MBEKI FIRED

Sobza
20 Sep 2008 09:08

Is it only me okhathazekileyo yilento eqhubekayo e Mzantsi?

Sexyzimasa
20 Sep 2008 09:15

The house of cards is falling apart. If ANC fails Sobza,ungavowtela umlungu e.g Helen Zille

Sexyzimasa
20 Sep 2008 09:15

The house of cards is falling apart. If ANC fails Sobza,ungavowtela umlungu e.g Helen Zille

Sobza
20 Sep 2008 09:18

I am just tired of people making decisions for us? I wish the voting process was like in the US.

Segololo
20 Sep 2008 09:35

I dont trust the ANC and a m not voting for them next year... poor Mbeki... I didn't like him but am saddened by the hostile takeover by Gwede and friends!!

Sexyzimasa
20 Sep 2008 10:01

I think under the right leadership,the ANC could flourish again . Whoever masterminded this divide between Mbeki and Zuma is either complete genius or a bumbling fool. Makes me think of what happened in the 90s with the Xhosa Zulu conflict. I feel like we were given this Freedom thing as an assignment and if we don't pull together we will fail and get an F

Sobza
20 Sep 2008 10:11

Give black people i power and see "intelligent we can be sometimes" *tryin to be sarcastic*

what aka mathata
20 Sep 2008 10:43

iam very very very very happy.i think n praying maybe our GOV will save money,ppl we choose n trust,they travel for no reason,they use our GOV money for holidays like they do their job.

jaaa this dude manipulate our grandmothers ,gave them kisses so they can vote for him,after they vote for him,they kissed his ass.

my gran will slap someone this time,mba mba se gat.

Firstdvd
20 Sep 2008 10:53

I'm not into politics & I try as much as i can not to comment about it but not this time. Politic is everywhere, we don't have a choice, their decisions affects us in anyway...They are changing the names, i.e streets, play-grounds, places, etc. What if they lose the next elections???? Re-name again???

Sobza
20 Sep 2008 10:53

Is this in the best interest of the country. Or is it for certain individuals trying to satisfy their egos.

Sexyzimasa
20 Sep 2008 10:58

We must bear in mind that this whole fiasco is not the error of black people as a whole but a few misguided individuals on an ego trip. I hope we don't lose confidence in ourselves as the black people of South Africa

Lela
20 Sep 2008 16:29

Nkosi sikelela thina lusapho lwayo!

mpule
20 Sep 2008 16:42

I really hope Mbeki and his clan will form a new party. Then, we'll be a step closer to true democracy

Floh
21 Sep 2008 01:35

Quoute.(sp)........."We want to ensure that there's certainty [within the ANC], that's why we've taken this decision," said Gwede Mantashe. Does the country have that certainty ? I doubt, I am one of the very uncertainty and dissatisfied citizen.

I was applauding Zuma from Polokwane when he says " He won't pay revenge at all" but what's happening now, "Eye for an Eye"

Not long ago he was saying Mbeki needs to finish his term, all that has changed within a blink of an eye. I must say, i've seen the shortest U-Turn in Politics. Thanks to that "judge" Zuma and his scoundrels.

Mpule replied...I really hope Mbeki and his clan will form a new party. Then, we'll be a step closer to true democracy, yes there talks about that by Cyril Ramaphosa, Mbazima Shilowa, etc but it's going to be the very difficult for them to break through/ win the elections because Zuma has won COSATU, PAC( which is also part of ANC), the arrogant ANCYL and other Unions which forms more than half the Country.

My advice is put your X where you see the future.

Floh
21 Sep 2008 01:44

I was wondering on How much influence does Julius malema has on ANC as the whole because not long ago he made theshocking statements, that they will crush everybody who is in the ANC/ cabinet , who is preventing the jiggaman from becoming the pressy of this country, and Thabo has been "crushed" tsho, his not my favourite, but I felt for him, he is not the best president but not the very bad one also. Ingabe uthini uTata apho ekhona.

Firstdvd
21 Sep 2008 04:59

"Put your X where you see the future"...I liked that one Flo ;-)

Zube
21 Sep 2008 05:19

I just don't get the basis for Mbeki's axing... they say its for creating unity in ANC and i think its just revenge. What's next, after this there's gonna be more fights about positions.

My predictions:
When Baleka Mbete takes the position of being the president, she is gonna be too comfortable and not want to let go and start plotting against JZ, the party will be divided even further, JZ's charges will come out again, Montlante will also want the presidency seat as well and there's gonna be more and more fighting. Mbeki's departure is not the beginning of unity, it is the beginning of more power fights. ANC's is its own worst enemy, I will not vote for them! I know my vote alone won't make a difference, but atleast i will know that i did not vote for ANC

azHOT
21 Sep 2008 05:33

ai ai a.....nc....nc....nc

Mbeki nterfered with the judiciary and that is not allowed. he conspired to discredt Zuma nd keep hm out of te presidency. no matter how hard Zuma screemed none ofthe so called "voters"wanted to hear. he was smeared, insulted draged through the gutter. they accusd him of rape and made evryone who believed in him second guess him..

the ANC under Mbekis rule changed. it becae a personal house for the Mbeki camp and whom they liked and disliked. thats politics, you cant like evyone but what they did was undermine our judicial system and use it as teir own personal platform to "oust" those they didnt think wer nose-in-the air enoug.

Mbei did a good job as president before he allowed pesonal heartburns to interfere and cloud his judgement.

you dnt need to like Zuma to know that voting for the ANC is in everybodys interest.

ak yourself this:

would you rather be a chicken voting 4 Nandos by voting 4 Zille?

if Mbeki hadnt manipulated the udiciary, would anyone be questioning th deceisions and judgements it gives?

the democracy we all want to peesserve is safe without Thabo"my word is law Mbeki.

HOWEVER, put your X where your faith s but PLEASE dont bite ur ose to spite teh rest of ur face......word

L8r bafwethu

azHOT
21 Sep 2008 05:33

ai ai a.....nc....nc....nc

Mbeki nterfered with the judiciary and that is not allowed. he conspired to discredt Zuma nd keep hm out of te presidency. no matter how hard Zuma screemed none ofthe so called "voters"wanted to hear. he was smeared, insulted draged through the gutter. they accusd him of rape and made evryone who believed in him second guess him..

the ANC under Mbekis rule changed. it becae a personal house for the Mbeki camp and whom they liked and disliked. thats politics, you cant like evyone but what they did was undermine our judicial system and use it as teir own personal platform to "oust" those they didnt think wer nose-in-the air enoug.

Mbei did a good job as president before he allowed pesonal heartburns to interfere and cloud his judgement.

you dnt need to like Zuma to know that voting for the ANC is in everybodys interest.

ak yourself this:

would you rather be a chicken voting 4 Nandos by voting 4 Zille?

if Mbeki hadnt manipulated the udiciary, would anyone be questioning th deceisions and judgements it gives?

the democracy we all want to peesserve is safe without Thabo"my word is law Mbeki.

HOWEVER, put your X where your faith s but PLEASE dont bite ur nose to spite teh rest of ur face......word

L8r bafwethu

azHOT
21 Sep 2008 05:37

xcuse the speling an all othe writing/grammar, phone blogging is a hot mess...lol

mabhebheza
21 Sep 2008 05:45

ROTFLMFBAO..@Mathata...im celebrating with u....ur comment hit the nail..Mbeki was manipulating abantu basemnzantsi engazi ukuthi lemini iyeza nakuye...haha!! Zuma baba umsholozi ukusukela izolo i became ur biggest fan *wink*
I dedicate this song 2Mbeki *dedela abanye X4

Dimago
21 Sep 2008 06:10

What Mbeki did was wrong and he should have known better. Who are his advisors or does he not listen to them as well?
That being said the ANC should have kept him on till next elections. His dismissal is not helping the political apathy the ANC's supporters are feeling. I 4 one am nervous about next year. God help us all...

Cnglemother
21 Sep 2008 06:30

He-he-he! mabhebhy and her "lstnyt".nyc one Sobz i thought this stepping down biznis was a joke when i saw it on CNN.Sobz ingathi ufuna ukhala joe.

Firstdvd
21 Sep 2008 06:46

Mbeki live on SABC-2 tonight...'I' wish it was on etv!

Floh
21 Sep 2008 07:34

Zille+Nando's!!!!!!!!!!! he,he,he sale senivotela umntwana kaPhindangene-ke

Brown Shuga
21 Sep 2008 08:33

<<<<Mbeki live on SABC-2 tonight...'I' wish it was on etv>>> Why during the BB eviction show? They must learn to prioritize maan...jerr!

azHOT
21 Sep 2008 08:38

BS=you certainly have your prioritise straight!!LOL

Brown Shuga
21 Sep 2008 08:51

But honestly, there's no way I'm missing the eviction for Mbeki's speech. Luckily Enews is so low on content they REPEAT the same news the whole day & night (till it becomes history) so I'll catch Mbeki's speech there.

Sobza
21 Sep 2008 09:20

if Mbeki hadnt manipulated the udiciary, would anyone be questioning th deceisions and judgements it gives?

Don't know for sure if that is true as much as we didn't know that Zuma was guilty.

<<Sobz ingathi ufuna ukhala joe.>>

Uzothuni utata wabantu, wohluthwe intlaka emlonyeni. Today u r the president and you planning for tomorrow and a few hours later you told to go.

Brown Shuga
21 Sep 2008 09:33

Millions of Voters put him there but a few individuals decided to remove him, is that fair?

Firstdvd
21 Sep 2008 09:40

People voted for ANC isn't? So I think it's fair cos ANC came up with this decision!

Brown Shuga
21 Sep 2008 10:27

<<<People voted for ANC isn't?>> It was Mbeki's photo on the ballot....

mabhebheza
21 Sep 2008 11:48

BS That was one of his best picture in the ballot ...ngoku ita b4 & after photo!
AskhulumeLets talk is so interesting 2nite ..jeez now thta what i call drama!

afrolicious
21 Sep 2008 11:49

i think the only thing we can do is to 'pray for our country'

mabhebheza
21 Sep 2008 12:08

ANC guy in pink shirt Mr Phosa :The ANC has lost its confidence in Mbeki that is y we decided to recalled him now...
Indian guy DR steven: ha ha wat an odd time..
Proff ongulile: his head* try 2listen 2his inner voice tell him 2run 4rm the studio kushushu!

mabhebheza lying on the couch watching tv...hahahahah iyhoo haaa wuu tltltl
politicians make the best comedy real raw comedy!

Firstdvd
21 Sep 2008 12:36

That Asikhulume guy is not strong enough to host that show!!!

mabhebheza
21 Sep 2008 12:44

true dat 1stdvd..but i even missed stokvel that was really interesting,,

Firstdvd
21 Sep 2008 12:52

I only watched Asikhulume the 1st 30min then stokvel @ 7pm...I couldn't miss uBra Bizza :-) Poor Mbeki, ubesedabukisa shame :-(

what aka mathata
21 Sep 2008 13:12

whooooooooooooooooooooo,i pray this ppl musn't send us home before time,i dont trust anything now.

shem his speach bring tears,ga tsamaye maan.i think o tla tlosa le mashila a tletseng sefatlhegong sa gae.ke bua ka ditedu.

Firstdvd
21 Sep 2008 13:37

Wow! SMS: Kgotso to 34709...Oooops, sorry guys lol!

Toodecent
22 Sep 2008 01:03

Now everything is officially f^cked....! I hope they let us know that we go back to Bophutatswana while there is still time mxxm.

Sobza
22 Sep 2008 01:14

Can Mugabe come now and deal with da ANC leadership. Where are you Bob when we need you most.

mayandie
22 Sep 2008 01:16

I still don't think this is fair and they have insulted the old man too much mna i will vote for UDM.
And that Julius Malema charecter let me rather reseve my comment for later i really smell iCivil war mna guys & Damn igqwirha laka Zuma liyasebenza shem...Phosa was very defensive & out of order kuAsikhulume...Why is Madiba quiete does he know something we don't know??????????????? I smell a dead rat......

felfel
22 Sep 2008 01:19

Pure revenge at its best, Mbeki kicked JZ to the curb now he picks his own behind from the same curb....

I am done with the ANC, not wasting my vote again so they can misuse it. Where is the evidence of interference, why not do an enquiry.......oh wait i know why cos they wanna teach him a lesson, they could have just waited till the end of his term but nooooo someone must have the last word.

Toxic
22 Sep 2008 01:19

I am so depressed!!!!!!!!

Toodecent
22 Sep 2008 01:22

no matter how hard Zuma screemed none ofthe so called "voters"wanted to hear>>> We are the voters not the so called voters and we put Thabo Mbeki incharge which we deserved to have a say in all this *bleep!*. Entlik now that Thibos is gone F^ck the so called ANC.

aviebabes
22 Sep 2008 01:23

tis is SAD and I don't know about the future of this country....IMFILIBA..........they gonna pay for what they did to Tat'uMbeki.

Shadow
22 Sep 2008 01:23

Simply personal vendetta's turned into national problem.........

Renegade
22 Sep 2008 01:25

I watched a lot of interviews over the weekend. Being a person who is not too much into politics, I could not help but gasp at the coached answers given by Mantashe and even more so, Phosa on Askhulume. Obviously they must be united and unanimous in their answers, but when the answers come out as defensive as they were, it really is worrying that answers are given in that manner.

My biggest issues are:
6 Months remaining: Would someone really have died if they left Thabo in office? What this paints a picture of, is vindictiveness, plain and simple.

Timing: They say the vote of no confidence was passed in Polokwane, back in december. They then say the judgement is not the reason for the recall, but it was 9 months since Polokwane, what were they waiting for?

Leadership: Zuma was apparently opposed to the recall, but when asked about this, both Mantashe and Phosa evade the question, talking about the NEC, and not clearly identifying the stance Zuma took.

Respect: They say they respect Mbeki, and yet they sit by as their Youth league publicly makes comments that disrespect Mbeki, who is old enough to be his grandfather.

All in all, I dont think all is lost. I just want to appeal to the ANC, Malema needs to be put on a leash, I do not think anyone of the sane members of the ANC are happy to have him on the loose like this, then I don't know.
Also, the defensive nature they take in answering the question does not help the ANC, particularly Matthews Phosa. Last night on Asikhulume, he seemed ready to fight!

Dimago
22 Sep 2008 01:25

We'll make it Tox, lets be hopeful.

belz
22 Sep 2008 01:27

This is sad, as i watched Mbeki yesterday i thot God, what is happening.

Username
22 Sep 2008 01:29

Goodbye Mr. President, your speech made me move from not liking you to loving you.

“When the sun is shining on your side, do not rejoice and claim victory, when the sun falls on you, do not claim defeat”

Democracy has become the b**** and the ANC is the pimp. Lord is with us, we can only call upon you for direction as we are being led by wolves in sheep’s clothing.

Toodecent
22 Sep 2008 01:33

Democracy has become the b**** and the ANC is the pimp>>> Unfortunately dmocracy doesnt exist anymore, I never liked Mbeki but with all this *bleep!* I knew he was president of this country for a good course. All this so called greats are sitting up there enriching themselves and dont want to be exposed of their criminal activities. *bleep!* am depressed....mara Lord be with us.

Sobza
22 Sep 2008 01:33

That Asikhulume guy is not strong enough to host that show!!!

That's true. Matthew Phosa bulldozed him. Since Xolani left, there hasn't been any strong presenter. Maybe they should consider Robert Marawa.

Shadow
22 Sep 2008 01:34

Also, the defensive nature they take in answering the question does not help the ANC, particularly Matthews Phosa. Last night on Asikhulume, he seemed ready to fight!
Ogh...i so wanted to give Phosa a HOT CLAP!!!! He was also constantly interrupting when other panellists are giving his views. What a nerve!

Firstdvd
22 Sep 2008 01:35

Positive guys :-) let us respect their decision...They know izinto esingazazi...

Shadow
22 Sep 2008 01:35

when other panellists are giving his views
meant - When other panellists are giving their views.......

Thesh
22 Sep 2008 01:39

Its so interesting to hear what you guys are saying, why do we hate Mbeki so much, is it because he was "aloof" as most people say it, or is it because of how he did things, this is my opinion, most of us hate Mbeki because we wanted him to do things our way, but let us ask ourselves, was that best for the country. I don't think it was.

Why are we voting, is it to have someone who is loved by most people because he can dance and sing, or do we want to see our economy grow, which I think with TM's efforts that happened, and yes he travelled a lot, which is why RSA is recognised throughout the world, so why do we want to punish him, we cannot compare TM and JZ they are two different people, the other one is driven by education and the other by popularity, will he be able deliver.

wait till this very Malema and Vavi, till they can't get what they are there for, what will happen then. more separation.

I hope Ramaphosa and others could form their party, and see how many people will be left in the JZ squad. those who can think for themselves.

Sorry for the long esay

Nonny
22 Sep 2008 01:43

Guys, ya'll know politics ain't my thing. I've never voted, and I certyainly don't plan on voting next year *oh thank GAAD I ain't even gonna be in SA at that time*............but seriously Tbose's speech left me so saddened.

Mathaz
22 Sep 2008 01:45

Julious Malema, Tokyo Sexwale, Cyril Ramaphosa, Lindiwe Sisulu, Jeff Radebe and Blade Ndzimande according to weekend reports argued strongly for Mbeki's removal. They might not have seen the good leader that i see in him but what i liked about him was his african renaissance. Mbeki understood that we cannot flourish whilst the rest of the African countries are in war or dire poverty. He is truly an African leader and droce NEPAD to the fore.

Mathwes Phosa even says that they will let him continue with Sudan and Zimambabwe because they know that they can never find an African visionary leader that he is in their midst. Mbeki was misunderstood by many but loved and respected by myself. He was born to be a leader and trained to be a leader at a tender age.

The way this whole debacle was handled was sad and vindictive. I mean he was only left with six months, what harm was he going to do within this period? It's sad because world wide he is held at high esteem whilst here at home people are jeolous of his intellect. Mbeki was their common enemy and now that he has been "eliminated", the real politics can begin. There will be so much infighting in the ANC that they will someday have to remember him since he's being blamed for the party's division.

As usual, Zuma does not have a say in what the NEC decides, he might have tried to persuade them to let him stay until next year but when he talks he just whispers and no one takes him seriously in the NEC. I guess their main goal was to ensure that Mbeki does not go down as having served his two terms.

Sobza
22 Sep 2008 01:45

What I sense here is that the ANC, SACP and Youth League are looking for someone they can toy around with. A Yes Man and JZ seems like a right candidate.

You toe our line and you are safe. TM was not that kind of a leader. We will wait and see

Cande
22 Sep 2008 02:04

We have to ask Mangope and his party for tickets to return home, this is bad for our country's economy..if half of the ministers have to leave with Mbeki, what then??
PLEASE people who keep on saying Mbeki tried influencing the judiciary, that is NOT a fact but an opinion...just as it was an opinion said by that Judge Nicholson who confused the nation and ANC..He didnt have proof of what he was saying, and that is very baad for a judge...

carino
22 Sep 2008 02:05

All i have to say to Malema right now is what Jerry Mofokeng said to Tsotsi:

**Are you happy now? hee? Is jy nou bly? You've made an old man piss on himself... Are happy now??**

Thesh
22 Sep 2008 02:06

What I sense here is that the ANC, SACP and Youth League are looking for someone they can toy around with. A Yes Man and JZ seems like a right candidate. @ Sobza, ke lame leo.

I agree with you fully on this one. I just hope they know and understand exactly what they are doing.

As for ANCYL leader, does he have matric, cause the way he disrespects elders tells me that he is not educated, either ebusheni bakhe or education wise.

So my question would be, are these the kind of people we want to lead us, people with no morale.

I cannot be proud of a president who took a shower to eliminate AIDS risk, where does this leave me as a woman in SA.

Believe me I told myself that I won't vote, but if I don't that means they will have the majority votes, so I'm voting for a different party.

I hope Holomisa, Zille and Patricia could merge, then they have my vote.

felfel
22 Sep 2008 02:11

That judge Nichol what what should also be investigated.....

ngwana
22 Sep 2008 02:14

I dont trust the ANC and a m not voting for them next year... poor Mbeki... I didn't like him but am saddened by the hostile takeover by Gwede and friends!!>>>

I know what you mean, but who do we vote for cause the DA is big no no, some of their member where in the parties that oppressed black people in the past - i know things have changed but still...

Dont even get me started on that Malema character; he is loose cannon and will be the Zuma camp's downfall. He has no respect what so ever, he calls the president of the country by his first name.

Nonny
22 Sep 2008 02:22

"It's sad because world wide he is held at high esteem whilst here at home people are jeolous of his intellect. Mbeki was their common enemy and now that he has been "eliminated", the real politics can begin. There will be so much infighting in the ANC that they will someday have to remember him since he's being blamed for the party's division."
@ Mathaz, I couldn't agree with u more, they will remember him and they will soon realise that just becoz he doesn't sing and dance with the people at grassroot level, that didn't mean he is a bad leader.

"As for ANCYL leader, does he have matric, cause the way he disrespects elders tells me that he is not educated, either ebusheni bakhe or education wise."
@ Thesh, it does not take education for a young man to respect his elders. even if he has standard 5 *which is probablly all he has" the way he treated Mbeki was uncalled for, I mean where is ubuntu in that? I don't understand why the ANCYL does not like taking a decent aproach in anything they do, it's always barbaric.

All I know is that the day Zuma is elected as the president of this country *which is somehow seeming inevitable*, there are so many people that he owes favours, I tell u that chiskop of his is gonna shine as if he has applied Mr Musle on it!!!!

Renegade
22 Sep 2008 02:22

Doom and despondency have never defeated adversity.

Mr Mbeki, nothing could be truer.

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 02:23

Sobza......Ay mina I don't know what to say anymore about this politics things coz uyabona nje everything is ruled and no-one will fix it, Ok People love UMsholozi but once he bocome the SA President I'm telling we gonna have unstopped violence in country. I wish Madiba is still young coz he's the one and only who can lead the SA
@Tesh ... why do we hate Mbeki so much? Because he is useless, he can't take care of his own country but he's very good at other country.

Strolicious
22 Sep 2008 02:25

what goes around
comes around...........kusho u JT

Poor madala izolo he luked so humble.....

carino
22 Sep 2008 02:25

And mna I see a very strong opposition party emerging out of the ANC.... Everyone that doesnt support this anti-Mbeki revolution should start a new party that we can vote for next year.

carino
22 Sep 2008 02:27

All I know is that the day Zuma is elected as the president of this country *which is somehow seeming inevitable*, there are so many people that he owes favours, I tell u that chiskop of his is gonna shine as if he has applied Mr Musle on it!!!!

LMAO kwa kwa kwa

Nonny
22 Sep 2008 02:31

Poor madala izolo he luked so humble.....
Stroh mfethu, u could see the sorrow in his eyes yazi bengifisa ngathi ngingamupha istiff se Jameson, just so he could thatha isibindi.

Renegade
22 Sep 2008 02:33

And JZ's absence was extremely conspicuous!

kick-s
22 Sep 2008 02:37

I can't even say Good morning because there is nothing good about this morning.
First, Last and Always, i would like to say Thank You, Congratulations and Bon Voyage to the Renaissance man. A great man who not only took Africa to the world, but brought the world to Africa. A great leader who was the driver of the South African economy since he took to office in 1999.
ZIZI, I'm sure you sleep with a clear conscience at night, because you served your country well. The ANC executive committe may not appreciate your sterling work throughout the years, but bona kuqala with their pot-bellies, they're enjoying the fruits of your hard work. You ran your race tata and ngoku, just bow down gracefully akhonto.
They say "Some are born great (Mbeki), some achieve greatness (Mbete), and some have greatness thrust upon them( Zuma). Zizi you were born to govern and as South Africans we give you a Standing ovation becase UGQATSO LWAKHO ULUFEZILE...

Nonny
22 Sep 2008 02:38

And JZ's absence was extremely conspicuous!
yes Rene, it was all part of the "plan" to make Zuma seem as though he didn't motivate Mbeki's resignation.

Luksta
22 Sep 2008 02:40

Kuyozwakala! (in Lindelani's voice)
Where's Andi??? *shouting

Luksta
22 Sep 2008 02:41

Kuyozwakala! (in Lindelani's voice)
Where's Andi???

Thesh
22 Sep 2008 02:44

Talking about Mbete, I heard during the SABC 3 News, they were talking about her rise to leadership, I was shock to hear how many times she has been accused or fined since she was in the limelight. It seems like now our presinency will consist of Crime Accused people.

PY
22 Sep 2008 02:46

I like politics although i dont know much about them...(probably what made me to like them its the apartheid era).....
I belive (not exactly sure) that Mbeki may have meddled in ANC President Jacob Zuma's prosecution and that is the real reason the ANC has decided to recall(removed from office) President Thabo Mbeki before the end of his term next year.

Its an unfair dismisal....coz 1. he was not accused of rape
                                                 2. he was not accused of fraud
                                                 3. or any other crime....etc...etc...etc...
I personally dont think that this is a reason enough.....(what will the other countries say about this??)
Mzantsi (SA) has issues...first it was the xenophobic attacks...(no comment) and now its the President being dimissed for no good enough reason...this might bring problems for the 2010 World Cup.....
The leaders should have been patient...its only 7 months left....Zuma has a lot of fans....everything he says goes....Zuma should have stopped them frm dismissing the PRESIDENT, i'm sure they would have listened to him....
In the news i've seen Julius Malema, so proud of what he said " that they will crush everybody who is in the ANC/ cabinet " (straight to Thabo)....what does that mean.....frm a young leader.....to an old man (old enough to be his father)...whos not just an old man...a PRESIDENT....
Mr Mbeki...did his job....in this 10 years (and 5 years of Mandela)....we have seen the changes although the others are still in the process......dont tell me that he had'nt do anything OR u had not seen any changes for the past 9 years.....
From the vaaa vaaa voooom of Zuma and friends I think hes gonna do way better than Thabo did.....i'm expecting sth new from him...not the usuals...like RDP houses, Grant, Pension...etc
If you have noticed....we have 2 ANC's now.....(dont want to get into details...or what might happen in the near future).....I think that UDM, NNP, AZAPO, PAC, IFP, ID...and the other organisations are loughing at us (ANC) saying that "look at them they are fighting with each other"....
I felt for Mr Mbeki.....coz I dont see any crime on this....i dont see people voting after this....we are the ones who voted for him   and i personally think that he ANC cabinet should have taken this matter to us...and decides on our views
Zuma is our future PRESIDENT AND AN ANC PRESIDENT...but he did nothing about this matter...as i said before he should have stopped them coz he has a power to do so.....i think this is a revenge of sth (as i said that i dont know much about politics)....i'm not against ZUMA being the president....its been long enough for Thabo (10 years)...But he does not deserve this...
SORRY FOR THE LONG REPLY...THAT WAS MY OPINIONS NOT FACTS
VIVA ANC VIVA........................................

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 02:47

yazi bengifisa ngathi ngingamupha istiff se Jameson, just so he could thatha isibindi...Ha ha! You very naughty wena Nonny

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 02:47

yazi bengifisa ngathi ngingamupha istiff se Jameson, just so he could thatha isibindi...Ha ha! You very naughty wena Nonny yazi what

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 02:47

yazi bengifisa ngathi ngingamupha istiff se Jameson, just so he could thatha isibindi...Ha ha! You very naughty wena Nonny yazi what you

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 02:47

yazi bengifisa ngathi ngingamupha istiff se Jameson, just so he could thatha isibindi...Ha ha! You very naughty wena Nonny yazi what you saying

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 02:47

yazi bengifisa ngathi ngingamupha istiff se Jameson, just so he could thatha isibindi...Ha ha! You very naughty wena Nonny yazi what you saying about

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 02:47

yazi bengifisa ngathi ngingamupha istiff se Jameson, just so he could thatha isibindi...Ha ha! You very naughty wena Nonny yazi what you saying about uMadala

Da Rebel
22 Sep 2008 02:48

ANC has become a circus nxa!!

nonetheless I'm still gonna vote for it just to prevent South Africa from being ruled by a DA! Yerrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

molibelis
22 Sep 2008 02:49

@ Strooooooo what goes around
comes around...........kusho u JT

Poor madala izolo he luked so humble....Strooooooo .A u going to Vote Next Year? I am not going to vote cause i hate Zuma with all my Heart........I was listening to the news this morning they say if Thabo a theoha setulong Economy is going to be Pooooor, i wonder if Zuma will do something, and next time they will want hore Zuma a theohe le yena i hate Polotics(Where is MADIBA cant he say something to Julius Dibono tsa Malema)

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 02:50

Phephisani yazi I was not finish yet to give replies but I don't knw what happened.
Uxolo bakwethu with my multiple replies

mabhebheza
22 Sep 2008 02:53

Hip Hip Hooray .....*shouting 4rm the top of my voice*

My personal opinion i neva liked Mbeki 4rm the day he was appointed til ngoku yes he might have done good but becoz i neva liked him i didnt see ezozinto ezinhle..in simple terms igazi lam nelakhe belinga hambelani so ke Im rejoicing ....

Politics is a dirty bizniss & i second wat First dvd has said the is more than what we know so getting worked up is not going 2help ...bona they have a plan

Askhulume was hilirious izolo they realy need 2get a new presenter that madraids guy unejuju!

Username
22 Sep 2008 02:53

@ Nonny: For someone who politics is not their cup of tea, you sure got me clapping like lunatic. ditto!

molibelis
22 Sep 2008 02:54

@ Jada Pinkett Malema O qadile hape with yr multiple responses

Nonny
22 Sep 2008 02:59

@ Nonny: For someone who politics is not their cup of tea, you sure got me clapping like lunatic. ditto!
Thanks Username, I always avoid political blogs, but this time I just couldn't sit back and be a silent blogger!!!

JadaPinkett
22 Sep 2008 03:00

@ Molibelis...Kanti what does sorry mean...anyway ngiyakwazi wena uhlale unezakho ngish umuntu angakugeza izinyawo kahle but uzocmplainer uthi amanzi ayashisa/ ayabanda.

Strolicious
22 Sep 2008 03:01

Molib>>>>i've never voted b4,I rather hold my vote next year if this whole madness is not resolved, the sad thing is we are fighting against each other and the white ppl are laughing at us.

Now the other parties see an opportunity to take over the country, because the dominating party is loosing it,

For this is all madness a

Renegade
22 Sep 2008 03:02

Askhulume was hilirious izolo they realy need 2get a new presenter that madraids guy unejuju

I don't know what "juju" is, but I agree with you. Since Xolani, no one's been on point, the girl was bad, and this guys is bad.
But on SABC 3's interface last night, Tshepiso was interviewing Mantashe, and she was great. So was Vuyo this morning while interviewing Mantashe...hehe.

Segololo
22 Sep 2008 03:13

where is Andi? Was she eliminated? or did they go for Mr Pres because they decided to go big after Andi exposed some secrets on the eliminated blog?

Mathaz
22 Sep 2008 03:14

The Asikhuleme guy needs more training and confidence. I'm starting to do research on ACDP and AZAPO, i think i'll vote for one of them and i understand that AZAPO is for intellects. One thing for sure the ANC has been hugely divided by this decision and it's bye bye to their 2/3 majority. I mean really there are 400 seats in parliament and the ANC holds 290 something seats, now that's not healty for any democratic state.

Toodecent
22 Sep 2008 03:16

I have a brilliant idea which can be possible in the next 4 months or so. Since Bantu Holomisa was with the ANC before and has his own party how about Thabo Mbeki with his 40% of ANC probably merge with UDM and ID then create one massive kick ass party up for election next year. Then we beat all those mafacka s up there.....Once we vote and Win Mbeki (President) De Lille ( Vice President) Holomisa (Prime Minister) then we have abo Ngcakula,Nquka,Shilowa and company........!

kick-s
22 Sep 2008 03:20

Since Xolani, no one's been on point, the girl was bad, and this guy is bad.
It's not an easy task stepping onto a great man's shoes. Let's see how Mbete will manage this one.

TerryN
22 Sep 2008 03:28

Poor madala izolo he luked so humble.....
Thats true Molibelis! I personally have always been wishing him the same humilation he caused JZ in 2005 BUT lastnite he really moved my heart with his speech. So sad. Shame, he must have dragged himself to show his face on national tv.
For the first time I hear him reaching out to people. (like that)
The ANC and the crew must be singing *Changes in my/our life" kind of song:-)

Thesh
22 Sep 2008 03:37

@ Stro, i've never voted b4,I rather hold my vote next year if this whole madness is not resolved, the sad thing is we are fighting against each other and the white ppl are laughing at us.

I would advice you to vote, not voting will not solve anything, you can vote for someone else, or another party, at this moment I'm not sure which one, but ANC needs to know that we are not their puppets, and start treatng us like human being who can think for themselves. as they can't even think for themselve

mazemnyama
22 Sep 2008 03:40

My biggest issues are:
6 Months remaining: Would someone really have died if they left Thabo in office? What this paints a picture of, is vindictiveness, plain and simple.

couldnt have said it better myself. That Phosa person made this even more clear kuu asikhulume izolo. they cannot justify why they fired him, 'they' speak of other matters 'they' discussed which made them come to the conclusion that TM is incompetent. what are these other issues that we as voters are not informed about??? what is this new +-6 month president gonna do to rectify them??
this whole thing stinks and as much as the ANC thinks its got supporters they are not doing anything to keep their supporters instead they are dividing and driving them away.
what with their scandals and hidden agendas not to mention the statements they make in public. Phosa was very defensive last night, he didnt assure me that the ANC is united!!!!! and they are not getting my vote ke qha

PY
22 Sep 2008 03:50

MY FAVOURATE LINES FROM SOBZA'S ARTICLE:
X Mantashe said Mbeki, who has ruled Africa's largest economy since taking over for Nelson Mandela in 1999
X "He did not display shock... he welcomed the news and agreed that he is going to participate in the process and the formalities."
X Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka has already indicated that she would resign should the president resign. And half the cabinet might follow Mbeki

mazemnyama
22 Sep 2008 03:53

u judge nicholson yena needs to justify his remarks, he cant go around making statements like that kodwa uyabona si confused as it is. if he conducted an investigation and found that TM had meddled in the Zuma case he must come out and say so not make insinuations that are gonna divide the ppl

molibelis
22 Sep 2008 03:54

SA is going nowhere, we are now like Zimbabweans(sp)

molibelis
22 Sep 2008 04:05

Pls dnt VOTE Guys............

tha - bang
22 Sep 2008 04:13

Ha ! the times are truely changing.
The good thing about this fiasco is that it has reinstated the fact that the ANC thinks of itself first and the nation second. We saw this at Polokwane and with the firing of Mbeki, who was (by default of of being ANC president) voted by more people who are not necessarily ANC card carrying members.People like myself.But the ANC on itsown decide that they'll chuck him out of government without consulting that voting public that voted for a Thabo Mbeki ANC government.
No matter his shortcomings,Thibos had done a lot of good for the country and does not deserve this exit.
Next year people when we vote remember 2008, that your vote gave a party the power to dismantle the NPA (without consulting you), Fire the president (without consulting you) and put us in the dire situation we are in. A 2/3rd majority for ANC again will be a crime and a shame on all of us the voting public and sa citizens.
Not voting means all those jiggaman supporters are going to run away with the poll. Let's speak up against what we dont want to be done in our names,people lets vote vext year to make a difference

Thesh
22 Sep 2008 04:13

Molib, we need to vote, so that we are not led like puppets or people who are so eager to have a president, such that our interests as a nation are not considered, by people who are power hungry.

Rather give you vote to someone else.

Cande
22 Sep 2008 04:20

I wish the MP dont resign, otherwise we have a crisis in our hands...

MAlema said last week that, the president candidate position you dont need to advertise the post, or conduct interview..you can just hire someone to replace him....I give up on this boy

tha - bang
22 Sep 2008 04:22

Molib, we need to vote, so that we are not led like puppets or people who are so eager to have a president, such that our interests as a nation are not considered, by people who are power hungry.
Rather give you vote to someone else
I'm with you Thesh,people need to vote next year to show the ANC that they are not going to stand for blantant misuse of power and authority. we can never ever again ever givethe ANC a 2/3rd majority never again people.

Nonny
22 Sep 2008 04:23

people lets vote vext year to make a difference
Vote for who Tha-bang??? If I knew who to vote for believe me I'd vote in a second.

Nonny
22 Sep 2008 04:24

people lets vote vext year to make a difference
Vote for who Tha-bang??? If I knew who to vote for believe me I'd vote in a second.

carino
22 Sep 2008 04:29

I echo tha-bang's words....Lets vote, mense.....

But the question is, who do we vote for???

Which brings us straight back to me & tdc's suggestion: a new oppositions party emerged out of the ANC... everyone that supports Our President, T-man... should have another Movement.... but to be a member, you should be sure you are fit to dodge the elimination bullets... coz...the times are gon be hard...

Toodecent
22 Sep 2008 04:33

people lets vote vext year to make a difference
Vote for who Tha-bang??? If I knew who to vote for believe me I'd vote in a second.>>>> Anyone as long as its not those power hungry people called ANC. people like UDM can make a difference. Anyway they still can rig the damn votes gwa tshwana mxnnm

Cande
22 Sep 2008 04:34

ja Thabang but who should we vote for?? Cant vote DA,ID,IFP, ANCand all the other parties, who should i vote for? and independent candidate??
I am not wasting my time..
Zuma owes a lot of people favours if he become president next year...

tha - bang
22 Sep 2008 04:52

Anyone as long as its not those power hungry people called ANC. people like UDM can make a difference. im with TDC just pick and choose a party that will be able to counter the ANC and keep them on the straight and narrow.if uousit at home with your vote,you are also legitimising the government. Cause thecard carrying member all 500 000 of them will go and vote,theres more of us than them.but if they vote more than us ,whose voice is going to be heard?
come vote people

Dee
22 Sep 2008 04:53

He might have not been perfect in everything.....but sure did his best and lifted his country to the global standards...people can never be 100 pleased!

SA is going down the drain right now, mna ndiyacaphuka streit because I dont understand all of this. We have lost a very intelligent, EDUCATED GENTLEMAN (unlike other people) who has respect for his people for a President and I dont know if we will ever get another one who will match up to his calibre in every aspect......Let them haters have the power.....mcimmmm....!!!!

Well done President Mbeki!

Cande
22 Sep 2008 04:53

I was soo sad yesterday after T-bose's sppech, i just read it now on news24.com and i am feeling depressed!!!

Cande
22 Sep 2008 04:54

I was soo sad yesterday after T-bose's sppech, i just read it now on news24.com and i am feeling depressed!!!

azHOT
22 Sep 2008 04:58

yho haai!!!! ukube u Mbeki uyablogger e tvsa he'd be having a scotch and cigar marvelling at our collective naievity.

i must say though, freedom of speech is the *bleep!*!!!!

blog on and lets vent and air our opinions, no matter how thwarted!!!

Mabhebheza: ur mind is something of a mystery to me kodwa Ngikuthandan!!!!!

Mtyi
22 Sep 2008 05:00

I also like being a silent blogger but I have to agree with you @Sobza,the Asikhulume presenter,could nt handle the heat with Mr Phosa,he kept on intimidating him and interrrupting with nasty comments.I ve always heard that this man is arrogant and I tend to agree........I missed Xolani big time last nyt. (Maybe it also help to be on top of issues when dealing with current affairs programmes so that when ppl like Phosa remind u of a political incident that happened in the 90s,u are awareand be on tops)

On the issue of Mr Mbeki.the timing is completely wrong.the ruling party,nesigqeba sayo culd have waited for the next 6 months or even less becoz the Cabinet is not working in Dec anyway,to allow a smooth transition between this Cabinet and the new one coming into place.

The launch that the Pres was going to attend in New York this week for SA 2010 might be dented with his resignantion.As much as we have been assured that 2010 will not be affected by this political change,it will have an impact,lets wait and see

Foreign investers might look elsewhere as soon as they identify political instability in this country.people like Tokyo shuld have thought about these things before saying,"we cant spend another day with Thabo Mbeki in power"

I must say the strategy of bidding farewell by Mr Mbeki on a national tv last nyt was moving,he did it in a dignified manner and left a touching mark in our hearts.

Aluta Continua Mr Mbeki with 24 Apex priorities!

Thesh
22 Sep 2008 05:02

Mense, let us not give up this easy, I still have hope that some good will come out of this, I think its time we investigated what other parties can do for us, or can listen to the public,

Zuma is out of question, I'm not sure who else we can vote for, but the thing is we should not allow JZ to get the majority sits in the parliament, lets mobilize other parties, or rather let all the parties have more or less equal sits in the parliament, so that we don't have to listen to the ANC and the Malema likes talking nonsense in the public,

I believe if the power is shared equally amongst all the parties, no one will have teh right to do as they please without consulting others.

PY
22 Sep 2008 05:06

Just take a look at his pic........you can just tell.....hes innocent....worried about the south africans future....
Oh shame his grandmother said "they are the ones (ANC) who placed you as a president...and now they want you out"..... "just do as they want my grandson"

i like they way his had handled this matter it showed that hes a real PRESIDENT, and that he has been brought up very well...Thumbs Up to Mbekis family epecially to you Govern Mbeki....may ur soul rest in peace....may you wipe out ur sons tears...

Best-Achiever
22 Sep 2008 05:06

'Kgalema Motlanthe named as president'
22/09/2008 11:29 - (SA)

Cape Town - The deputy leader of South Africa's ruling ANC, Kgalema Motlanthe, will be appointed as the country's president after the resignation of Thabo Mbeki, party sources said on Monday.

Motlanthe, who already sits in the Cabinet, was named to take over from Mbeki until elections due around April next year during a meeting of the ANC's parliamentary caucus, ANC members of parliament told Reuters on condition of anonymity.

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/TheEndofMbeki/0,,2-7-2457_2397597,00.html

kick-s
22 Sep 2008 05:07

If Zuma becomes president, we'll have abooMalema as ministers of Finance. i think Tbose was right when he said 'there's no crises in Zimbabwe"...because icrises is right here at home!

Cande
22 Sep 2008 05:07

Thesh you have a valid point there, maybe if they equally share the seats in parliament then they will be some law & order

Toodecent
22 Sep 2008 05:11

'Kgalema Motlanthe named as president'
22/09/2008 11:29 - (SA) >>> I guess they trying to get Limpopo and North West's support by doing this......anyhow they are f^cked.

PY
22 Sep 2008 05:15

Corrections
i like they way he had handled this matter
Thumbs Up to Mbekis family especially to you Govern Mbeki

mabhebheza
22 Sep 2008 05:25

Thanda nam AZhot .....Im singing his song 4Mbeki
*dedela abanye aw dedela abanye*
I will proudly vote & my vote wont be my secret im sharing it

ZUMA: X

I think i spoke 2soon on that jigga-man article ka Thabang ...halala!

Mathaz
22 Sep 2008 05:25

I thought they did not want to place Kgalema there because they do not trust him especially since he is the only one who has balls to stand up against that Malema boy.

carino
22 Sep 2008 05:26

huuuuuuuuu wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!

Cody
22 Sep 2008 05:28

Gosh whatever Mbeki did i dont care, my heart just bleeds for him.not that he is my favourite president but hai this is bad. this political unsteadyness is going to bite us in the ass very soon............................................

lepogo
22 Sep 2008 05:31

Change was inevitable-but the Revolution is known for devouring its own children..

Othewr than that Ive always been a gr8 fan of Mbeki,and he acted in character-stoic and composed and statemanlike.

Pity these morons wont vote again.....

Nonny
22 Sep 2008 05:35

LOL @ huuuuuu wiiii ka Cariri.........heheheh wena uthanda kabi ukudala!!!

nkanyezi
22 Sep 2008 05:55

NKANYEZI FOR PRESIDENT!!! ; )

myname
22 Sep 2008 06:14

Everything is K*K & 2 b honest I AM NOT GOING TO VOTE NEXT YEAR F*** ANC!!!! F*** JUDUIS CARLOS MALEMA!!!!! ........Im so sick of this country plus nezizirhama zeANC zonke

molibelis
22 Sep 2008 06:33

I think Chinese must go back home and bring us some Booms so that we can Fight we can share ourselves Mbeki's and Zuma's re *donnorane goed* Ho lwanwe once and 4all........cause now they want Zuma and we want Mbeki.....i trully love this Dude and the way he handles the Zimbabweans Matters,

Next time they will complain saying they dnt want Zuma he is so nad so........

Toodecent
22 Sep 2008 06:43

ANC's Zuma says decision on Mbeki was difficult
Mon 22 Sep 2008, 9:39 GMT

JOHANNESBURG (Reuters) - ANC leader Jacob Zuma said on Monday that the decision to ask President Thabo Mbeki to resign as president of the country was one of the most difficult in the history of the ruling party.

Zuma, in his first public remarks after Mbeki's resignation, told a news conference in Johannesburg that the decision was taken to help South Africa move forward>>>>>> W.T.F Moving forward meaninf f^cking up our beautiful country with his corrupt croonies, sh!t this people really think for only themselves. He must be very happy because removing Mbeki was the only way to escape his corruption charges..! Damn morons.

pinkdollar
22 Sep 2008 06:48

Today's such a sad day indeed. I'm not fan of Mbeki but not his hater either but i think this could have been handled differently. Its scary what the next rulers will do once they get into those positions.It tells you that 1. they dont fear the law 2. they take law enforcers on if they feel threatened. I swore that í'd leave this country the day Zuma became president - but it looks like i should start packing ...

Strolicious
22 Sep 2008 06:53

Mbeki unesinyama kumele ahlabe inkukhu egay,maybe izinto zizomhambela kahle........Nkanyezi i will vote for you

mpule
22 Sep 2008 06:56

I hope Speaker, Baleka Mbethe, is named interim president. Having said that, I believe Thabo did some good and some bad for SA but my overall rating is positive. I think he has undoubtedly left a legacy as far as:
- The african renaissance (I mostly admire him for this)
- A stable economy (with competent people like Trevor and Tito during his term of office)
The bad:
- 'HIV does not cause AIDS' (yo!)
- Vusi Pikoli issue (Tboz couldn't help but be subjective in this matter as in the Zuma case)

An intellectual who took the reigns from Madiba (the reconciller) and made things happen. I hope whoever becomes President after next year's elections will take our country to the next level. If they do anything less than that, they'll be insulting Madiba's noble dream.

bulelwa08
22 Sep 2008 06:57

Guyz I feel bad about Mbeki shame bantu it was not gud, yha right He did what ever but to be fired no, its just a humiliation. On the other hand mayb this is a lesson even to our next presidents.

myname
22 Sep 2008 07:16

Say that again TDC. They are selfish. Im not into politics but this makes me sick. All they want is this "stupid seat" which is NO ONE WILL JUST SEAT ngathi use-toilet uyakaka. We are talking about the President of SA not whose mshini is bigger than who or can make many babies & eat whoever wants to eat. This country is a SHAME & im no longer proud 2 b a S. African................ Zizikelem zodwa lezi zeANC

azHOT
22 Sep 2008 07:28

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

realist
22 Sep 2008 07:31

Wasn’t a precedent set in this matter?

carino
22 Sep 2008 07:36

the decision to ask President Thabo Mbeki to resign as president of the country was one of the most difficult in the history of the ruling party.

Clearly he's never been part of any difficult decisions made in the party??

carino
22 Sep 2008 07:39

the decision to ask President Thabo Mbeki to resign as president of the country was one of the most difficult in the history of the ruling party.

Clearly he's never been part of any difficult decisions made in the party??

hlonok
22 Sep 2008 07:41

There is a Political Interest in this.Cde's must forget Polokoane Conference differences and unite and start building the ANC that is strong as the ANC says they build a caring society advancing in unity towards 2012.Cde's lets set the good example.

carino
22 Sep 2008 07:41

the decision to ask President Thabo Mbeki to resign as president of the country was one of the most difficult in the history of the ruling party.

Clearly he's never been part of any difficult decisions made in the party??

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 07:48

He had it coming, What goes around comes around!!. I have no sympathy for him. the guy was useless done nothing good but munipulating and humilating his poor cabinet. FIREEEEEEEEEEED. and for Gogo Helen Zille she'll never rest untill DA rule again, which will never happen in this country I live in!! VIVA ANC!!! Very well done! Jacob Zuma Go for it Boss! take power as you suppose to.

carino
22 Sep 2008 07:55

The people that are saying... it is good for mbeki to be eliminated so that he'd also feel the humiliation that Zuma felt when he was fired.... your argument is very shallow...

If we go through life humiliating people becoz they humiliated us some years ago, where exactly are we going???

Coz, if thats the principle, i suppose it means as soon as this government of yours takes over, the black people are going to start humiliating the white folks coz they humiliated them some time ago.

lepogo
22 Sep 2008 07:56

This is a feeding frenzy-manong as Mo Molemi once said,ba batla go ja ba sa tsoma-

Typical Mzantsi mentality-we see this in all aspects of our lives,inSoccer,in the workplace,in churches and even in schools-the typical South African kicks someone who is already keeling at death's door.

Dont start me with the ANC,full of hungry stomachs,ready to usher in whoever who will attend to their stomachs

mabhebheza
22 Sep 2008 07:58

Ayoba Tholi Ayoba ,,,,,,haburi Gwa!!!!!!

carino
22 Sep 2008 08:01

eish ba batla go ja ba sa tsoma, tota lepogo... Bogodu! sies!

TerryN
22 Sep 2008 08:01

^5 (Take 5) Tholi...
I could kiss you...:-)

carino
22 Sep 2008 08:02

This whole thing is quite frustrating, actually....

realist
22 Sep 2008 08:03

Funny how history has a tendency of repeating itself. . I guess they were giving him a taste of his own medicine.

lepogo
22 Sep 2008 08:07

Funny how everyone sees a repeat of history-what are you comparing this to?

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:14

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to looking after his dad's livestock.

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:17

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock.

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:17

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock.

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:20

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock.

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:21

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock.

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:21

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:21

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:21

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:22

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above,

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:22

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:23

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:23

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:23

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:23

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke.

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:23

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:24

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:24

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that guy

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:25

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that guy whats

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:25

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that guy whats his

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:25

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that guy whats his name

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:25

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that guy whats his name? horrable

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:25

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya Dutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that guy whats his name? horrable misa

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:25

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya eDutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that dude from UDM, whats his name? Horrable Misa. who the hell he think he is?

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:26

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya eDutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that dude from UDM, whats his name? Horrable Misa ( Holomisa). who the hell he think he is?

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:28

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya eDutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that dude from UDM, whats his name? Horrable Misa ( Holomisa). who the hell he think he is?

Tholi
22 Sep 2008 08:29

Tazzy, Mabhebheza you are such darlings. When its a Political Part that knows what good for the country is ANC dam they so good. Thabo Mugabe was a waite of time, never cut his hair never mind shaving intshebe, if he can't take care of himself how can he take care of us. Shame la mkhulu I heard that usehambile waya eDutywa to look after his livestock. check the pic above, the guy is a joke. and for that dude from UDM, whats his name? Horrable Misa ( Holomisa). who the hell he think he is?

FK
22 Sep 2008 08:29

The people that are saying... it is good for mbeki to be eliminated so that he'd also feel the humiliation that Zuma felt when he was fired.... your argument is very shallow...

Consistency, consistency bathong. T'Bose fired JZee based on the remarks made by Judge Squires. Firing T'Bose based on Judge Nicholson's remarks show consistency. Also, this is setting presedence that, if you interfere with the judicial system, you will pay. I even see this going further than that, if you don't deliver, you shall be recalled. Remember they want Manto out????

You must also remember that Zuma, was not in the forefront of the Arms deal. Zuma was not the ANC leader or the President. He was following orders. The money was given to T'Bose and not Zuma. T'bose distributed the funds.

If this case goes through, I feel sorry for boTat' uMandela, because apparently they are also implicated in this whole thing.

I don't like both of them however, I will still vote ANC.

pawagie
22 Sep 2008 08:31

Eish i jus pray and hope SA does not turn into another Zimbabwe..

As for Thabo at least he made history.....may more success come his way..

who are we to judge him....

tha - bang
22 Sep 2008 08:42

with motlhanthe being prez the plot just thickens.

myname
22 Sep 2008 09:16

There comes South African War I

Sdudla
22 Sep 2008 09:30

• There’s nothing fu***d up about what’s happening, its just POLITCS. It’s a pity that Mr Mbeki was removed in such a ruthless and disrespectful manner but then again, if you live by the sword you will die by the sword. I just hope the ANC leadership will now focus on reuniting the party and prepare for the 2009 elections because the vultures are certainly circling and people are being very emotional in their reactions. It’s a pity we did not react the same way when the Chief was getting rid of all his detractors many of whom now happen to be in the NEC. Had we reacted and called the chief to order maybe things would be very different today. Education means nothing if you cannot be a credible leader, I have two post-graduate degrees but that does not make me a better leader that a person who has matric but displays humility, insight and genuine leadership skills.

• We did not elect an individual to be the leader of the country, we elected an organisation; the ANC. The ANC therefore has a right to deploy and recall any comrade in the Movement. The ANC is not a Chieftancy or a family business where there are heirs for life or leaders for life. People must learn to let go when their time to relinquish power comes or else we will always end up with situations such as the one we find ourselves in. If Thabo had done the right thing and not presented himself as a candidate ePolokwane and instead chosen a successor, many people could have voted for that person. The ANC cadres chose JZ because they were given no other options to the person they did not want.

• Those who are pushing the Chief to lead a new party are cowards who have built their empires around one man and cannot imagine their future without this being in power. They are the very same people who misled him into contesting against Zuma in Polokwane, they continued to mislead him post-Polokwane. Who said that Mr Mbeki is the only man capable of leading our country? Is that not arrogance at its highest level? Thabo Mbeki is an incredibly intelligent man and a visionary but he is not a god and therefore (contrary to what these people think) the ANC will not collapse without Mr Mbeki at the helm. It will continue to exist just as it did after Luthuli, Tambo, Sisulu, Mbeki snr and Madiba. As long as the cadres remember and observe the policies and practicies of the ANC, our country will be just fine. I wonder at the motive behind those circulating e-mails telling people not to vote ANC under Jacob Zuma. The ANC is the ANC no matter who is leading it and for people to sit at home and not vote is very irresponsible. Your vote is your voice and change is inevitable and it is something that we must accept if we are to have a well-functioning society.
If we do not have change, we will find ourselves with another Mugabe (who is maintained in power by his ruthless army generals who fear for their future with Mugabe’s relinquishing of power), another Mobutu and another Idi Amin.

• Thabo did a lot for the country and for the continent especially in putting our Continent’s issues on the global agenda. His single-minded vision for the continent and his belief that he had to make sure that HE left a legacy of development and prosperity was also his Achilles heel. Mr Mbeki surrounded himself with yes-men who kow-towed to his every word and those who dissented were labeled leftists and removed from positions of power. Mr Mbeki’s situation reminds me of the Emperor whose people (in fear of retribution) lied to him and admired and gushed over his new clothes when he himself knew that he was naked. Fortunately, for the Emperor, he had copped on to the fact that his people were being less than honest with him and were just saying what he wanted to hear. I hope Mr Mbeki continues to be a loyal cadre of the ANC and puts the Movement’s best interests at heart.

Toodecent
22 Sep 2008 09:50

The people that are saying... it is good for mbeki to be eliminated so that he'd also feel the humiliation that Zuma felt when he was fired.... your argument is very shallow... >>>> I couldnt have put it in a better way Carino. Be prepared to go back to Tautona once the *bleep!* start developing.

Sexyzimasa
22 Sep 2008 11:05

Kudos Sdudla on valid and clever remarks

Beyonce
22 Sep 2008 11:38

Yho, ja you guys can speak your minds nneh... Good work

s@TDC-- I understand your frustrations my brother but swearing like that on TVSA is just not on, every post of yours has an Fword on it, that is a shame for someone who used to be a moderator! Pls get your act together and contain yourself like a DECENT man.

@Mabheby-- I love you I love you I love you.... you have no idea.

This is not revenge, this is politics--> you play like a dog, you die like a dog

Beyonce
22 Sep 2008 11:43

Sdudla--- where have you been the whole day? You make so much sense lady.

I like your 3rd paragraph even more!

*change*

Beyonce
22 Sep 2008 11:56

A very wise man wrote this today:

>>>>I see everyone is really upset by the way things unfolded this weekend BUT!!!
Lets not let our emotions get the better of us.

I'm no JZ fanatic or a TM ass kisser, fact is that it was found that the prez (well former prez) used state institutions to fight his political and personal battles, this my friends is major misconduct, especially for someone who holds (held) such a high position in the country. It's such a high misconduct that it is grounds for dismissal, Thabo knew this very well hence the willingness to step down. Now how can you blame the NEC for doing it's job?

The whole JZ saga was planned and crafted by your beloved ex president, the whole rape trial was a fallacy and a way to discredit Zuma, even the corruption trial was spearheaded by our now humiliated ex prez. It was easier for him to remove Tokyo and 'em and he thought Zuma would be an even easier opponent to "move out the way", but this Zuma cat is tougher than the shell of a tortoise, he weathered all that TM and th NPA had thrown at him and now it's ended with the president being exposed as a despot and tyrant.

Yeah he's done some good, he was the PRESIDENT!!!! he was supposed to advance the country anyway, don't be giving him credit for ish he was supposed to do anyway, that's NIGGER mentality. He was voted in power for his policies and he carried them out but in the middle of all that he got corrupted by power and now his ass has been exposed for the whole world to see. <<<<

Brown Shuga
22 Sep 2008 12:31

Thanks for that wonderful post Sdudla, you've helped me decide.

I know it's supposed to be a secret and all but I'm voting in 2009 and I'm voting the ANC. Just as I cannot bring myself to support any other team (no matter how cute the players) but Kaizer Chiefs, I cannot bring myself to vote any other party but the ANC. Yho, my later father would not be impressed if I voted anyone else.

If DA or any other party were to win, in my opinion it would be a STEP BACK for South Africa because just as the many new Bafana coaches fail to deliver and say they are "rebuilding the team", we would get the same excuses from the new government and they'll be saying that they are fixing the mess ups of their predecessors so I'd rather take a last chance with the ANC than vote for other peeps.
It is quite clear that even if the ANC wins the 2009 elections, they will not win with the same HUGE margins they are used to and I honestly believe that it will serve as a wake up call for them and they WILL make an effort to correct the wrongs they have made. Regardless of which party wins, there are NO GUARANTEES that it will be smooth sailing in their reign.

With people like Kgalema (whose name is so relevant right now) still in the ANC, I am hopeful that things will get better. He is one of the few people in the Snr Leadership of the ANC, that have demonstrated "ho ba ntate wa sebele" and this refers to his public "scolding" of that boy Malema amongst other things.
If Mbeki can be recalled from the Presidency then nothing stops the ANC (YL) from recalling Malema from the ANCYL presidency (right?)....we just need something to pin on him....and I'm sure arranging a DUI bust won't be a problem *hint hint*

Okay, maybe I'm a lil bit silly but South Africa, all I'm saying is that please DO NOT give up on this 14 year old country of ours. We have been through worse! When we were going through apartheid and all those horrible things that accompanied it, we did not say f**k it we are giving up, we fought with everything that we had, some lost their lives, some lost their families so this is nothing compared to that. We survived oppression so we can definitely survive stupidity (read JZ/Malema).

It's not over guys, please don't give up.

Brown Shuga
22 Sep 2008 12:34

<<<It is quite clear that even if the ANC wins the 2009 elections>>> Meant to say "It is quite clear WHEN the ANC wins the 2009 elections....."

realist
22 Sep 2008 23:33

Funny how everyone sees a repeat of history-what are you comparing this to?
When TM fired JZ, what reasons did he advance? Was it not the judge Hillary Squire’s verdict? That’s history that caught TM with his pants down. Pity the ANC did not advance the same reason he gave when he addressed the joint sitting of parliament.

Btw, he shouldn’t have been fired. He should have resigned voluntarily based on the verdict of Judge Chris Nicholson. Same way as he did when he fired JZ. That is history repeating itself.

realist
22 Sep 2008 23:34

@ Sdudla: you have given both sides of the coin, thank you.

Beyonce Knowles Bee
22 Sep 2008 23:59

Wen get on my shift will go thru then post my reply and concern

Firstdvd
23 Sep 2008 00:15

Fooled by politics, thats one thing i hate about it...I bet for this, you'll be surprised to see the one and only TM you defending saying VOTE for ANC, come January! You know why? HIDDEN AGENDA:::LOL!

mayandie
23 Sep 2008 00:37

He Sdudla UVELAPHI???????????????????????????????????/

mayandie
23 Sep 2008 00:38

Please give me your honest opinion on Julius Malema....Please.....

tha - bang
23 Sep 2008 01:50

I bet for this, you'll be surprised to see the one and only TM you defending saying VOTE for ANC, come January! You know why? HIDDEN AGENDA:::LOL! Firstdvd i wont be surprised, thats why i am not even surprised that Madiba has not spoken out and that only Tutu has come out against it. The cadre attitude le go pampetsa in the anc will continue.thats why we will never get the trueth in the near future about the arms deal.
People if you guys still want to support the ANC and how it operates. You are free to do so but i no longer supporting a party that has clearly shown time and time again that the interest of the party comes before that of the nation.
if you havent discovered that trueth for yourself, well good for you hopefully you wontrealise it too late.
Giving up on the ANC is not the same as giving up in the country.The ANC does not equal South Africa. The ANC speaks for itself and not for the country,whatever moral clout they once had,has all been diminished.This is not just because of the axing of Thibos, its a compound effect of how its handle the arms deal, oilgate, travelgate, corruption within its ranks (yengeni and all), the sucession debate, the dismantling of the NPA andthe firing of Thibos.
Time and time again the ANC has shown that their interest will be saved guarded first before the general public. If your interest mirror that of the ANC,you must be very happy at this moment.But my interest and that of the ANC have totally been skewed.
I'll lie on but im not buying anything that their are selling Im not voting ANC next year.this one vote they have lost and it ay not matter to them but come 2009 ,hopefully they will be more of me,who will vote to make a difference and not to continue the status quo,aluta continua

Simmone
23 Sep 2008 02:00

“There are few if any jobs in which ability alone is sufficient. Needed also are loyalty, sincerity, enthusiasm and team play” – William B. Given, Jnr.

thats why i am not even surprised that Madiba has not spoken out and that only Tutu has come out against it. The cadre attitude le go pampetsa in the anc will continue.thats why we will never get the trueth in the near future about the arms deal.

“Do not throw stones at other people’s glass houses, because they themselves maybe tempted to return the favour especially if your house is not made of bricks either”

Nonny
23 Sep 2008 02:01

If your interest mirror that of the ANC,you must be very happy at this moment.But my interest and that of the ANC have totally been skewed.
Amen TB, I couldn't agree with u more!!!!

Nonny
23 Sep 2008 02:07

“Do not throw stones at other people’s glass houses, because they themselves maybe tempted to return the favour especially if your house is not made of bricks either”
So grand grand u think Mbeki deserved to be shown the door hey Simmone???? *BTW, u've been missed gal, kumnandi ukuba nawe!*

carino
23 Sep 2008 02:14

yha, nhe! kuyazwakala...

Simmone
23 Sep 2008 02:16

@Nonny, Tbose should have been shown the door after his 1st term. I could give you a whole list of why’s, but I wont. Too much time has been spent on him and JZ and it gives me the image that they probably sit at home watch the news and call each other gloating who got the headline and how much fuss is being made about the other.

The glass house comment is about, Tutu, the opposition leaders who are adding more fuel to the fire than actually coming up with solutions.

TVSA went Live on me ever since last week.

Cande
23 Sep 2008 02:17

shame on you who think that revenge is good, maybe in the ANC but when its affecting the whole country then SHAME

carino
23 Sep 2008 02:20

shame, nyani...

Cande
23 Sep 2008 02:20

all i know is i will not vote for a leader who doesnt respect me as a woman...NO NEVER!!

lepogo
23 Sep 2008 02:23

I dont think the issues in ANC are about how the country is been run-its about personalities and petty politicking.Giving this whole issue a second glance I now realise that though there might be nothing wrong with Mbeki leaving,there everything wrong with how personalities dominated his exit and how they all tried to smokescreen the whole country.

Granted,Mbeki should have left a long time ago,but they let him stay,and having formed the coalition of the disgruntled they had more reasons,not intellectually,but in numbers to see his ass leaving Tuynhuis.

I need to admit that I now find him to be the only barrier between our country remaining a democratic constitutional Sate and becoming either a Socialist or Communist State..

tha - bang
23 Sep 2008 02:24

“Do not throw stones at other people’s glass houses, because they themselves maybe tempted to return the favour especially if your house is not made of bricks either” "know the trueth and the trueth will set you free" (paraphased from the bible)

Best-Achiever
23 Sep 2008 02:32

This war is far from over ..unfortunately we are forced to be caught in the middle.

Cande
23 Sep 2008 02:37

Mlambo-Ngcuka resigned...
Mbeki is fighting back...
When will this end?

Firstdvd
23 Sep 2008 02:37

True dat BA

carino
23 Sep 2008 02:39

Truth is, Mbeki is an ANC member and so is Zuma. But the ANC is a party, a complete body...

I know, I for one, have not made up my mind about who to vote for come next year, but voting for ANC is not voting for a certain man....

Things will calm down and I suppose we'll get used to this new arrangement....

It is just that now, decisions are being made based on some people's emotions...

But when we just sit and face facts....i'm echoing Desmond Tutu's words, the crisis we are going through is unnecessary... but it is happening so as to avoid an even bigger crisis.... Operation Elimination!! If things dont go according to certain people's prefences, we might just have a mass funeral of the whole cabinet.

Cande
23 Sep 2008 02:56

triple LOL @ Carino

andi01
23 Sep 2008 03:10

@realist Funny how history has a tendency of repeating itself. . I guess they were giving him a taste of his own medicine. - In giving him a taste of his medicine, where does that leave you as an ordinary person and a loyal voter. Is this revenge on TM so vital that we should once again put aside the needs of SA's and fullfill our own little vendettas. ANC again has managed to embarass me.

PY
23 Sep 2008 03:17

Revenge...What does that imply about our leaders?

History repeating itself....There’s nothing like that, Malema & friends, or who ever it is repeated a false history

A taste of his own medicine....... Does this means vengeance…please note that this will take us no where

If you live by the sword you will die by the sword....Does this mean that Thabo did a crime by firing a bad example leader…

The ANC does not equal South Africa. The ANC speaks for itself and not for the country......this means that ANC is selfish only think about us when it wants our votes, all I’m trying to say is that we should have been consulted as a nation about this matter not for them (ANC) to decide for us

The above bolded words means that there is no unity in our party....they are enemies who seek unnecessary revenge....
Whatever the judges might have said during Zuma's trials, that have made Thabo to fire him....he was doing good for the country...coz he’s not setting a good example…or cant be a role model especially to the youth, with his scandals...
To be honest just imagine how will the country would have taken this matter if Thabo was the one who was being accused of these filthy things….the arms/fraud…the rape….once Zuma starts to rule this country…the crime rate will be sky-scraping coz the criminals will think that they are not the only ones who does not comply with the law …..Not sure whether Zuma is guilty or not…if he did not rape that 32 year old lady (young enough to be his daughter) what was he doing with a young lady??? Bebejola…agg that’s desgusting…maan…
He just got married with a 33 year old lady now…Zuma ufunani ebantwaneni???

andi01
23 Sep 2008 03:25

They say TM started the firing business and now what goes around comes around, but mna I say I understand the reasons behind his firing some ministers and I hope someone can convince me of the reasons that he was fired.

He fired Nozizwe Madlala Rotloudge for misusing the tax payers money. She flew (2geda) with his son to China to attend an AIDS conference. Before she left she had said that the conditions in a certain hospital in the Eastern Cape is not acceptable. If it was as unacceptable as she claim it to be and if she was as concerned as she lead us to believe, couldn’t she have used the thousands she spent on an “unauthorized” trip with his son to China. I think his reasons were valid.

He fired Zuma bcoz it wasn’t good for the country to have a deputy president involved in rape and corruption scandal. I for one do not say TM is clean on the arms deal, but until he has been named and shamed like JZ, I still stand by him.

He stood by Manto Tshabalala (named the thief and drunk), bcoz the evidence against her was only speculation, no one came out in the open with valid proof that she certainly is guilty of what people say she is. He needed time to listen at both sides of the story, like an honest leader would.

TM is my president. And JZ is mabhebeza and others president and that I respect. I ave to remind you this. While your president was being trial-ed for corruption, singing mshini wam with idiots (vavi, ndzimande and malema), my president was negotiating peasce talks in Zim that we as SA will benefit a lot form (not directly).

While your president was insulting women (during the rape trial), my president was empowering women (appointed Mrs mlambo Ngcuka to deputy).

My president was a man enough, he fired Zuma in his face, while your president sends his puppy dawgs to do his dirty works.

My president was intelligent enough to look at the seed that cozes AIDS rather than the root. The statement “poverty cozes AIDS”, is a metaphor to mean that. Many poor communities suffer from AIDS coz they don’t know much. They don’t have access to many resources and knowledge like the not so poor. Also when you hungry you will do anything to get food (i.e sleeping around). His argument was that, if only we give people ARV’s they wont be as effective if people are starving. Lets alleviate poverty, lest empower people, and automatically diseases like AIDS will soon disappear.

Thabo Mbeki is my president.

Best-Achiever
23 Sep 2008 03:26

If we could read what Sdudla said, we could get so much understanding there, her response is so open.

Cande
23 Sep 2008 03:28

In giving him a taste of his medicine, where does that leave you as an ordinary person and a loyal voter. Is this revenge on TM so vital that we should once again put aside the needs of SA's and fullfill our own little vendettas. ANC again has managed to embarass me.

nyani Andi01, and NO i am not a JZ or TM's supporter but truth needs to be told...
The guy was left with 8 months before he left the office, he deserved a more dignified exit seeing that he has done a lot for his country...
TM like any other president made his own mistakes, he had his failing departments so service delivery is not an issue here like MAthew Phosa said..I wonder how does he go on national TV and lie like that to the nation? If he was not delivering then why did the ANC let him go for the 2nd term in 2004?? besides i am sure all the good that he has done for the country is NOT less than the bad and it cant be overlooked like that...I mean what makes them think JZ will not have his ministers/departments that are slow on delivery?? and it will not be because he is not perfoming, but because S.A is a very big country and we cant have everyone getting the same services at the same time..

i am sure the whole world is wondering if this is the kind of democracy our leaders fought for? the opposition parties can use this as an opportunity to gain supporters...TM didnt deserve this kind of exit....

Mathaz
23 Sep 2008 03:28

My beef is with the ANC's hegemony in South African politics, i still maintain that we cannot afford to have a polittival party with so may seats in parliament. That's why they do as they please without accounting to the general public. Yes, we did put them in power but i think we must re-think and re-look at our voting strategies with regards to the ANC perceived as being the "only" party that fought in the struggle. We need change.

carino
23 Sep 2008 03:30

Thabo Mbeki is My President.
My President
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carino
23 Sep 2008 03:33

South Africa has become just another african country in one week.

andi01
23 Sep 2008 03:39

@Cande-TM like any other president made his own mistakes. The wise man says, we learn until we die and also, if we dont make mistakes that means we not learning. Mbeki was silent for too long on the Zimbabwe issue, but when people complained and scream, he ahd their cries and he eventually dealt wit that situation, but still we say he doesnt listen to teh people. It is sad that we focussed too much on Mbeki's failures as a result we failed to see his achievemnets.

Go well zizi, dlamini, jama sjadu, sibalkhulu, sginya mkhonto. kukhonkothwa ehambayo. If you were as useless as they claim you are, they shouldnt have be threatened by you.

Cande
23 Sep 2008 03:39

ooh Andi01, where were you maara?

andi01
23 Sep 2008 03:42

@ Cande- i had to lay low until things cool down, things change very soon nowadasy, today I am here and 2moro, i am eliminated.

Cande
23 Sep 2008 03:43

when they ANC wanted to get rid of the scorpions they consulted the nation, why couldn't they do when they wanted to "eliminate" T-bose??

It is sad that we focussed too much on Mbeki's failures as a result we failed to see his achievemnets.
AMEN

lemme go back to work, there is no use crying over spilled milk

Best-Achiever
23 Sep 2008 03:43

Andi01 ... Zuma was relieved of his duties after his financial advisor was found guilt of corruption NOT because of the rape charge.

andi01
23 Sep 2008 03:48

Your president once said " in his time, if a gay person stood imfront of him, he would kick his gay ass back to gay land"

My president defiied the beliefs of some churches and cultures, and legalised homosexual marriages, bcoz he knows everyone has a right o be himself and live hapily without being judged or discriminated against.

Simmone
23 Sep 2008 03:50

Andiswa – Don’t you think it’s hypocritical of Mbeki to fire people for corruption and scandals, whilst he failed to resolve the issue of the travel gate, oil gate and the Land Bank missing billions; amongst a few government scandals?

Best-Achiever
23 Sep 2008 03:51

Both Mbeki and Zuma were fired before they could defend themselves and based on the findings (on cases) that were not initial focused on them ...so ya, kubi

andi01
23 Sep 2008 03:51

@BA-,same diffrence lol

Cande
23 Sep 2008 03:51

the WC premier was asked to resign because of poor service delivery, yet he still got a position as Kgalema Motlhanthe's advisor?? strange...

Best-Achiever
23 Sep 2008 03:57

@BA-,same diffrence lol

Andi01 ...LOL

Nonny
23 Sep 2008 04:02

Interesting read......

Sobza
23 Sep 2008 04:05

Before all of this hulabaloo the ANC had my vote. Mbeki is no saint and my question is were people wrong in nominating Mbeki at Polokwane?

After Polokwane everyone who was loyal to him was alienated including the premiers, and the so called JZ camp wanted to oust anyone who supported Mbeki. People were called names. Was the ANC united? I don't think so

How do you expect the same people you tried to alienate and disrespected to vote for you?

Why was Rasool fired, "poor service delivery". I don't think so. Revenge, revenge, revenge and I must say it is sweet. Wait and see, they will lose that little grip they have in the Western Cape.

ANC had my vote before Mbeki's sacking, not anymore.

andi01
23 Sep 2008 04:06

@ Simmone-Don’t you think it’s hypocritical of Mbeki to fire people for corruption and scandals, whilst he failed to resolve the issue of the travel gate, oil gate and the Land Bank missing billions; amongst a few government scandals? Perhaps had the allegations, been as finger-pointing as the JZ s are, maybe just maybe we could crucify him for that as well.

I am not against Mbeki’s crucification, but cant we use light bulbs to burn him instead of real makoya (amalahle) .

Sobza
23 Sep 2008 04:09

Before all of this hulabaloo the ANC had my vote. Mbeki is no saint and my question is were people wrong in nominating Mbeki at Polokwane?

After Polokwane everyone who was loyal to him was alienated including the premiers, and the so called JZ camp wanted to oust anyone who supported Mbeki. People were called names. Was the ANC united? I don't think so

How do you expect the same people you tried to alienate and disrespected to vote for you?

Why was Rasool fired, "poor service delivery". I don't think so. Revenge, revenge, revenge and I must say it is sweet. Wait and see, they will lose that little grip they have in the Western Cape.

ANC had my vote before Mbeki's sacking, not anymore.

Sobza
23 Sep 2008 04:09

Before all of this hulabaloo the ANC had my vote. Mbeki is no saint and my question is were people wrong in nominating Mbeki at Polokwane?

After Polokwane everyone who was loyal to him was alienated including the premiers, and the so called JZ camp wanted to oust anyone who supported Mbeki. People were called names. Was the ANC united? I don't think so

How do you expect the same people you tried to alienate and disrespected to vote for you?

Why was Rasool fired, "poor service delivery". I don't think so. Revenge, revenge, revenge and I must say it is sweet. Wait and see, they will lose that little grip they have in the Western Cape.

ANC had my vote before Mbeki's sacking, not anymore.

tha - bang
23 Sep 2008 04:10

when they ANC wanted to get rid of the scorpions they consulted the nation, why couldn't they do when they wanted to "eliminate" T-bose if u call rubber stamping consulting then u may say thats what they did.
How is the JZ government going to stand up and stamp out coruption? What authority would it have to tell the guys at Home affairs to stop selling id's? to tell the traffic officers from taking bribes?
Thibosmay not have been perfect but what are we doing to ourselves by giving power to a couple of stooges who backed up by other stooges power. Lepogo u talk about Stalin and we have blade nzimande and vavi on the cusp of power,that should worry u.
either how what will be will be, look at what bush did to the US.i wonder what will jiggaman do to our image in 10 years.long live the banana republic

Segololo
23 Sep 2008 04:13

Hy Andi! Glad to seee you were not eliminated!! BUT your comments eliminated MoPres

JudyV
23 Sep 2008 04:55

@ andi01, on your reference to the AIDS issue. please, dont even start defending your president. clearly you ahve seen people dying of AIDS whilst your president was "googling" for causes of AIDS and came along Duzberg theory.
a doctor was fired because he supplied ARVs to a patient ,

your president said he has never seen anyone dying of AIDS, shortly after mandela disclosed his son had AIDS and your president knew him and he knew that he had AIDS. he knew Parks Mankahlana and he knew he had AIDS.

he is the boss behind Manto beetroot and garlic theory. what evidence is needed beyond people dying. i work in a poor community, NGO sponsored people are started on ARVs and they are doing well.

so please, refrain from commenting on points you know nothing about.

i wont comment on your other points which are just as ill informed.

realist
23 Sep 2008 05:00

@ Andile: Just to rest my case on this issue. On what basis did TM fire JZ? Did he fire him based on facts or did he fire him base on inferences. Another fact, no where in the Judge Hillary Squires did he say JZ had a generally corrupt relationship with Shaik.

It was a media creation and it stuck in the minds of people that JZ had a corrupt relationship with Shaik. For the record I am no fan of the ANC I am trying to present the facts as I understand them. I might be wrong in what I am saying and I welcome any contradiction that I might have caused.

As for the deputy minister of health, she was fired for the wrong reasons. I rather not disclose those reasons since we might differ in our interpretations of the reasons advanced.

As for the deputy minister of health, she was fired for the wrong reasons. I rather not disclose those reasons since we might differ in our interpretations of the reasons advanced.

As for the comment on the taste of his own medicine, I was stressing the fact the he fired JZ on a pretence. If it rubs you on the wrong way, my apologies.

realist
23 Sep 2008 05:14

@ Andile: Just to rest my case on this issue. On what basis did TM fire JZ? Did he fire him based on facts or did he fire him base on inferences. Another fact, no where in the Judge Hillary Squires did he say JZ had a generally corrupt relationship with Shaik. It was a media creation and it stuck in the minds of people that JZ had a corrupt relationship with Shaik. For the record I am no fan of the ANC I am trying to present the facts as I understand them. I might be wrong in what I am saying and I welcome any contradiction that I might have caused.

As for the deputy minister of health, she was fired for the wrong reasons. I rather not disclose those reasons since we might differ in our interpretations of the reasons advanced.

As for the comment on the taste of his own medicine, I was stressing the fact the he fired JZ on a pretence. If it rubs you on the wrong way, my apologies.

FK
23 Sep 2008 06:28

Trevor Manuel & 10 Cabinet ministers quit
23/09/2008 13:01 - (SA)

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/TheEndofMbeki/0,,2-7-2457_2398308,00.html

Johannesburg - Finance Minister Trevor Manuel is among 11 Cabinet ministers and three deputy ministers who have resigned.
Their letters of resignation had been received by President Thabo Mbeki "which, regretfully, he has had to accept", the presidency said in a statement on Tuesday.
They included Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, who earlier in the day announced her resignation from the position, to which she was appointed after ANC president Jacob Zuma was released from his responsibilities as deputy president in 2005. One of the reasons she gave was to allow a new president the opportunity to choose their own deputy.
The other resignations were of the Ministers of: Defence, Mosiuoa Lekota; Minister in the Presidency Essop Pahad; Intelligence, Ronnie Kasrils; Correctional Services Ngconde Balfour; Public Enterprises, Alec Erwin; Science and Technology, Mosibudi Mangena; Public Works, Thoko Didiza; Provincial and Local Government, Sydney Mufamadi; and Public Service and Administration Geraldine Fraser-Moleketi.
The deputy ministers who resigned are: Foreign Affairs, Aziz Pahad; Finance, Jabu Moleketi and Correctional Services, Loretta Jacobus.
"The resignations will be effective from the day that the president's resignation takes effect[ Thursday]," the presidency said.
"All the ministers have expressed their availability to assist the incoming administration in the hand-over process and any other assistance that might be sought from them.
"President Mbeki thanked the deputy president, the ministers and the deputy ministers for their dedicated service to the nation and wished them well in their future endeavours," it said.

Cande
23 Sep 2008 06:30

Trevor Manuel quits

Toodecent
23 Sep 2008 06:37

With all these ministers gone just watch what the Rand can do in just 1 day......! I wonder if the Zuma Camp and supporters are now happy with eleminating everything.

carino
23 Sep 2008 06:37

OMG

carino
23 Sep 2008 06:37

OMG

Best-Achiever
23 Sep 2008 06:41

http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/TheEndofMbeki/0,,2-7-2457_2398308,00.html

carino
23 Sep 2008 06:45

OMG

carino
23 Sep 2008 06:45

OMG

zowee
23 Sep 2008 06:47

WTF?

carino
23 Sep 2008 06:49

y'all niggazz know im sorry, right??

carino
23 Sep 2008 06:49

y'all niggazz know im sorry, right??

Best-Achiever
23 Sep 2008 06:52

With all these ministers gone just watch what the Rand can do in just 1 day......! I wonder if the Zuma Camp and supporters are now happy with eleminating everything.

@TDC ...The rand has already weakened
check news 24 .....

Cande
23 Sep 2008 08:28

Shuuu

blakrose
23 Sep 2008 08:36

haai ke ! uTrevor is clearly not a man of his word...

Luksta
23 Sep 2008 09:36

@blakrose - Who is? We have a bunch of wimps(&wimpresses) as leaders. I'm heading for Lesotho!

carino
23 Sep 2008 09:42

There's no crisis - ANC
23/09/2008 16:12 - (SA)

Johannesburg - The African National Congress said on Tuesday the string of Cabinet resignations was not a crisis.

"There is no crisis. Things will be going as normal," secretary-general Gwede Mantashe told reporters in Johannesburg.

Luksta
23 Sep 2008 09:45

Yeah right!

Nonny
23 Sep 2008 09:49

With all these ministers gone just watch what the Rand can do in just 1 day......! I wonder if the Zuma Camp and supporters are now happy with eleminating everything.
that's exactly what i wanna know BA, are they still celebrating and singing "Umshini Wami"????

Toxic
23 Sep 2008 09:58

Tshabalala UhMsimang yena? Y isn't she resigning?? LOL!!!

Sdudla
23 Sep 2008 10:30

@Toxic: I was also hoping u Manto and the Nqakulas would voluntarily leave the government but ke.. they probably believe that Mzansi still needs thier "capabilities"

The following Cabinet members have permanently resigned: Phumzile, Lekota, Kasrils, Pahad, Erwin and Mufamadi. Vele they know the reality yokuthi people would have made their lives a difficult, despite statements to the contrary.

The rest of the Cabinet members resigned as a technicality because Thabo (who appointed them) also resigned. They will continue in their new positions if appointed by Kgalema (as part of the new Cabinet). ANC has confirmed that they will remain. Trevor is staying and has even confirmed (in a press conference in DC) that he is staying. It's a painful situation when comrades are divided against one another, as it is now, but let the work continue, Phambili Maqabane.

mabhebheza
23 Sep 2008 11:21

Yes Andi01 & laba who we scared 2voice it out im a number 1 proudly Zuma fan & becoz we all have freedom of speech i wont shy in the background & pretend or maybe become a isiwengu thats shouts ViVA 2the winning team ...

As mentioned b4 i neva liked Mbeki *personaly* so noma eyenza okuhle 2me kuyazifanele nje ...Im not going 2get all political & try & defend Zuma & shame Mbeki..yazi y i stil repeat in my mother tongue I polotiki lishishini elimdaka ( politics is a dirty biznisss) there is way more that what the public is shown or knows ...we really on hear say on news on journalist digging stories but the is alwys a twist & their scandals ..so crackin my head & feeling sorry or gettin emotional is not going 2benefit me wat will benifit me is 2vote & hope like hell that the political party i have voted 4 tries & keeps sum coz im defintly sure no leader has kept all the promises that they promised 2us ! Even yena Mandela neva kept sum of his promises...

The ministers that r resigning ,,,Let him Go now we all knw where their loyalty lies the public thought they were ANC members but it shows they r Mbeki members ..bencedile basheshe bahamba becoz izinyoka nyoka ..Anyway Change is good young politicians wil get izikhundla kudala !

Brown Shuga
23 Sep 2008 11:30

Yeah man, it's not the end of the world.....we'll move on...

Floh
23 Sep 2008 13:26

Reply from: mabhebheza 9/21/2008 1:45:43 PM

ROTFLMFBAO..@Mathata...im celebrating with u....ur comment hit the nail..Mbeki was manipulating abantu basemnzantsi engazi ukuthi lemini iyeza nakuye...haha!! Zuma baba umsholozi ukusukela izolo i became ur biggest fan *wink*
I dedicate this song 2Mbeki *dedela abanye X4(wola mabhebs !mabhebs !Mabhebs!)

With all these ministers gone just watch what the Rand can do in just 1 day......! I wonder if the Zuma Camp and supporters are now happy with eleminating everything.

@TDC ...The rand has already weakened
check news 24 .....

People the markets are very dynamic, the rand has peaked up again, these things happens elke dag in the world..( ubala lolo)...........Just wait and see, don't panic.

Mrs Betroot is happy to stay, she knows ukuba indlala izakumbulala.

Kgalema Monthlante was sworn in Parliament few weeks ago, and on Thursday he will be our new President, they've mastered that it very well like Thabo did with all the Zuma saga.

Conspiracy people!!!!!!!!!!!

Hey today I even heard of , u Matsepe Casaburi, mina besengimkhohlwe TU!

Cande
23 Sep 2008 13:37

why didnt Manto resign??

Firstdvd
23 Sep 2008 14:21

Together we stand guys...Mabhebeza ;-)

Beyonce Knowles Bee
23 Sep 2008 19:30

This is just plain sad, i don't know maybe like Sdudla said we are all afraid of what our Democracy is going to look like with someone different or we are just saddend by the touching speech or the Abrupt way Anc did to remove Pres Thabo Mbeki. hhayi I don't know but all i know is that my heart is bleeding of the way this has been handled!!! But am sure will survive and move on once this all has cooled down abit but for now the Country is still in shock.

I still think the ANC should have consulted with us the nation pple who voted and put Mbeki on chair even though they are the organisation, and they have the right to ellect and put who ever they want and remove when ever they feel the need to do so, but still we voted for the face that was on the ballot paper that gave us confidence that he will, and not that he hasn't but lead us better economy!!!!

I still say Mbeki was good for this country and will always respect and Love Him. With Dolly Parton's Voice when she sing I will Always love you!!!!! lol

Beyonce Knowles Bee
23 Sep 2008 19:51

All i am trying to say now is that we all have to go back to God, Lord Almighty the one who created us, somewhere in the Bible not very sure of the scripture though but it was quoted that in the final days emhlabeni, Imibuso izojikelana, Inhlanga zizovukelana, some how in all this i see that. so bazalwane bami i would strongly urgue everyone to make sure they strengthen their relationship with God... Cause he is the only ticket to freedom!!!

Amen

Firstdvd
23 Sep 2008 23:46

It's a FREE COUNTRY...Its happening in soccer. Coaches come and go with their players. So, let it be, let them leave the cabinet bazonyiwa i-bench!

mpule
24 Sep 2008 00:34

Those who are pushing the Chief to lead a new party are cowards who have built their empires around one man and cannot imagine their future without this being in power
Sdudla, I'm one of the proponents of a new party, formed from a split ANC, but make no mistake, I don't like Thabo Mbeki. Infact I preferred Cyril Ramaphosa by far, but that's water under the bridge. I just think SAns shouldn't think they live in a true democracy until ordinary citizens (especially the majority who are Black Africans) have fair options in exercising their voting right. Having a party with support from +/- 60% of the country's population is in my books, far from true democracy. The struggle against apartheid has been won, we need to move on to current struggles.

JudyV
24 Sep 2008 01:23

Politics unlike any other subject is very complicated, you therefore need to be well informed before you comment.

Thabo Mbeki fired Zuma on the basis of Judge Squires finding his financial advisor corrupt. The media then furher implicated that Zuma and Shaik had a corrupt relationship. The judge never said that.

Judge Nicholson said the state interfered with the NPA. TM is recalled .

I am a Zuma fan and I am proud and yes we are still singing umshini wami and watch the rand settling.
If TM and his group fprmed their party which will have one leader for eleventeen years , go ahead. Look at the UDM, Bantu Holomisa has been the president forever.

Halala Nxamalala!! Phambili

Firstdvd
24 Sep 2008 02:35

VIVA JudyV VIVA...Not that i'm an ANC supporter/fan BUT I JUST LIKE THE WAY YOUR EXPRESSING YOU VIEWS! Sing JudyV sing :-)> let me know when you need a back up vocalist...Lol!

Cande
24 Sep 2008 03:01

i cant access the website Swazi, what is it about?

Sdudla
24 Sep 2008 03:48

Sdudla, I'm one of the proponents of a new party, formed from a split ANC, but make no mistake, I don't like Thabo Mbeki. Infact I preferred Cyril Ramaphosa by far, but that's water under the bridge.

Mpule, I don't mind the creation of a new party because that is after all what democracy is about and as I said before, it is rare that former liberation movements who end up governing remain intact, they usually breakup due to the realities of being in power and having to adapt/change policies inorder to be able to effectively run a country. Some reconverge and some don't.. Fine.

My problem is with people (within the Movement) who now want to create a party as an alternative to the current ANC because they do not want to be led by bunch of an unruly, uneducated mob etc.. What makes it worse is that the proponents of this new party are some Cabinet members and some Premiers (who are openly pro-Mbeki) who are bitter because they is now a new team to run the show. This just smacks of sour grapes to me and even worse, cutting of your nose to spite your face because all they are doing is weakening the ANC. But then again, these are the same people who were pushing the Thabo to contest against Zuma in Polokwane.

All I want to know from the entire ANC leadership is whose interests are we serving? By idolising individuals (both Mbeki and Zuma, I might add) are we not sacrificing the party and country's interests in favour of certain individual's narrow self-interests? I think the ANC should realise that the Movement is no longer in exile, where there were no rules to abide by and they played a ruthless game of one-upmanship. They are the ruling party (some of us want them to continue being the ruling party) and they should therefore inspire our confidence and lead responsibly. I am neither a Mbeki nor a Zuma supporter (I don't believe in classifications within the ANC), I am just a supporter for change and possibly the development of new ideas within the Party.

Firstdvd
24 Sep 2008 04:33

GUYS I LOVE THIS SITE! But its capable of KICKING ME OUT most of the time.

goose
24 Sep 2008 09:54

Guys

I am also neither Zuma or Mbeki fan but this whole drama to me as an ordinary citizen is confusing and make us feel vulnerable.

I don't see stability at all in this country, if we have leaders who are so emotional. Mr Mbeki only had few months to go, what did ANC have to loose if they had waited for Mbeki 's term to end.

I am a citizen in this country and the way things are going, I feel like going to America and come back when things have cooled down.

Gruges, revenges, that's all is happening right now. All I want now is a strong black opposition party to vote for. I no longer have confidence in the ANC.

No ANC vote for me ever! I'd rather not vote than voting for leaders who behave kids. I voted in for the president and therefore I have a right to vote him out again. We were not consulted for his recalling.

Good bye Professor Mbeki, I am proud to be your product, I am a successful middle class black South African. Khawuphumle Zizi! You did not deserve to be chased out like that.

ANC NO VOTE NEXT YEAR!

Sexyzimasa
24 Sep 2008 11:11

I'm starting to panic with this civil war stuff on our papers. Why is it that all our journalists care about is sensationalism with that Debra Patta leading the brigade. All they want to do is to sell papers and they don't care how it impacts us and our future as a democratic country.

Sexyzimasa
24 Sep 2008 11:32

Moeletsi Mbeki on Radio 702 "This is a warning to the ANC national executive committee that if they... continue to follow the path of not following the constitution, then they are going to lead this country to civil war"

Zhico
24 Sep 2008 12:35

Hi to u all...mina ndingu Mhlongo nje ngibuya ekufeni...just wanted to say that mna ngizthandela ubaba ongasa sheviyo tu....u Mbeki bethuna..
I'm so heart broken...

Its national braai / heritage day and poor me is at work till late...

Firstdvd
25 Sep 2008 00:55

There is NO CRISIS in South Africa *my Mr T. Mbekis voice* lol! Washaaaa its about us now not i-Zim!

Firstdvd
25 Sep 2008 00:57

There is NO CRISIS in South Africa *my Mr T. Mbekis voice* lol! Washaaaa its about us now not i-Zim!

PY
25 Sep 2008 02:31

Zuma’s supporters/fans just be realistic….Thabo did a brilliant work (there is no shame in admitting that)…..as Thabo’s supporter…I will also admit it if Zuma will also do the same as Thabo….people will appreciate his (THABO) efforts once his gone….many of us confirm that….Lets wait and see how “Zuma” will operate once he’s in charge… all in all….I’m an ANC voter…but I doubt that I will vote in these coming elections…I would have.. If they didn’t recall Thabo for an irrational reason….JUST BECAUSE OF THE LOUSY REVENGE

BOUTIQUE
25 Sep 2008 02:42

i am not into politics whatso ever ... but this made me open my ears and eyes.... i fear that we will end up like zimbabwe.... i fear that if zuma becomez the president there will no longa be gender equality.... rape willbe legalised and many more.... i am happy to be a tswana but i must say that i fear being a tswana now coz zulu's are taking over and we are seen as nobodyz...

carino
25 Sep 2008 02:51

Then the DA presents Joe Seremane to run against Kgalema Motlanthe....
Can someone who understands these politics better, please explain.....
What does this mean?????

mabhebheza
25 Sep 2008 03:06

Rape will be legalised.....* Oh cum on now Boutique suba muncu ...wethu!
Firsdvd funny i was also thinkin about what Thabo said ngelaxesha *There is no crisis in Zim* ....yah neh Ta tbose iviri liyajikeleza....

Cande
25 Sep 2008 03:11

ooh Carino leave DA and what they say, they like publicity stunts wethu

Cnglemother
25 Sep 2008 03:17

Guys that watch the news and follow polictics how's Ms Patta after Mbeki resignation? She hates the Zuma camp with a passion. I honestly have not seen any of this on TV and only get the updates on this site. So who's replacing who in the cabinet?

Sobza
12 Jan 2009 17:11

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php? Claims that Mbeki and his cabinet had meddled in the case "were not based on any evidence or allegation... They were instead part of the judge's own conspiracy theory and not one advanced by Mr Zuma", said Judge Louis Harms, the Supreme Court's deputy president.

Kutsho ukuthi the ANC go what they wanted, to oust Thabo Mbeki. Indlela le ababevuye ngayo.

Floh
12 Jan 2009 17:14

hhawu me thinks this is the recap of what happened today in Zuma's case kanti ngihambe wrongo................................Any news mabloggers??????

Floh
12 Jan 2009 17:17

Soory Sobza, I reread your article and I'm answered. Never mind me

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