you are able to recite and quote it to the soul that needs it, you would have done a great deal. But first doing is more important that reciting, and most importantly yous houl know what to recite when. It will not be of any use when a person comes to you and tells you that he is hungry, you turn around and recite that God says if a man lives on God's word he shall not starve as the Lord is the provider, that is reciting the scripture at the wrong time, and becomes fruitless and useless.

7. Praying loudly, publicly, or incessantly for your miracle, for
divine intervention, or for intercedence?
 
The keyword here is loudly and publicly, where do you choose to shout out loud? but praying for a miracle, divine intervention and all is encouraged and recommended for a Christian, add worship to that. 

8. Having an elder in the church that is more immersed in holy
life pray on your behalf? 
For this part I can refer to the different spiritual gifts that we are blessed with, some people are gifted more than other, we do not have the same gifts and talents and it is the responsibility of those that are gifted to help those that are less gifted.

9. Dressing in conservative clothes that hide your figure? 
Level of comfort for you and other people, if what you wear will make other people sin then you are guilty in the Lord's eyes.

10. Choosing an equ

ms.tebby
22 Oct 2009 16:16




         me is lazy to read the whole article...im just on the replies





Cody
22 Oct 2009 16:18

lol nice, i thot it will be good to clarfy somethings to help those who are young in the lord

GML
22 Oct 2009 16:19

@Madamzee

Q: What is the definition of equally yoked?


Answer

I think to answer your question it would help to understand what an unequal yoke is. II Corinthians 6:14 tells us to not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers.
In the Bible days when people would plow their fields they would use an equal yoke. Which simply meant they would use two oxen, or two cows, two mules, etc... It was an equal yoke so the animals would pull a straight line. If you put an ox and a mule together it would be crooked.
Christians are not to yoke together with unbelievers. That doesn't mean that we are supposed to shut everyone out of our life that isn't a Christian, but it means that those closest to us should be of the same faith that we are.

Also don't think that God is concerned about whether you marry a rich man/woman or what ever other social reason. God is not concerned about any of this and this is a misunderstanding about being unequally yoked. God is concerned about your faith first and foremost.

This was taken from WikiAnswers

GML
22 Oct 2009 16:28

@mathaz- your definition was correct.


what is yoked??

a yoke is a harness that is attached to an animal in order for them to pull something (a carriage, a plow, a sled) in order for you to be equally yoked your union with another should depict just this, pulling in the same direction. when two oxen are yoked together it is in such a way where neither one is carrying more of the burden than the other, in unity. this is important in a relationship that is going to be successful with each other as well as with raising children sharing the same morals and values.

Mathaz
22 Oct 2009 16:36

Well one should always engage God in arrears that are not really clear to one's life. Madamzee you do not like disown them but exercise caution and wisdom with them eg, i'm born again but when my relatives have these traditional ceremonies where they will slaughter the cows or whatever, I know that i'm not to eat that food that is dedicated to the ancestors but i will attend that event.  I will not in any way participate in them giving glory to their gods.

my mother has a father who still practices amasiko (lets say they met before my mother was born again), does it mean my mother should divorce him now? i know there is a scripture regarding this, saying that the husband will be sanctified through the wife(or something to that effect) but how does that happen, when the husband still goes to inyanga and practices amasiko? God hates divorce and he says that we should not divorce our patners for we do not know if they will be saved because of us uneless if the unbelieving husband wants a divorce then the wife can set him free.  1 Corintians 7 talks about the sanctification of the unbelieving patner.  If the wife becomes born again after the marriage she should consistently pray for her husband to be be saved.  Hard as it may be the believing wife is able to win her husband over to Christ through her actions and love towards the husband.  If she prays she should potray her whole family as sinners rather than her husband alone as a sinner.  You shall have whatsover ye say so if one patner is a sinner when you pray thank God for changin them and tell him that you know he is doing something in them and you know he will use  them for his purpose someday. If your husband is a drunkard you thank God that the addiction is gone and the yoke of alochol is destroyed in his life and that he is a sober minded man.  You say things that are not as if they were and you will surely see results. 

babetm
22 Oct 2009 16:39

eish this is too long , i'll come back and read

mstick
22 Oct 2009 16:42

LOL @ the six pack

nice
22 Oct 2009 17:41

Thanks GML and Mathaz, you have opened my eyes to a new thing. 

Bye peeps

Cody
22 Oct 2009 19:06

ya! Im proud of bloggers.it is good to learn

realist
23 Oct 2009 07:05

this is one of the reasons why I quit being born again, I can't concentrate on praying and praising God when the women next to me are showing g-strings and cleavages.
Don’t regret, it is tough being a man and you could not help since women are carrying the food that men will leave without. No offence to the born again.

One and Only
23 Oct 2009 07:31

Cody, Mathaz, GML, Nice and Co I have questions I would like answered regarding christianism. Please indicate if are available to interact and shed some light?

Most of the Christians I've come across become aggressive when their religion is questioned, Watch Towers are worst they always skip my house even if I invite them in.

The Bible ambiguity is also one of the reasons I'm not a Christian, everybody interprets it differently and The Old Testament is now disregarded because of the New Testament! What will happen to the New Testament when one of your Scholars like King James decide to add the Original Testament now?

Lbg
23 Oct 2009 07:45

I just want to thank the author for a couple of things bought up here which most  poeple i quite unclear to and to the bloggers thanks for your informative answers.Trully thankfull for have been enlightened...

Best-Achiever
23 Oct 2009 08:17

Wel put Mathaz and GML

GML
23 Oct 2009 08:37

@1 and Only.

I do not know what would happen is our scholars such as king James would decide to add to the original testament.

I would think that would cause unnecessary tension and controversy, more than there is now. And I would like to think that to avoid Christianity being questioned more than what it is today, such a travesty would be avoided. If not completely crushed.

I sure hope it does. If not questions such as who has the power change the bible? Or What is the real truth now would certainly come to surface again. Already Christianity is not clear of controversy and that would destroy Christianity as it were. My opinion though.

No one can say fore sure what would happen.I would ask questions and maybe even be discouraged in the faith due to such.

Does it make me a bad person? May be may be not. I would make a based on what I have read and what I believe to be true. I hope this answers your question

Ms. Jay
23 Oct 2009 09:01

Most of the Christians I've come across become aggressive when their religion is questioned, you would be too if you strongly believed something, when the focal point of your life and love is questioned or undermined its a natural instinct to become "defensive" others call it aggressiveness....its like when Jesus overturned tables in His Fathers temple, the pple had turned the house of the Lord into a commercial circus, to the average mind that would look like He was just being aggressive but He was challegning those underminded His Fathers Holy temple...its the same with faith, not religion - there is a difference BTW.

Watch Towers are worst they always skip my house even if I invite them in. be glad that they skip your house, some of their doctrine is not sound, if you studied their doctrine against the bible in its fullness you will understand what I mean.

The Bible ambiguity is also one of the reasons I'm not a Christian, that shouldnt have stopped you, how did you become born again? coz someone preached something that tickled your ear/doctrine or becoz you were grateful to Jesus and remorseful for the state of your life? Christaninty is an individual walk not group effort, if the crowd is all going down the wrong road will you follow? no you would find the right road and try to stick to it, & with the bible the only way to do that is to read for yourself and ask the HS for wisdom and understanding - if you get it wrong that way then you have a case against God - James1:5; 16-17

everybody interprets it differently and The Old Testament is now disregarded, the OT should not be disregarded as it was fortellin the arrival of our Messiah; should it be disregarded then that doctrine is not sound and profitable....

because of the New Testament! 

What will happen to the New Testament when one of your Scholars like King James decide to add the Original Testament now? which original testament do you refer to One and only? If you are referring to books like Noah - I fogot the name given to those books then you need to study bible canoncity, some of those books are thoughts of man and were not written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, how do I know this, well if you read them you will see that they speak from the mind of a man - like a diary and there is no reference from them to others, like how you can see a flow from Genesis to Revelation, what is spoken about for e.g. in Isaiah you will find in Matthew, Mark, Luke, the letters to the Corinthians etc...

Above all, remember Pauls charge to Timothy in

2 Timothy 3:16 - 4:1-5 (NIV)

16. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking,
correcting and training in righteousness, 

17. so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
4: 
1. In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living
and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you
this charge:
2. Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct,
rebuke and encourage--with great patience and careful instruction.
3. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a
great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
4. They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.
5. But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the
work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry. 

Fight the good fight of faith; so that like Paul we may receive our crown of righteouness, which Christ will award those who have perservered.....that charge still stands<

Ms. Jay
23 Oct 2009 09:07

sorry to budge in One and only? I know you hadnt addressed me but I just felt the urge to try and explain a few things the way I understood them - I hope I answered you in a manner that will encourage to resume the good fight of faith and not assume that I was condeming you -

cleve
23 Oct 2009 09:32

Watch Towers are worst they always skip my house even if I invite them in. be glad that they skip your house, some of their doctrine is not sound, if you studied their doctrine against the bible in its fullness you will understand what I mean. \

Please let us know what that is? What makes YOU think that theirs is not sound?
It's just a question.

Guys what about our ancesterol beliefs as africans. There is only one thing that I don't understand about being born again. Why is it condemned? Sangoma's are like medical doctors to me, instead they use herbs to help you. Please someone care to teach a lady.........

Phikza
23 Oct 2009 09:43

U cant say u are a born again then ugqoke amaskiny jeans nama low cut jeans.
Da Diva, whats wrong with wearing skinny jeans and low cut jeans(if you wear them with a decent top)???

Thanks Cody...still reading replies and dont agree with some of the things written in the article

Cody
23 Oct 2009 09:47

Ms Jay, thank you for your response, maybe the word "debate" was not such a good word to use, because i would assume that to you "debate" means questioning the bible, whereas to her it would mean a "discussion", you know sekgowa maan, se difficult...LOL!

Thank you so much guys, everyone even one & only and the person that wrote this article, and the person that brought up this article, i am sure there are people who are in the same boat as them and teaching them where they are wrong builds their character and makes them think differently. and by teaching we are fulfilling one of the duties of a disciple...and i am sure that God is proud of us....


and Ms Jay is right, when she says... it helps to read the bible for yourself and ask for wisdom for, John 14:26 says "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you" and surely the holy spirit will lead you to the right direction.

Nna personally ka nama, I have learned so much especially with things that were not that clear to me. especially the spouse issue.

Thank you so much, for me and few other people who have said that they are enlightened the article served its purpose, .....love you guys!!!

NB: i am not closing the article, those with further questions are most welcome.

One and Only
23 Oct 2009 10:03

Why is there so many churches with different names under Christianity? Why can't you have one church just like the other religions?

The other thing is that all Christians worship do not worship God but Phophet Jesus (Peace be upon Him) because Christianity was only established after He died. What was the main religion before Jesus was born? Answer: Judaism founded by Juda! Before Juda was born? What religion were Phophets Adam, Abraham, Moses (Peace be upon them) etc following?

All Christians can't explain the Trinity thing, the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit! You can't be a father and at the same time be the son, can you really give birth to yourself?

One last thing is that Christianity is not suitable and doesn't accomodate Black people as it requires you to abandon your culture & tradition once you have accepted it. Jesus Christ was born a Jew, He lived a Jewish life, did Jewish traditions like circumcision and when He died He died as a King of Jews.

This guy has a traceable family tree known even by yourself whereas you don't know yours. He is a son of David, David the son of ................ etc! But you are being told that your ancestors are demons and devils.

Sslave
23 Oct 2009 10:14

Di Ad tse tsa DSTV mo TVSA di a nkgadisa. Ke kgalletse ice cream now, eish!

Green.arrow
23 Oct 2009 10:18

Madamzee
23 Oct 2009 10:28

she should consistently pray for her husband to be be saved. Hard as it may be the believing wife is able to win her husband over to Christ through her actions and love towards the husband. If she prays she should potray her whole family as sinners rather than her husband alone as a sinner. You shall have whatsover ye say so if one patner is a sinner when you pray thank God for changin them and tell him that you know he is doing something in them and you know he will use them for his purpose someday. If your husband is a drunkard you thank God that the addiction is gone and the yoke of alochol is destroyed in his life and that he is a sober minded man. You say things that are not as if they were and you will surely see results. 

Thank you Mathaz and i am loving your responses...girl you are so matured about this. now lets say you have a partner that wants to get married to you, he treats you well, does not force you to commit sin, he respects your beliefs, does not interfere with the work that you do for the Lord, he has not yet gotten to the point where he has confessed that Jesus christ is his Lord and saviour, dont you think its noble for the believing partner to pray for the unsaved partner to be saved? just like you stated with the husband and wife? or lento ihamba. kanjani?

its is just so hard to get a christian partner who is not attached, plus there are only a few single men who come to church, most of the guys at church have their own girlfriends, others are married, some of them are force by their wives to come to church, most of those that are not married are living a lie, they also play with your heart just like the ones that are not saved. So if you get a person who is treating you like a queen and not noble isnt it better to pray to God and ask that he saves him?

Zah000
23 Oct 2009 10:40

I love this:

You say things that are not as if they were and you will surely see results. 

GML
23 Oct 2009 10:50

Madamzee.

My hubby and I were completely different- still are.

He never went to church when i first met him. He knew however, that I will not sacrifice my Sundays because they were reserved for church.

The only thing that he said to me is that he does not need to go to church in order for him to have a relationship with God. He has his relationship with God and he lives his life as best as he could.

I founf comfort in knowing that he does believe in God but just in a different way.

That is the important thing to remember about relationships. If you respect each other well enough and put the foundation of your relationship in open communication praying for him will be easy because you will understand where he is coming from. consequently he will try to understand your need and meet you halfway.

We have decided that there are important things at my church that we do and will not compromise on those, he agreed to that and promised to accompany me to those events.

Same thing applies for me, I let him pick a church for us to go to (just so we can worship together).

What I'm trying to say is that pray for your partner no matter what.
My hubby would not go to church but I can proudly say he doesn't mind leaving me behind to go to church. I prayed that he would go to church etc (I didnt pray that he go to my church though).
Pray that he may see the light. dont pray so that he may do what you want when you want it to happen

kiki X
23 Oct 2009 10:54

Reply from: One and Only? 10/23/2009 4:03:29 PM


Why is there so many churches with different names under Christianity? Why can't you have one church just like the other religions?

The other thing is that all Christians worship do not worship God but Phophet Jesus (Peace be upon Him) because Christianity was only established after He died. What was the main religion before Jesus was born? Answer: Judaism founded by Juda! Before Juda was born? What religion were Phophets Adam, Abraham, Moses (Peace be upon them) etc following?

All Christians can't explain the Trinity thing, the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit! You can't be a father and at the same time be the son, can you really give birth to yourself?

One last thing is that Christianity is not suitable and doesn't accomodate Black people as it requires you to abandon your culture & tradition once you have accepted it. Jesus Christ was born a Jew, He lived a Jewish life, did Jewish traditions like circumcision and when He died He died as a King of Jews.

This guy has a traceable family tree known even by yourself whereas you don't know yours. He is a son of David, David the son of ................ etc! But you are being told that your ancestors are demons and devils.



@ One & Only for the 1st time on TVSA i think you are making sense to me. I really dont understand these things at times.I grew up in a mixed , my mother is christian ( Methodist ) and my dad (R.I.P ) was rastafarian hard core from Jamaica.Not once did he force my mum to convert to been Rastafarian.He respected her religion and she respected his. As children we were just going with the flow..lol, Going to church with mum and also practising dad's one whenever we are with the other side of the family.As we grew up our parents never forced us into any religion all they said was we will have to decide on our own wether we want to be christian or rastafarian all they will do is expose us to both. All 4 of us till today havent made a choice yet.....and i dont think we ever will.I read my bible, pray  to God, communicate with Ras Tafari go to church even when i am wearing my rasta outfit...it works for me.

Zah000
23 Oct 2009 11:07

Very true @ GML

Lex
23 Oct 2009 11:16

Eish ya ne,sometimes...

tracy
23 Oct 2009 11:18

me is lazy to read the whole article...im just on the replies---------I m with you gal just reading the replies too

One and Only
23 Oct 2009 11:18

Ms Jay the Bible is also the thought of men if not we wouldn't have so many versions from different people, if God had written/ inspired it would not have been changed.

I guess I'm not gonna get any answers from my fellow Christian Bloggers as they have suddenly dissappeared like dew in the morning and I will take that as having doubts about your religion.

Let me clarify something: 

If you fall under ZCC you don't worship God but the Lekganyane Brothers.
Shember Church worship Shembe not God
Rhema Church worship Ray not God
Christ Embassy follows Chris.

And many more the list is endless, if these guys are not present you would hear people saying I'm not going to church this Sunday because so & so is in America attending conference.

Empress Kiki X I have nothing but respect for the Rastas, those people are sincere and humble I have learnt a lot from them while I was staying in Knysna. Jah guide, Jah saves and Jah protect.

But now I submit to no one but God.



Cody
23 Oct 2009 11:26

LOL One & Only......

lets not degrade other people's churches and see them as useless and not having God in them, that is for God to judge not you, let them believe whatever they want to believe and then you believe what you want to believe, after all its between you and God. 

one & only are you saying that, people worship their pastors and not God?

Mathaz
23 Oct 2009 11:30

Madamzee hope GML's response has shed some light.  When you pray for a patner ask for a God ordained patner for you rather than the man that you are with for he may treat you good but may not be the patner that God wants for you.  If you are already inlove with this man ask God if he is the one for you then it will be up to you if you would want to continue seeing him if God says no, God says he has set before us life and death therefore choose life.

One and Only Well I call him my personal saviour, my Lord and my King.  I know that Jesus was Jewish and Judaism was not found by Juda, Juda is one of the 12 tribes of Israel.  Adam was the first man and therefore worshipped God.  Abraham's forefatehrs worshipped the moon and other idols but God called him out and he made a covenant with him and made him a father of many nations.  The Jewish people are direct descedants of Abraham and we are also the seed of Abraham spiritually.  Moses is Jewish and worshipped God even though he was in the land of Pharoah, he knew no god but God.

I'm certain that there are bloggers who can explain the ttrinity so well but my informaion on that is limited so i will not comment on it.  I do believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

I know for a fact that my late dad cannot plead my case to God whilst Jesus intercedes on our behalf.  God is strict about worshiping other gods but him.

Mathaz
23 Oct 2009 11:31

Madamzee hope GML's response has shed some light.  When you pray for a patner ask for a God ordained patner for you rather than the man that you are with for he may treat you good but may not be the patner that God wants for you.  If you are already inlove with this man ask God if he is the one for you then it will be up to you if you would want to continue seeing him if God says no, God says he has set before us life and death therefore choose life.

One and Only Well I call him my personal saviour, my Lord and my King.  I know that Jesus was Jewish and Judaism was not found by Juda, Juda is one of the 12 tribes of Israel.  Adam was the first man and therefore worshipped God.  Abraham's forefatehrs worshipped the moon and other idols but God called him out and he made a covenant with him and made him a father of many nations.  The Jewish people are direct descedants of Abraham and we are also the seed of Abraham spiritually.  Moses is Jewish and worshipped God even though he was in the land of Pharoah, he knew no god but God.

I'm certain that there are bloggers who can explain the ttrinity so well but my informaion on that is limited so i will not comment on it.  I do believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.

I know for a fact that my late dad cannot plead my case to God whilst Jesus intercedes on our behalf.  God is strict about worshiping other gods but him.

kiki X
23 Oct 2009 11:31

Reply from: One and Only? 10/23/2009 5:18:20 P

If you fall under ZCC you don't worship God but the Lekganyane Brothers.
Shember Church worship Shembe not God
Rhema Church worship Ray not God
Christ Embassy follows Chris.

lol....... One & Only i am with you on this one, i couldnt have said it better myself...I must admit,you are on fire today. I feel you.

Lex
23 Oct 2009 11:35

GML are you sure you are not me???
He knew however, that I will not sacrifice my Sundays because they were reserved for church.

The only thing that he said to me is that he does not need to go to church in order for him to have a relationship with God. He has his relationship with God and he lives his life as best as he could.

I founf comfort in knowing that he does believe in God but just in a different way.

That is the important thing to remember about relationships. If you respect each other well enough and put the foundation of your relationship in open communication praying for him will be easy because you will understand where he is coming from. consequently he will try to understand your need and meet you halfway. 

You have just written my life story,except I am not married but am in a steady relationship with a soon-to-be-qualified sangoma.He does not go to church regularly while me on the other hand am a die-hard Dutch Reformed Church congregant,in the youth committee and what-have-you.

When we are visiting he chooses a church he'd like us to go to and I let him and go with him.To me it does not matter that he is a sangoma-to-be,what matters to me is that he knows GOD and has a relationship with him.

kiki X
23 Oct 2009 11:37

Reply from: Cody 10/23/2009 5:26:18 PM

one & only are you saying that, people worship their pastors and not God?

@ Cody, NOT all of them but most of them....especially these churches....Christ Embassy ,Rhema & Shember. I dont know about ZCC though.

Best-Achiever
23 Oct 2009 11:39

1 and Only, if you look at all those churches that you mention(Christian churches) they all agree agree on the basic fundamentals of Christ, that he is Lord and Saviour there is no other way to God only through Him(just an example), but they maintain their separate groups for relatively minor issues, ie how the church should be conducted, what and what not to wear. They may not agree on all other matters of doctrine, interpretation, traditions or the special emphasis placed on certain beliefs.

Regardless of how closely various churches may agree with each other doctrinally, there still will never be two churches exactly alike. This is largely due to the fact that no two people are alike in every detail. Churches are made up of people, so the combined individual personalities in a congregation, creates a distinct "congregational personality." Sometimes people mistake differences in church personality as differences in belief or doctrine. 

So real, the difference in those churches are those minor things, it has nothing to do with Jesus being the Savior!

GML
23 Oct 2009 11:47

It is very easy to criticise something if one doesn't fully understand it 1 and Only

FK
23 Oct 2009 11:48

Why is there so many churches with different names under Christianity? Why can't you have one church just like the other religions? 

I concur BA's response

The other thing is that all Christians worship do not worship God but Phophet Jesus (Peace be upon Him) because Christianity was only established after He died.
I personally worship both. I don’t see how one can worship Christ and not worship God. If you believe that Christ is the son of God then you will find it difficult to discard God. Besides, God is the creator of the heavens and the earth and He created me as well. 

What was the main religion before Jesus was born? Answer: Judaism founded by Juda! Before Juda was born? What religion were Phophets Adam, Abraham, Moses (Peace be upon them) etc following?
Have no answer. It is something I would like to study as well.

All Christians can't explain the Trinity thing, the Father, the Son & the Holy Spirit! You can't be a father and at the same time be the son, can you really give birth to yourself? 

In Christianity, God is a Trinity – I prefer the word Godhead. This means that God is three persons, not three gods. Technically, the doctrine of the Godhead states that in the one God is the person of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Each is not the same person as the other; yet there are not three gods but one. This is similar in analogy to the nature of time. Time is past, present, and future. The past is not the same as the present, which is not the same as the future. But, there are not three times. There is only one thing called time. 

The reason the word "person" is used in describing the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit is because each exhibits attributes of personhood -- not in a body of flesh and bones, but in personality. In other words, each has a will, loves, speaks, is aware of others, communicates with others, etc. These are attributes of personhood and we see the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit each demonstrate these qualities. 

Because of the Godhead, God can become flesh in the form of the Son, and still exist in such a way so that He can run the universe. Therefore, the Son can communicate to us on our level. 

Following are a couple verses that hint at the Godhead. 
Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit." 
2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all."
 

The Bible says there is only one God: "I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God," (Isaiah 45:5). Yet, the Bible teaches that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are each called God. 

The Attributes of God As Evident in Each Person of the Godhead
Omnipotent (all powerful)
Omnipresent (everywhere)
Omniscient (all knowing)
Immutable (unchanging)
Eternal (everlasting)

One last thing is that Christianity is not suitable and doesn't accomodate Black people as it requires you to abandon your culture & tradition once you have accepted it. Jesus Christ was born a Jew, He lived a Jewish life, did Jewish traditions like circumcision and when He died He died as a King of Jews.

What culture and tradtion? I will base my answer on what you have mentioned as an example – circumcision. We do circumcise, we do pay lobola, we do have traditional weddings. I’m not sure if this is what you were referring to, please let me know.

Best-Achiever
23 Oct 2009 11:54

About Trinity One and Only, and this is how are understand it.

 God - The Father is the unseen who is omnipresent Source of all being, The creator,  He was revealed on earth in and by the Son(Jesus Christ),  But for us who were not there, from the time when Jesus ascended to HeavenHe made sure that we(who were not the to see him with naked eyes) experience Him in and by the Holy Spirit. The Son proceeds from the Father and the Spirit from the Son. With reference to God's creation, the Father is the Thought behind it, the Son is the Word calling it forth, and the Spirit is the Deed making it a reality.
We “see” God and His great salvation in the Son of God, the Lord Jesus Christ, then “experience” their reality by faith, through the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit

realist
23 Oct 2009 11:56

Can someone please help with the clarity here?
Who wrote the Bible, the first testament and the second testament?
Who wrote the Koran?
What is the difference between the two?
Why most churches disapprove of eating pork?
Why churches do not allow women to be priest, pope etc? 

GML
23 Oct 2009 12:06

@Lex,

The important thing is knowing that he has a relationship with God. If you understand where he is coming. He will be able to compromise on certain things and so will you.

By so doing establishing a common understanding as to how you would like your relationship to function.
This goes back to being yoked. When common understanding and maturity is established both parties carry the same load and will then pull in the same direction.

@BA- Well said, the common factor is the same and that is important. It is not fair to believe that a person prays or worships the church leader when you dont understand what happens in these churches and have not read their doctrine in full as Ms jay had said.

I am apostolic and I myself have on more than one occasion disagreed on with some things the chief apostle has said. I do however agree with him on certain things. If I were to let my disagreements get the better of me then I would follow no religion. This would mean i would have to cut everyone that I do not agree with out of my life. It's a choice

I choose to agree with him on certain things and carry on worshipping as I have been and take his teachings as they come.
I choose to focus on what I'm comfortable with and remove the negative from that.

Ukuhlakanipha kethu akungasenzi ukuthi sicabange ukuthi sazi everything.

Cody
23 Oct 2009 12:36

Yah BA, you have made it so sweet and short and you describing it the way you did just brought tears to my eyes!!! you nailed it girl, i have to give in a standing ovasion!!!!!! *clap clap clap*

and FK thanks le wena waitse keng you brought me so much light...hai!!!

and can someone write an article about ancestors and religion. with me i just know my own personal reasons why I no longer believe that the ancestors have power to take my message to God, and why I no longer go to sangoma's, believe you me I have done them all and me believing in God as my Lord and saviour was not because I was taken by "fashion", i just saw the light and that light that i saw, works wonders for me. what works for me, wont necessarily work for you... and by the way with ancestors i will never understand the logic behind their request, and i will never understand why they would block your progress in life and make you suffer until you do the things they want like slaughtering a cow when you dont have money, whereas, when they were alive they would kill someone if they had to hurt you, they loved you and didnt want anything to harm you, they protected you, now when they have passed on they want you to be hurt whilst they loved you when you were alive?? mmh? i will never understand that.


you know one will never understand believing in Christ as your  only Lord and saviour until they have tasted the witnessed his power in action and in your life. i must admit, i will still be saying Modimo le Badimo baka when I am praying if i hadn't tasted and witnessed the power of God personally.

Sho bafethu i could right the whole day when if I had to tell you how I came to the conclusion on choosing God.

♫Halelatsa hotseba ba moo ke pholositsweng, mamelang ha ke le jwetsa, ke le supisa tsela, Jesu ke mmoloki waka, o ngethetse bodulo, ke a morata o wa nthata o nneile bophelo.........♫ and seriously guy o nneile bophelo

myname
23 Oct 2009 12:44

I wish i can read this but shuuuuu (Im so lazy & tired). I think it was/is a great article, judging from the replies.

GML
23 Oct 2009 12:46

@ Cheesa

Debate is nice when people do not take things personally. It ceates a platform for people to learn and in turn understand other peoples thinking.

I have learned so much. I pray to God to let the words that were written in this blog to find a place in my heart. So that I may be able to better see and understand God in all his Glory, so that I may be strengthened in my faith. To carry on, on a better path. Even those things that I do not agree on, I pray that they too may find a place in my heart so that I can learn to appreciate others adn learn form them

Peace be with you all....

Best-Achiever
23 Oct 2009 12:50

LOL Cheesa .. ... waitse mos .. Opinion, view, understanding bo ma  side of the story ... Ask Cody she will put it in right order ...tl tl tl tl

Best-Achiever
23 Oct 2009 12:51

Debate is nice when people do not take things personally. It ceates a platform for people to learn and in turn understand other peoples thinking.
 True GML ....

Cody
23 Oct 2009 12:57

Opinion, view, understanding bo ma side of the story ... Ask Cody she will put it in right order

LMLO BA, mm ask me, although there is a thin line between those words i will put them into perspective....LOL!!!!

Green.arrow
23 Oct 2009 13:13

hai ne...guys God bless you all for the effort you put into answering all this questions. If anything,i thank God tht the article brought out questions fgrom which a lot of us leant and grew...c..evrything realy works out for good.

"can someone write an article about ancestors and religion"
here here Cody..
I just spoke to a young man now who is confused about this.,.....and i told him i'll do scriptural research...so far all i told him is my testimony ,tht i have seen my Lord and His way makes sense to me. But i know there is a lot i need to know and understand so tht i can be objective when i "give him advice"....
Infact,i remember this topic has been touched once or twice ryt here mo homecell...

FK
23 Oct 2009 13:24

can someone write an article about ancestors and religion" Infact,i remember this topic has been touched once or twice ryt here mo homecell...

@ GA
Yes, it was touched here.






Green.arrow
23 Oct 2009 13:33

Ke a leboga FK.....very much...:-)

nice
23 Oct 2009 14:00

I guess I'm not gonna get any answers from my fellow Christian Bloggers as they have suddenly dissappeared like dew in the morning and I will take that as having doubts about your religion.

No, 1&O,
I did not disappear, had not logged on yet as I have to provide some service to my employer you know. you have raised a lot of questions, most of which I have never thought of and asked myself and therefore wont have answers to everything that you have asked. I do not know answers to everything and yet I am willing to discuss things with people as that is how one grows and learns in life.

I do not have doubts about my religion at all, and I do get defensive when someone undermines it as I feel they are on war with what I believe in. Ask me questions about my religion, and I will gladly explain as I do ask about other religions and try to be tolerant of what they believe in. Dont ask in me in a demeaning or disapproving tone as I would either ignore you or answer in a way that would make you feel Iam being aggressive .

Back to some of the questions asked

What will hapeen to the NT when they add the original testament, I dont know the contents of this testament and do not know if it is in line with the bible that I use , so I really have no idea what it would do..one thing I can say is that it may create a whole lot of confusion as we as Christians have come to know just the OT and NT and when someone add something to it, it may just create confusion I guess.

Christians, follow the teachings of Christ we all submit to God, and as Christians we believe the way to God is through Christ and that is where we get our name Christians from. What I have mainly learnt is that most eligions submit to God, the difference comes in the way of teaching that we follow. Hence the way in which we live our lives, and what do we practice in our homes. 

Christiniaty, according to me, is not about abandoning cultures and customs, we know our family history and can trace our roots as far as we can, it is just that we do not believe that our ancestors can intercede on our behalf, they are sleeping and nothing is processed by their  minds, and they await resurrection day. Saints though that have ascended to heaven , I believe, can intercede on our behalf which is why I dedicately do the rosary and ask Mary to pray for us now and at the hour of our death. There is nothing wrong with African cultures, as far as they dont clash with my Christianity, where there is conflict I choose to follow Christ as I believe that has more power and influence in my life.

The issue of Sangomas is tricky, yes I do agree some of them are like medical doctors and they use herbs, it is just that there are many more out there who are associated with witchcraft and when they promise to help yu, they always claim that someone in the family is bewitching you and they want to avenge on your behalf this is what makes them to not be trusted. They dont just heal, but they have to "do impinda" somehow and that is against my Christian belief. We do not avenge, but leave that all to our Lord. The other thing is that they will make people slaughter goats, cows and chickens even when they do not know what is wrong instead of just admitting that they cant help you and let you be.

Again , I state that this are my opinions and understanding, they may differ from yours!!




Cody
23 Oct 2009 14:20

true nice, there are so many false sangomas who claim to be healers but they are just in it for the money,so it diffult to trust them and know which one is right and which one is wrong, and i have never heard of someone consulting them  and they tell them that no one is bewitching them. there is always someone who is bewitching you...i dont want to go into detail as i might offend people who believe in them.Mare nna stru's bob, i dont understand them, nor favour them.

mathata
23 Oct 2009 14:25

tjo! ppl can write.

Cody
23 Oct 2009 14:29

Hi Thata's, le wena ngwala, and stop coming here with your platform shoes without a heel.......or change yourself to be Mercy Phakela....LOL 

kwa kwa kwa kwa...ya ompolaile with those words girl! i cant forget them....LOL

FK
23 Oct 2009 14:39

@Cleve : Sangoma's are like medical doctors to me, instead they use herbs to help you. Please someone care to teach a lady......... 

The term Sangoma is used to describe a holy man or woman, a skilled diviner and healer within the tradition of the Zulu and Ndebele native people. (this was taken from google)

If the sangomas were just healing using herbs, I would regard them as medical doctors unfortunately, them being  the diviner, talking to ancestors by ukubhula, fortune telling, makes them different to medical doctors. 

(I found this on the net, I thought it might help)
Fortune telling or divination, as it is sometimes referred to, is the art or practice of forecasting the future or making predictions about the future. This is done by means that is displeasing to God and includes the use of ouija boards, crystal balls, horoscopes, astrology, telepathy, palm-reading, clairvoyancy, kabala (Jewish mysticism), tarot and other card readings, etc. A person who practices fortune telling is either referred to as a fortune teller or a diviner.

The bible says we need to stay far away from these people.  People who go to fortune tellers are not trusting God. They are anxious and worried about their future. They want to know what the future holds for them and want to take their future into their own hands. They do not believe that God can take care of them and their future. They do not understand that only God knows the end from the beginning and only He has the power to keep us.

Sbam
23 Oct 2009 14:41

Bathong it's friday and i will read everything on monday.. for now it's jst too long for me.

Neway, what i believe as a born-again Christian is dat.. for each person God reveals His differently... Sometimes we make a mistake of taking other people opinions, beliefs, experiences and even revelations and try them on our lives.. which in turn end up confusing and frustrating us.

If u r not clear abt what the scripture says (e.g. on marriage with unbelievers) it would be best for u to ask God to reveal(4 UR LIFE) what He wants.

Yes it is gud if all christians interpretes it the same,,, bt i can't go with the majority and always fail cz am nt believing it the way they r believing it ... NO i have to exercise my Christian right, consulting with the Holy spirit( MY teacher and Helper) hore what is He saying abt the matter(was jst an example)

Have a great weekend Lovers of God.. appreciate all the views

mathata
23 Oct 2009 14:58

@Cody,mala a nketsang ,ke tshwabane jwale ka letswele la lexeku,pineapple nomore.

have a fabulous weekend,say halllllaaaaaa.2 your DAD

Ms. Jay
23 Oct 2009 15:38

One and only - I didn disapearm, am busy with something @ the moment, I will read these others replies after mine and answer realists question on Monday - rite now I have a load of work to finish before my leave begins and I dont blog on weekends, family rule ....not CHURCH rule, just Ms.Jay's......

Cody
23 Oct 2009 15:44

you are right FK, when you say....People who go to fortune tellers are not trusting God. They are anxious and worried about their future

As a result of being anxious, you become prone to the spirit of fear, if a something happens to you, you say start thinking that you are bewitched. Ke hore there is nothing negative that can happen in your life without thinking that its natural, you automatically assume that they are bewitching you.

nice
23 Oct 2009 16:41

My turn to copy and paste, and I found this to be so appropriate, and I agree with it.


BEAUTIFUL CHRISTIAN SISTER
By Maya Angelou

'A woman's heart should be so hidden in Christ
That a man should have to seek Him first to find her.'

When I say.... 'I am a Christian' I'm not shouting 'I'm clean living,'
I'm whispering 'I was lost, Now I'm found and forgiven.'

When I say.... 'I am a Christian' I don't speak of this with pride.
I'm confessing that I stumble and need Christ to be my guide..

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I'm not trying to be strong.
I'm professing that I'm weak and need His strength to carry on.

When I say.. 'I am a Christian' I'm not bragging of success
I'm admitting I have failed and need God to clean my mess.

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I'm not claiming to be perfect,
My flaws are far too visible, but God believes I am worth it.

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I still feel the sting of pain...
I have my share of heartaches, so I call upon His name.

When I say... 'I am a Christian' I'm not holier than thou,
I'm just a simple sinner Who received God's good grace, somehow!

One and Only
26 Oct 2009 09:29

To answer Realist the Bible consist of 39 books of Talmud (Hebrew Scriptures/Old Testament) and 27 books of Christian Scriptures written by some 40 scholars and philosophers which explains the contradictions between the scriptures.

The trinity thing is nothing but hogwash! Are you Christians trying to tell us that Jesus was God, making God's parents Maria & Joseph! So Jesus is the one who created the earth, Adam and Eve? The Jews rejected him because no Jew could ever accept another Jew as a God. He is one of the mightiest messengers of God. There is only one supreme God and that is God not the son.

Christianity offers no solutions to the problems we face nowadays but frustration and lead people astray. What is its solution regarding alcoholism? "IT TEACHES US THAT IF THE BODY NEEDS THE STIMULANT OF WINE, IT IS RIGHT TO TAKE IT IN MODERATION." Which religion says abstinence is the only answer and recommend that people be Teetoller?

Currently there's a Surplus Women Problem everywhere in the world, the only solution to this is the restricted and regulated polygamy and once again which religion offers the best suitable solution to this?

The bible says Jesus Christ was dead for 3 nights & 3 days in Good Friday before waking up! He died on Friday and rose to death on Sunday right? Is that 3 nights and 3 days?

Let me not start by quoting 50 000 errors in the bible, I'll let you believe in what you believe in.

GML
26 Oct 2009 09:57

Bathong one and Only- I'm not sure I want to even answer you.

In order for Jesus to come to this world he had to be born of the flesh so that he could fulfil his purpose on earth.


He is referred to as the Son of God because he was sent to earth by God himself. he was a representative of God the Father (creator).

nobody said Jesus is God hleng. Those who believe that Jesus was truly sent by God  in turn believe in God. it comes down to beliefs and faith that one has in God himself. That if we fail to see God in Jesus how will we know who God is one day when we see him? What will it take to convince you that he is God when we failed to believe in Jesus his son.

It is a test in my opinion

One and Only
26 Oct 2009 11:42

GML are trying to tell me that all the Prophets who came before Jesus to say He is coming were not sent by God but Satan?

Eg: Abram, Moses, Joshua, Samuel, David, Elijah, Isaiah, Ezekiel John the Baptist (Peace be upon Them)

John 16 v 7: But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. 8When he comes, he will convict the world of guilt

John 14 v 16: And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Comforter to be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him.

Can you tell me who is this Comforter/ Counselor Jesus was talking about?

I would like to believe that the Bible is the work of God and was inspired by Him but out of all the hundred & eleventeen versions which one should I believe in? Why does it say Gospel according to John etc

It's a great dissapointment that even today Christians can still not count in numbers, one God to them means three.  If I die Friday midday, get buried Friday afternoon and come back to life on Sunday would it be 3 nights and 3 days? Is everything for you always in trinity 3 or is it just addiction.
Friday = 1 night
Saturday = 1 night which makes in total 2 nights not 3 now count the days for me. Is it not accurate to say He died on Wednesday, making it Good Wednesday? Don't stop celebrating Good Friday though.

cleve
26 Oct 2009 12:00

Thank You FK

FK
26 Oct 2009 12:38

@One and Only:  After reading your responses I can only come to one conclusion ..... You don't believe in JC and you regard him as one of the prophets.  Please forgive me if I'm assuming.

But if I am correct, then I believe and pray for the Holy Spirit (the counselor, comforter) to guide us and give you answers.  Me, can't do.

One and Only
26 Oct 2009 13:44

Your assumptions are correct FK, Jesus Christ played the same role as Moses and others (Peace be upon Them)

The Counselor and Comforter He was talking about is none other than the last prophet (Peace be upon Him). He is #1 in the Michael H Hart's The Top hundred or Greatest Hundred Man in History.

Awu aphi amakholwa namhlanje, asayophuza iwayini?

FK
26 Oct 2009 14:07

Awu aphi amakholwa namhlanje, asayophuza iwayini? kwa kwa kwa, lolest

Ja neh One and Only.  This is going to be difficult for us to debate on - I am only comfortable debating with other christians as we have the same vision and goal i.e. the 2nd coming of JC and our point of reference will be the bible.  

Now in my case and yours, it is going to be a mammoth task.  Does not mean is impossible, but I would like my JC to take over.  This is His battle and not mine.

Cody
26 Oct 2009 14:17

(Peace be upon Him) you really crack me up with line One & Only.....kwa kwa kwa kwa...wena ke sono ka wena waitse, all we can do is just pray for you (peace be upon you) lol!!

Best-Achiever
26 Oct 2009 14:32

One and Only -- if you read your Bible( further down) where you qouted your verses you'll find that Jesus did Explain that that Comforter is the Spirit of Truth which is the Holy Spirit.

Best-Achiever
26 Oct 2009 14:36

One and Only ... if i can ask Just out of Curiocity

You have mentioned too many times that you quit being born again, why were you born again in the first place, What made you to accept and belive in God(The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit)?

blueroze
26 Oct 2009 14:51

one thing that I have noticed is that people choose to say whatever tickles their fancy when it comes to God and being born again and after life and why they practice their belief. When they get sick and realise that they are about to die they never ask for those things they were practising to come rescue them
they call priests/pastors/reverands/church leaders to come pray for them and give them holy communion

do you know why?
because "mowa o batla kwa bo ona"
meaning their souls wants to go home

one may ask where is the home?
it  is heaven
i am yet to attend a funeral where they dont say that the person who passed is not going to heaven
why?
because every person knows even when they dont want to admit that Jesus is Lord and he has prepared a place in heaven (for thoes who accepted HIm while on earth and have lived according to His principles)

adawise other than heaven there is hell
we know who is in hell
but even at the funeral of a hijacker people are still talikng about heaven

each and every person has heard about heaven and hell and knows which is the truth from stories

have you seen a drunkard walking home from a shebeen?
they sing a hymn
you know why?
because even after downing all those beer the void is not yet filled
and only Jesus can fill it in.

>>>>>>going back to where i was<<<<<<<<<

Cody
26 Oct 2009 14:57

true Blueroze....one and only is just being difficult, his questions have been responded to clearly. He just needs prayers nje...

Cody
26 Oct 2009 15:03

Ya neh, One & Only, one day God will show you exactly who is God mfana, you will be so amazed that we will have to pick up your jaw from the floor! I pray that the creator, the one who gave you life, and created you in his image will reveal himself to you...and believe you me he will, sooner rather than later.

Lex
26 Oct 2009 15:14

the comforter/counselor ke moya o o boitshepo.

monchooza
26 Oct 2009 15:19

vavum satan will be here soon...

GML
26 Oct 2009 15:25

@Cody:
 
1 and Only is playing the devil's advocate.

My hubby does it all the time, especially when he wants me to think of things in a deeper way. I think that is what 1 and Only is doing here.

Dont fret over what he says

FK
26 Oct 2009 15:30

Christians - I know where One and Only is coming from.  One religion that believes that Christ was one of the prophets and is no bigger than the other prophets is Muslims.  They do believe in God - the only difference is that they reference from the Quran and Muhammad is their prophet.  So he will question the bible and the authors as he believes that his Quran is correct.

Hence I said, the battle is not ours, but the Lord's. 

One and Only
26 Oct 2009 15:48

BA I was born again because of the lies that were told to my grandfathers in 1652 and I got tired of believing in a lie, FK brace yourself I have a feeling you gonna wait forever for the 2nd coming of JC because even the person who died in year 1901 is still waiting for it to happen.

I do not see any answer to my questions but all I see is Christians trying to impose fear on me and I honestly fear no men in this world uMvelingqangi YHWH, Adonai, Allah or God which is what the rich call him.

Funny how it came about with the same people who have been oppressing you for more than 100 yrs, when your brothers were killed, sisters raped it recommended that you turn the other cheek. Did it mean offer another sister to be raped?

Apartheid took a lot from a black person and religion is one of those things, I refuse to praise YHWH in a foreign language I'm not a gentile. The God I worship and submit to is the One holding the sky without any pillars from falling.

If I have said anything wrong to anger/disrespect Him, He won't allow me to see another day and that's the punishment I will take with pride. 

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