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shoot the messenger: whose blacker!?

Written by tha - bang from the blog blah blah on 19 May 2008
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blackness and issues around blackness have always been tricky subject,espicially for me. Where it seems blackness is something that can be quantified and measured.Theres a barometer of blackness that one can fall into or out off. Blackness is seen to be poor, violent, negative, oppressed, different and so forth. Whilst white is ordinary and normal, look at the television ads or programmes for an example of this.
One can never just be as a person, you have to be  a black person,not a person.You cant be a woman, but a black woman. If you are a character in a tyler perry film you are black character in a black film, not just a character.
Why is that? if we look at our history as South Africans. We were told because we are black we are therefore different and inferior. We were told what a black person does, act and lives. But with the dawn of the new mzansi it seems we still find ourselves in the same cages of apartheid.
case in point, how the tv channels are separated on language, with SABC 1 being more nguni based, 2 more sotho-tswana-afrikaans based and 3 more english base. But in actual fact these constructs dont really apply cause sabc 1 is more a young persons channel than 2 , and 2 is more family friendly than three. But those are not the core bases used to distinguish the channels but the old SABC channel differentiantions of tv1 and tv 3 which were used to cater based on language and race. Which later made SABC 3 into a high class channel that equated white for quite sometime. So back in the hey days when SABC 1 was not doing that well it was equated with blackness, that black people dont care about good production value, while 3 had good production value since it was the primiere white channel with zero to no so called "black programming". although alot has changed since then but how far have we truelly moved from being constructed as stereotype to just being



20 Comments

tha - bang
20 May 2008 04:21

carino
20 May 2008 04:31

blah-blah...

Cande
20 May 2008 04:37

very sensitive issue...

Venusseed
20 May 2008 04:40

Ya neh? let's get touchy geez I like the way you think. I have the same issue with the overseas entertainment awards: eg. Halle Berry/ whoever is the first African-American(in other words, black) woman to get this award. I always ask myself why are we still referring to race in appointments or nominations? I think it would make sense if we made a big deal about the first dog, monkey or cat to be appointed. At the end of the day we are all human.

Based on race categories in TV channels...mmmhhh.... maybe they should change the names. eg SABC 3 - BOJWA Network, SABC2 - FAMILY Network and SABC1- ANYTHING-DARKIES-WANT Network.

sponono
20 May 2008 04:47

carino..haaayi man.you must neva..this is sociology 101

tru observations wena lets get touchy

Weiss
20 May 2008 05:03

Okay! i think I get the picture. I personally dont care which chanell i tune in to, or who is blacker than whom. TV is TV to me and if I want to tune into Generations I just tune in - not just because it is 20h00 and I'm black, so 20h00 is time for black people to watch the Gen.

As for movies like the Tyler Perry movie - to me I see it the same way as you would like to view a Bollywood film or the type of movie that stars Jet Li. It's a type of movie focussing issues in a certain type of community - in this case an African community.

I would aslo like to add that dont feel inferior and start "nyatsing" yourself because on your skin color. But at the same time I understand completely - there is this deep division that we have no control over. Hopefully it will change.

tha - bang
20 May 2008 05:18

I dont think its about looking down on blackness but rather how blackness is constructd.how it seems we still carryin on apartheid ideologies and its just normal

LM
20 May 2008 05:28

Which later made SABC 3 into a high class channel that equated white for quite sometime. So back in the hey days when SABC 1 was not doing that well it was equated with blackness, that black people dont care about good production value, while 3 had good production value since it was the primiere white channel with zero to no so called "black programming":

What I would like to know from SABC/3 is why the weather forecast/s is/are presented by Climatologists on SABC3 and by weather girls/guys on other channels??why is that??

carino
20 May 2008 05:38

I dont mean to hijack your article, Thabang... I just saw this on Women24 and I thought I should share. Not sure how relevant it is.... It's just that uSponono said I should say something. 

A generational thing...
Generations scriptwriters should get a golden star for effort. In recent times I've noticed how different characters in the soapie have expanded their vocab to speak a number of African languages, including Afrikaans.

For example, the lady-in-charge Karabo Moroka (Connie Ferguson) often greets and wars with S'busiso Dlomo (Menzi Ngubane) in smatterings of isiZulu. And not so long ago we were entertained by Grace's mother (Helene Lombard) when she delivered a plausible performance as a coloured woman from Cape Town who speaks Xhosa, Afrikaans and English. And even baddy Kenneth Mashaba (Seputla Sebogodi) has on a number of occasions dueled in Shaka's language and spoken lovingly in Verwoerd's .

There's just one snag – it seems the language stream is flowing one way.

If my memory serves me correctly, I've never heard characters whose main language is isiZulu, attempt to be multilingual. Why doesn't Gamla (Menzi Ngubane) attempt to say something civil or horrible to the other characters in their mother tongue, I've often wondered?

One of course could argue that it wouldn't be believable if say, a character like Khetiwe (Winnie Ntshaba) who started off as a farm girl from KZN were to suddenly wax lyric in sePedi. But, it wouldn't be a bad idea if Paul Mashaba (Siyabonga Twala), who has a Pedi brother in the make believe world, could actually utter a word in Pedi, instead of always communicating in isiZulu.

It does send a terrible message when all the Zulu speaking characters don't even attempt to converse in any of the other 10 official languages. It says that the Nguni tribe's lingo is more superior and that other languages enjoy an inferior status.

But to lay all of this on Generations' doorstep would be disingenuous. The problem is deeper – the soapie is merely imitating reality. 




moya
20 May 2008 05:57

Haike zimbi ndaba madoda  eish it makes you think deep doesnt it ,thanks  carino for this post its an eye opener

carino
20 May 2008 06:06






Weiss
20 May 2008 06:10

One of course could argue that it wouldn't be believable if say, a character like Khetiwe (Winnie Ntshaba) who started off as a farm girl from KZN were to suddenly wax lyric in sePedi. Ha! Ha! Ha!.... Sho, carino... that would be a day. Imagine uKhetiwe rocking Sepedi. But I get your point, gal

tha-bang fine I get you, sweetie.

carino
20 May 2008 06:10

Here's another bit. This was a blog by Sbu Mpongose, by the way....


Repeat that in Zulu please
Have you ever noticed how, say, a Venda or Sotho is more likely to be multilingual? One might blame it on the Mfecane/Diaspora or that other tribes are much smaller, therefore the Ngunis (because of their sheer numbers) by default enjoy more space in the media and government platform.

My friend made an observation about her workplace; although there are equal number of Xhosa and Sotho speakers, the conversation (if not in English) is almost always conducted in isiZulu.

She had also observed how the Sothos at the office are more interested in other languages, while she felt this was not reciprocated. I've also noticed that if two Tswanas get into a taxi not knowing they were from the same clan, they were more likely to chat in isiZulu, even though they were both struggling to express themselves.

I'm also not without fault because, although I studied in Tshwane for four years, I rarely ever practice seTswana. I used to hide behind the fact that I was scared that people would laugh at me if I ever tried to string along a sentence in Sotho. My fear perhaps can be likened to the French who hardly speak any English lest they be ridiculed.

Whatever my reason, I don't think it's good enough. I'm no better than a white African that has his roots in this continent, yet he can't say dumela or Ndaa.

Nonny
20 May 2008 06:21

WOW very interesting findings Carino. Tell me this is the same Sbu Mpungose who is the editor of the very cheap yet very informative and interesting magazine called Move????? That lady is going places yazi!!!!

faraimagic
20 May 2008 06:24

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Best-Achiever
20 May 2008 06:34

Yebo but she is now a freelancer(sp), she is breast-feeding. yeyi that gal knows things and reads a lot ...

carino
20 May 2008 06:45

this is the same Sbu Mpungose who is the editor of the very cheap yet very informative and interesting magazine called Move?????

Nonny...this is the way her bio has been updated to, these day... so i don know about the "going places" bit... LOL

Sbu Mpungose Sbu Mpungose is the former editor of Move! magazine. After scooping various awards for this publication she has decided to be a stay-at-home mother and freelance journalist. She is currently unemployed and is mastering the skills of breast-feeding and changing nappies.

Weiss
20 May 2008 06:54

so i don know about the "going places" bit... LOL I couldnt help byLMAO at this one, carino I sure understand why you are not sure if she's going places...

Nonny
20 May 2008 07:39

"Sbu Mpungose Sbu Mpungose is the former editor of Move! magazine. After scooping various awards for this publication she has decided to be a stay-at-home mother and freelance journalist. She is currently unemployed and is mastering the skills of breast-feeding and changing nappies."

@ Carino, please tell me u are joking? Just when when things were looking up for her, she decides to take da back seat? Yini vele enze ngathi kuqala ngaye ukuzala……LOL. Kodwa ke they say being a mom is much more rewarding than any job in the world. So akahlale ancelise while things are happening around her.

Fluffy Head
20 May 2008 08:46

Venuu:SABC 3 - BOJWA Network, LMAO__this is very funny maan...actually that is the whole point. SABC3 is supposed to cater for the higher market audience, how they define that_mmmh (i won't go there).

More seriouslly though...There is an interesting point raised on the original article. Who's blacker and still segregating things by 'race'. 

My take on this:
A very wise person (Steve Biko) although long gone, said something about the whole blackness issue. (On his biography) Please read it if you can...I won't review the book here.
But after reading that book and hearing a lot of people talk and just observing things myself. I came to the conclusion that your level of blackness and how you define being black depends solely on you... You give yourself an identity not other people.
If you belive that being black means: poor, criminal, never amount to anything, uneducated, selfish yara yara yara yara_you give urself that identity...And I promise you that's how other people are going to see you. 

My mother always tells me (well I always complain to her about how all teh whites at work are soo white sometimes and treat me bad, don't give me the good work will always let me do what they don't want to do themselves.) well she said...
Mntanam, you show people how to treat by the way you treat yourself. How you carry yourself_people will follow suite and treat you that way. If you do not respect yourself and don't think any highly of yourself, how do you expect anyone else to respect you. (Eish I'm drifting off topic, let me come back)

But if you define black this way: ubuntu (which will quickly fall off my list  looking at what's happening in JHB now), community and family, hard working, smart, built the country (that everyone else including blacks thinks the whites built...who do you think put up all the buildings, the roads here??? The white man might have the wit, but I have the man power therefore_he needs me as much as I need him), integrity and respect one's feelings....and definately getting richer by the minute... Now you see, if you see all the positive in you, then everyone else will follow suite and see all the positive.

Ur identity as a person depends on you... You should read the Madiba inaugaration speech__its my motivation everyday.

And for me being black means a lot of things_and I do not mind when people classify me as black. I am proud of it. Cause I know deep down in my heart I am defying a lot of beliefs people might have about black people...And show them  through the way I carry myself that being black is good...Its not negative.


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