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eish! that time of the month

Written by babetm from the blog am i being unfair or im not that caring? on 17 Feb 2009
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i wish there was something i could do about the so cold "menstruation" . i dont get used to the fact that i hav to put something in my cake for a week each month.

I only use pads and during summer its very hot and it drives me mad. i once tried lillets and after two hours i went to the loo and removed it cos i wanted to pee, by then i didnt know that it was not the same place wher the urine comes from until i said to my mom "i will no longer use lilets cause each time i need to pee i have to remove it" and my mom could not stop laughing, but at the end she explained everything to me.

im in a distance relationship and sometimes it takes two to three months to see my man. few days before my period i feel so honny and that feeling is so strong. i miss my man so bad. this other day while i was going home to see him i was so honny and when i arrived my period started and i was so disappointed. this was not the first time it happened.when im with my man yhoo! the blood flows like pee even when he touches me

usually when it happens experience pains, i eat a lot, i get annoyed easily and not forgetting the bad mood.

what do you experience during your menstruation period?

how do you feel few days before ur periods

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time

what do u use to ease the pains

please ladies lets talk

85 Comments

babetm
17 Feb 2009 13:10

wow, at last ive managed to post an article. come on ladies lets talk.

TheLady
17 Feb 2009 13:20

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
Periods. LOL
Anyway-i get period pains on the first day, sometimes they are really bad eg...me throwing up etc...

how do you feel few days before ur periods
depends, sometimes ngia ne PMS-My man lives to apologise ngalesosikhathi.

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
Yip, but try not to let it control you

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
That';s the only time one can 'shoot a red robot'

what do u use to ease the pains
Pain killers if they are really bad, I usually just go to bed-...right now it's Myprodol

feels weird writing all this down, I guess at home we don't talk about periods in front of men.

Dimago
17 Feb 2009 13:22

i dont get used to the fact that i hav to put something in my cake for a week each month.

Dimago
17 Feb 2009 13:28

sorry about that....clicked wrong button

i dont get used to the fact that i hav to put something in my cake for a week each month.
I was just LOL at cake..hahahaha

Nqeqe
17 Feb 2009 13:35

How cold is it Babetm

BigMama
17 Feb 2009 13:38

how do you feel few days before ur periods
A few days before and after l will be more than honny .

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
it is normal, l just get upset easily and don´t want to talk at all.

f u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
With pleasure, that can´t stop me from getting what l love.

what do u use to ease the pains
l never get period pains.

Nqeqe
17 Feb 2009 13:38

BTW Babatm, that cake is not urs.

ms.tebby
17 Feb 2009 13:42

<<<im in a distance relationship ...>>glad to know im not the only one!

<<days before my period i feel so honny and that feeling is so strong.>> happens to me all the time, sometiems after the period.

what do u use to ease the pains>> with me sleep just comes, it doesnt matter where I am, sometiems I have to park by the roadside & take a short nap, when I wake up the pains are gone

nice
17 Feb 2009 13:43

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
Lots and lots of pain, and fatigue. i just want to sleep all the time

how do you feel few days before ur periods
mhh, I really dont know I will check next week and may have to get back to you on that one.

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
Yes, but I eat lots of sweets and chocolate to increase my happy hormones. i am very aware of it and try very hard not to be nasty for no reason, but that all said dont get on my wrong side.

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
Dont know, but I dont think so . My flow is too heavy

what do u use to ease the pains
Nurofen, dont swallow the pills unless you have eaten. you will regret it (sweat, throwing up, and uzwe ngathi kukhona into ekushukayo, I thought I was going to die)

maud
17 Feb 2009 13:43

hi
i dont even want to comment on this one, it might just come back.

nice
17 Feb 2009 13:47

Anyway-i get period pains on the first day, sometimes they are really bad eg...me throwing up etc...

TL, maybe you take painkillers without eating. I also used to throw up a lot, but was adviced to eat something (even if it is just a fruit) so the pills wont "unsettle" my stomach.

blueroze
17 Feb 2009 13:52

my mom could not stop laughing, but at the end she explained everything to me.
kwa kwa kwa girl you crack me up!

his other day while i was going home to see him i was so honny and when i arrived my period started and i was so disappointed.>>>>>>>>ke kuku ya hae, o tla e ja e le metsi....he'll swim, it is the first day mos! just give it to him

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
horniness a few days before

how do you feel few days before ur periods
full breast as if i am breastfeeding. LOL
uncontrollable mokhaba

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
well, it depends on an individual, i never change during my period

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
i have before and it was different. he wanted to and it was day 1 so i have a very light flow then, very light

what do u use to ease the pains
im one of the licky people who do not get serious pains but my friends uses Neurofen and the other one buys hers from the pharmacy i dont know the name

but i heard that you can also put a warm cloth on your stomach or lie on your stomach.

ms.tebby
17 Feb 2009 13:52

@ nice <<Yes, but I eat lots of sweets and chocolate to increase my happy hormones>> I am learning new things!

ms.tebby
17 Feb 2009 13:56

<<<while i was going home to see him i was so honny and when i arrived my period started and i was so disappointed>> happened to me once, imagine 5hrs drive just to look into some1's eyes & go back!

ngwana
17 Feb 2009 13:58

Spell check, it works

KeleFabulous
17 Feb 2009 13:59

if you're on the pill you have a way of controlling when you get your period ie when you get to the red pills, skip them completely and get to the next set of tablets and you will "miss" your period for that month. someone also told me, not sure how true this is, that putting panado tablets in coke will stop your period. like i said i don't know how true this is...

what do you experience during your menstruation period? i've noticed that skin int at area doesn't appreciate moisture so that time of the month is itchy for me down there. plus i get pains.

how do you feel few days before ur periods
this is now. i have too many cravings!
is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
i don't have moods
if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time

what do u use to ease the pains
brufen.

Centrepiece
17 Feb 2009 14:02

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
I get so thirsty it not funny, i think i drink more than four litres of fluids a day during this time!!

how do you feel few days before ur periods?
I get mild periods pains, and then i get horny!!

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period?
Yes it's so strong i can't control it, i snap at every person who crosses my path!

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time?
I have never done it before and i think i can never ever do it, i think it filthy!!

what do u use to ease the pains?
I never get bad pains, so i don't use anything!!

tracy
17 Feb 2009 14:06

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
I never get horny my body is so tired

how do you feel few days before ur periods
full breast like am pregnant

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
I never realise my moods but i think its normal coz most women expirience that

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
Why not just use a condom

what do u use to ease the pains
Disprin extra strength works for me

tracy
17 Feb 2009 14:11

i once tried lillets and after two hours i went to the loo and removed it cos i wanted to pee, by then i didnt know that it was not the same place wher the urine comes from until i said to my mom "i will no longer use lilets cause each time i need to pee i have to remove it" and my mom could not stop laughing, but at the end she explained everything to me.

I always remove my lillets when I pee I honestly dont understand this pliz explain

felfel
17 Feb 2009 14:14

Mna, i get some pimples a few days before, i get the period pains to a point where i cry if i dont have pain killers. I normally take Nurofen but if there's none i take anything i can find, even GrandPa/Compral to ease the pain which is horrible on the first day.
I get very emmotional sometimes just before, i can just sit and cry like a baby in ma flat and stop and ask maself why am i crying but i dont know, until 2 days later i get ma period and i'm like ohhh bummer thats why i was a cry baby.....its silly i know but sometimes i enjoy it, makes me wallow in self pity...LOL

I dont remember if i crave anything but i get bloated. Oh, and i can't eat dairy products cos i get worse even i was on the last day, if i eat even a salad with cream, i get some pain in the abdomen and a heavy flow lasting about an hour and then its gone.

GML
17 Feb 2009 14:14

OMG- I get horny a day before the period and during the period. I swear guys. My man hates it whn I'm on my oeriod because he says I touch him and kiss him alot and he says I dont do it on purpose. This is how Anal sex came into play. I was so horny I ended up making him hot as well and we did it.

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
Horniness like you wont believe- i'm on the pill so I know when they start. I dont get signs anymore

how do you feel few days before ur periods
Horny

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
No- I'm happier when on my period. I forget i'm on my period as I have a light flow and dont get pains

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
Yebo, I would and I have

what do u use to ease the pains
Dont get pains- Lucky me

sjura
17 Feb 2009 14:16

i knw this one works...u drink a vinegar a day before your periods starts. my freind always does this when she wants her make to sika le kheke coz they also in a long distance relationship and it works.....Tox dd you try it?last time i checked you were gona try it out.

Pritt
17 Feb 2009 14:16

what do you experience during your menstruation period? - I get tired

how do you feel few days before ur periods - full breast and nausea

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period - yes it is my bf understands me now

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time - Hell No

what do u use to ease the pains - Myprodol but i also wrap a warm cloth or use a water bottle....

TheLady
17 Feb 2009 14:17

Maybe nice, hey wangisiza yazi...coz i can't eat when I have period pains..and I sweat a lot too.

err Tracy, periods and pee come from two different openings

Centrepiece
17 Feb 2009 14:20

<<<I always remove my lillets when I pee I honestly dont understand this pliz explain>>> LOL Tracy

You don't need to remove it girl, you see the place where urine comes from is not the one where you put a tampon in!! I use tampons and they are so comfy.

Try not to remove it once you will see what i am talking about Tracy!!

Dimago
17 Feb 2009 14:23

i knw this one works...u drink a vinegar a day before your periods starts. my freind always does this when she wants her make to sika le kheke coz they also in a long distance relationship and it works.....
Is this to stop your periods sjura?

ms.tebby
17 Feb 2009 14:26

do we have a teacher here?

blueroze
17 Feb 2009 14:28

sjura>>>>>>>>>> drink a vinegar a day before your periods starts>>>>>>>>>

what will happen after you drink vinegar? i'm in a long distance rel as well, it can come in handy one of the days

tracy
17 Feb 2009 14:29

can you explain pliz galz I m lost seriously I dont know what you talking about am on my periods as will speak am hearding to the loo to experiment
@GML- I ve been around gal had sex with diff pple but never ve I expirienced anal sex just the thought makes me wanna run

andi01
17 Feb 2009 14:31

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
Restlessness, sensitive and pick up fights with anyone

how do you feel few days before ur periods
Horny

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
Yes

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
I hav always done that, but it has 2 b with my man, someone am comfortable with, not some booty call or one night stand

what do u use to ease the pains
Some tablets meant for horses, dont remember the name

andi01
17 Feb 2009 14:36

@Tracy-@GML- I ve been around gal had sex with diff pple but never ve I expirienced anal sex just the thought makes me wanna run - Ek ook, meisie kind.

dali
17 Feb 2009 14:37

babetm my frend seeing that this is ure first article im gonna make it extra special by responding in my mother tongue. im so proud of u!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
mabundu a xikandeni

how do you feel few days before ur periods
ani tivi, ani se tshama ni swi cheka wa tiva

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
hayi a hi ntolovelo swi ya hi munhu.

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
hayi, ni mushangaan wa mampela mina, loko u ri a masikukwini hambana na vavanuna.

what do u use to ease the pains
ti pilisi to susa pain

Molilo
17 Feb 2009 14:40

I thought I was the only one who is horny during my periods. I have never postponed sx for periods and will never do so.

Ms. Jay
17 Feb 2009 14:43

Hey guys = i know the pill one works - and so does taking 2 depo injections at the same time. With the injections you can miss up to 6 months of your period. I dont recommend you try it though - coz when u do come on you will bleed like a cow!!!

well al this time after missing my p's and having all the morning sickness and stuff related to early pregnancy - I miscarried yesterday....I didn even know it at the time - sorry to go off topic - i just don have the energy to create an article -

for days i felt this pain but ignored it until yesteday - i just felt a sudden contraction and blood just rushed out. I have a dull headache and feel feverish.

I couldn even get out of bed nicely......when I look the blood still has some tissues and is heavily clotted....its traumatic...when i asked my hubby if it bothered him - he just said it was one of those things....I want to cry but just think it pointless.....maybe it wasn meant to be...

Centrepiece
17 Feb 2009 14:46

<<<<I have never postponed sx for periods and will never do so.>>>> but guys is not sloppy and awkward? I think it disgusting.... but that is my opinion!!

Centrepiece
17 Feb 2009 14:49

Sorry Jael, i don't think anybody deserves what you went through!! God be with you through time of healing.

blueroze
17 Feb 2009 14:51

coz when u do come on you will bleed like a cow!!! LMAO

I miscarried yesterday sorry dear

....I want to cry but just think it pointlessif you want to; cry; let it all out

ms.tebby
17 Feb 2009 14:53

sorry miss J about your loss.

ms.tebby
17 Feb 2009 14:55

<<With the injections you can miss up to 6 months of your period>> I wouldnt opt for this one, I dont think its healthy

Phikza
17 Feb 2009 14:57

This is the worst time ever for me..i get hectic period pains.

@nice Nurofen, dont swallow the pills unless you have eaten. you will regret it (sweat, throwing up, and uzwe ngathi kukhona into ekushukayo, I thought I was going to die >>>LOL you remind me of David Kau's stand up DVD comedy(I did these jokes first)) Sorry for laughing girl<<<i experienced this a couple of times and I never thought not eating first was the reason. Thanks, girl will always make sure that I eat befor taking them...cos they help, yong!

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
Pain, pain, pain and more pain...but only for the 1st 2days

how do you feel few days before ur periods
Big breasts, period pain<<<sorry 4this girls>>>and i go to do number 2 all the time

is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
I hear that it is but for me the only thing that makes me be in a bad mood is because i just cant stand the pain but when the pain is gone my mood is back to normal again, cos the pain usually lasts for 2days only

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
@Centrepiece, i also think its filth but i did it before and my man dont like it the most cos he believes that when women go on period they are cleaning up, so he was going on and on on how the dirt is getting to him now..MCIM!!!but we did it anyway

what do u use to ease the pains
Nurofen and a hot water bottle are the best

You guys, i heard that if ur period paid gets realy hectic you should go and see a gynea cos it could course some problems for you in the later stage...how true is this???

GML
17 Feb 2009 15:00

So sorry to her that Jael.

When my man and i went to the doctor for contraceptives he advised me against using injections because if something is wrong you wont know until the injection is completely out of your system, He also told me that with the injection you have to get cleaned before every injection.
By cleaned I mean have the doctor put his hand in your Vjay jay and clean it.

Jael- when you're ready to try again go to your Gynae and ask her/him to clean your womb. All these pills and injections we take stay in the body for long thats why we must clean

My doctor also said that we are ready to have a baby we have to stop the pill 6months before trying for a baby. That way the pill will be out of the my system

suzzy82
17 Feb 2009 15:04

wt do u experience during menstruation period ?
period pain isuluma the painful one that can even kill me ,i turn to be a mad person ,feeling cold and hot at the same time and when i feel hot i go and sleep in the bathroom on the tiles ,and when the pain stop i get horny

Cande
17 Feb 2009 15:07

I get my periods pains the whole 4 days and its not nice, most doctors have prescribed a prevention pill but i dont think i wanna take it

Phikza
17 Feb 2009 15:09

Im so sorry, Jael to hear bout you loss
I want to cry but just think it pointless<<<<let it all out ausi. May the Lord God our be with you in this time..and stay strong, kay

dali
17 Feb 2009 15:09

sorry J thats really sad u dont deserve this @ all

ms.tebby
17 Feb 2009 15:09

bathong sekausu is the way to go, when you understand your cycle, it the best.
maybe im saying this coz im scared of injections, & at the same time I dont like pills. when i go to the doctore & he gives me pills i just want to cry...!

maud
17 Feb 2009 15:12

what do you experience during your menstruation period
Pains and pimples in my face, moodiness very active all ido is clean and clean.

Sorry dear about your miscarring,

@Molilo-I thought I was the only one who is horny during my periods- there is an explanation for that, lets just dont get into details, but i think everywoman do.

ouch
17 Feb 2009 15:13

Guys, like all of you, I get exceptionally horny before and more so during my period.
However much I entertain having sex at the time, I worry that it will spill and be messy. Does that happen? Also, how enjoyable is it when it's so wet??
My man and I just opt for dry sex which leaves =me even more sexually frustrated, but at least he gets to come...

Dimago
17 Feb 2009 15:17

Oh Jael, i'm so sorry to hear about your loss.

JadaPinkett
17 Feb 2009 15:18

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
pains
how do you feel few days before ur periods
i feel nothing
is it normal to be in a bad mood during that period
I Guess so coz i get irritated very easy

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
Actually we do make love, and it is too much enjoyable than being not in my period...I mean it feels great

what do u use to ease the pains
I just drink Stilpain then go to sleep

suzzy82
17 Feb 2009 15:20

that is true Jael: i'm scared of Depo for 1year two months i don't see my periods it was my first time to use contraceptive injection and i'm waiting for it to finish in my system ,now i'm worried its better for the sluma to kill me everymonth

Dimago
17 Feb 2009 15:21

My man and I just opt for dry sex which leaves =me even more sexually frustrated
huh? why? isnt that painful?

Centrepiece
17 Feb 2009 15:23

<<@ ouch.....My man and I just opt for dry sex which leaves =me even more sexually frustrated, but at least he gets to come...>> And you settle for that????? I would never, i like healthy satisfying mdavazo!! And i don't think it is good for you either, you only doing it so he can get to cum....................... its a no, no.

mathata
17 Feb 2009 15:26

i think most women have endometriosis,i used to have it,but now is better

now im using MIRENA is the best thing ever happen to me ,it reduce the pain.

ouch
17 Feb 2009 15:27

@ Dimago.. no it's not painful at all. He doesn't penetrate me. He lubricates and positions himself between my tightly squeezed thighs.

@ Centrepiece: I hear you ... but the Clitoris stimulation is out of this world! It would just be nice to follow it up with good penetration.

TheLady
17 Feb 2009 15:29

Whta's dry sex?
anyway you use a condom when you are on your periods-at least I do.

Am sorry Jael, it's ok to feel like crying-you just lost 'someone'...

Dimago
17 Feb 2009 15:30

@ouch, y do u opt for that method?

The Punisher
17 Feb 2009 15:32

Is it safe to continue reading? Gents?
I just saw pads, lilets, of hoe?

-----> moving to the next blog

tracy
17 Feb 2009 15:32

<<@ ouch.....My man and I just opt for dry sex which leaves =me even more sexually frustrated, but at least he gets to come...>>

dont do it if you dont like in the end you will resent him for that does he know you dont like or you just pretend yo gal just the thought of it makes me shake

JadaPinkett
17 Feb 2009 15:33

Jael-Phephisa my love, u'll be fine... remember there's some people out there who care about u...Luv u gal

TheLady
17 Feb 2009 15:33

Oh, 'ukusoma'...hell no, not my cuppa tea...I can imagine stiff thighs with no joy.

dali
17 Feb 2009 15:34

LOL punisher

myname
17 Feb 2009 15:37

Honestly i dont feel anything, ndivele ndibone ngalo out of the blue. So i always make sure that im covered (i always have a pad in my bag incase ndixhele)

tracy
17 Feb 2009 15:37

@TheLady.. can imagine stiff thighs with no joy

you can say that again!!!!!!!!!!

ouch
17 Feb 2009 15:39

Guys I don't dislike it. It's a trial and error solution that we implemented last month. I cannot take it up the ass, and my vjj is clearly on it's own mission. I still want the closeness and intimacy of sex without penetration.. so that's as close as we can get to that... unless you have other suggestions?

ouch
17 Feb 2009 15:41

Stiff thighs with no joy! Ha ha ha! That's really funny!

Ms. Jay
17 Feb 2009 15:42

thanks ladies - I somehow blame myself for what happened. Guess I will never really know what happened but I will have a d&c done before we try again. Which i hope will not be anytime too soon.....i am off sex for now..he can play dice for all I care right now....I just dont want to be touched, cuddled or kissed...I want to cry but coz he thinks nothing of it - I would feel like an idiot taking this thing serious

Anyways chat another time - I am going offline for sometime - thanks again ladies

Dimago
17 Feb 2009 15:43

and my vjj is clearly on it's own mission.
what do you mean ouch?

ouch
17 Feb 2009 15:46

@ Dimago: It's own Mission being the blood flow....period.

babetm
17 Feb 2009 15:46

@ngwana,im sorry for the wrong spelling is just that since this morning i was trying to post an article and by the time i managed i was being interupted now and then at least now i got the chance to reply

tracy
17 Feb 2009 15:49

but the period is only for a few days sure he can wait

ouch
17 Feb 2009 15:50

Sure he can... I can't!

felfel
17 Feb 2009 15:50

When he penetrates u the blood stops temporarily its like putting a plug in it....lol, but doing on the first day is really stretching it a bit cos thats when u have a heavy flow and clots, 2nd day after after a shower and shower again immediately, or third day even better.

tracy
17 Feb 2009 15:57

My man and I just opt for dry sex which leaves =me even more sexually frustrated, but at least he gets to come...

what makes you frustrated then? and you saying atleast he gets to cum like u doing it for him

ouch
17 Feb 2009 16:04

Tracy what's frustrating is that obviously everyone want to have proper satisfying sex...but having your period i the core of the frustration because like me, you don't want penetration because of the mess. Yet you still want to hump and be physically close. Hence the frustration part. Hope I am making sense. It's like wanting what you can't have.

tracy
17 Feb 2009 16:08

ouch - just use a condom and you dont bleed while having sex its satisfying unless if he doesnt like it then you have no choice.

u4me
17 Feb 2009 16:13

eish, gents we are misplaced here. thank god we dont go through this pain. But i cant imagine doing it during this time, just the smell of it turns me off.

babetm
17 Feb 2009 16:19

@bloggers, thanx a lot for ur replies

. i thought maybe im the only one who experence these things.the only thing that is bothering me now is that i dont hav a specific date and i dont know the menstrual cycle.if anyone knows it better pls explain

babetm
17 Feb 2009 16:25

experence- sorry i meant experience

Best-Achiever
17 Feb 2009 20:57

I loose apetite a week before and a week after and survive on Fruits, Chocolates and loads of acidic drinks. i dont get any pains, only sensitive breast and mood swing.

GML
18 Feb 2009 08:47

babetem: My doctor told me that pills regulate your flow which is true coz my period comes on a tuesday just after 3pm. after 30 days. So I can plan when I want to go on holiday oz I know when I'm gonna go on my period.

But if you dont wanna use the pill then you have to learn your body. Like me- I can feel when the blood comes out because I have taken the time to listen to my body- thanks to my doctor

Jozzi
18 Feb 2009 09:06

Molweni peeps, pls welcome me!
Is it true that, when you get your periods your blood becomes "hot" that the boys want to be close to you, I have experienced it several tyms and it frastrates me, coz almost every guy that I meet during that time,wants to stand with me,even the ones that I find unatractive,if u know what I mean

PULYZA
03 Mar 2009 16:20

PULYZA
03 Mar 2009 16:25

Periods dont have to stop u from making love to your man, as a results of us chick when we are on our periods, we are extra horny than any normal time/day so have fun with him.But the other problem is that we feel ashamed about doing IT while the red robot has occured eish "I cant im on my periods" RUBISH you should do it with period or without periods unless if you are a heavy flow then eish hade.

Pooky
03 Mar 2009 18:07

what do you experience during your menstruation period?
first two days = to pain and heavy flow

how do you feel few days before ur periods
dehydrated, grumpy ,emotional and crave all sort of food ,sore nipples...

ormal to be in a bad mood during that period
think so, but you should learn to control your moods

if u really miss ur man would u make love during that time
yes we have done that plenty maningi times, but not on the first two days of my period because i'm still bloated and have cramps at that time

what do u use to ease the pains
take a hot bath
put hot watter bottle on tummy
lie on my tummy

day or or two after my flow has stopped i become mad/insanely horny that i even cry sometimes,especially if he's not around

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