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Limpopo 2007

Written by Mathaz from the blog Presidential race on 28 Nov 2007
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Recent developments of the presidential race indicates that the Deputy President of the ANC, Mr Jacob Zuma is a firm favourite to take over the leadership of the party.  I think there is something wrong with this race as almost eveyone who is interested in the top position does not want to decline nor confirm because they have this thing that the ANC should nominate you first then you must indicate if you are interested or not.

It's also a pity that we are not even afforded the opportunity to ask the "candidates" what they believe in, what issues are close to their hearts and what they would do differently.

President Mbeki has indicated that he is interested if he gets nominated.  If he gets his way, two centres of power will be in effect.  He will be the president of the party and another  person will be appointed as the President of the country.  Media reports (if they are to be belived) apparently say that he wants to step down but not leave the organisation to the hands of Zuma.  Apparently he says that Zuma's presidency will just be a mockery and in contrast to what they fought for.  

Jacob Zuma has a reputation, a bad one that is.  His rape trial did not do justice to his aspirancy and the cloud of his corruption trial still hangs.  He is a charismatic leader but most believe that if he wins he will spend too much time going through his "pay back" list. The SACP and COSATU do not like Mbeki's economic policies and they see Zuma as someone who will push their socialist agenda to the fore.

Tokyo Sexwale is interested but he does not have enoough support on the grass roots level.

Cyril Ramaphosa says he will not run if Mbeki runs but i think he wants, he is just keeping a low profile.

Nkosazana Dlamini Zuma indicated to political writer of the City Press that she would not mind.  She is my personal favourite.

My take is that Mbeki and Zuma should both not be voted for the unification and harmony of the party.  The party is hugely divided because of them and if people really care about the soul of the ANC neither should win.

If you had a choice, who would you vote for?

378 Comments

Toxic
28 Nov 2007 10:01

i find the thought that JZ could become the next president utterly depressing!!!!!!!!!!! Unfortunately, I can't think of anyone to succeed Mbeki other than Mbeki himself *sigh*

Sdakamiswa
28 Nov 2007 10:46

I caught Tokyo on 3rd degree about two weeks ago, being grilled by Ms Patta with Justice Malala, Xolela Mangcu and the iron lady from the M&G Haffajee rating his performance... the ff wk they were to have Mbeki and lastly JZ... these candidates were to share their "campaigns" and debra would ask what the public wanted to know... must say forgot to check the other candidates after Tokyo.... I was very interested to hear what uMsholozi has to say..... uTokyo did okay, the panel yabo Mangcu gave him a rating of 7.3 out of ten....u know with the politicians when they are campaigning they tell you all the stuff you wanna hear.......maybe some1 who perhaps saw the candidates on 3rd degree can share.......

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 11:05

Okay guys, please excuse my ignorance, I still don't understand the Mbeki thing....the "no 3rd term policy" is that a SA President thing that doesn't apply to ANC president thing? Bra Bizza and Sdakwa, help a sister out!!! 

The thing is I'm trying to understand whether Mbeki wants to be elected in Limpopo so that he can be the SA president again....(is that allowed) or does he just want to be president of ANC?

witty lady
28 Nov 2007 11:09

yah, that's politics for you my dear.
Mina I just don't want Ntate Mshini for mo pres plz!

Sdakamiswa
28 Nov 2007 11:13

no 3rd term applies to SA president and it does not apply to ANC president .... nothing stops Mbeki to be ANC president then he can annoint his choice to be president of the country.... and thats what many people are against having two cnetres of power....... if i recall correctly anc president automatically means president of the country..... bt with Tboz it would be different since he's served his 2 terms as pres

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 11:19

Okay, now I get it. Thanks Sda. Okay, I must now go and think about this for a bit before I comment further.

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 11:29

Who needs Generations when you have SA politics.

@Sda, my understanding is that with enough votes though the ruling party can amend the constitution. And if Thabo wins the ANC precidency and the ANC wins National elections with enough votes he can get a third term whether we like it or not.

Sdakamiswa
28 Nov 2007 11:39

boooiiii sup..... eish bra, i dont know sipe about what u just wtote, perhaps some1 who knows better can enlighten us...... ya if my memory serves me well i do recall that the constitution of the country can only be changed when the winning party at a GENERAL(2009) election gets 2/3 majority ... but not at a PARTY election like in LIMPOPO..... the constitution of the country will not be affected by what happens at limpompo

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 11:57

Sdakwa you are right but I don't think Blaq meant the ANC would make the changes AT Limpopo. He said National elections and those aren't happening till 2009. I would also like to have more info so those in the know, please share. 

Personally, I would love for SA to have another president, I'm a Gemini and change is my thing....another president please SA.

Am excited about the 2009 elections, I didn't get to vote in the last elections coz my ID had a Surname from Pakistan and there was no way I was gonna use that thing for anything......

Sdakamiswa
28 Nov 2007 12:02

damn it must be the joint that ive jst had.... got my wires crossed there .... sori booiiii.... Swekire thanx for pointin that out.... i must ease up on the green stuff its always been not good to me

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 12:18

@BS....LMAO...surname from pakistan.....the ANC can still amend the country's constitution before 2009 cause they have 2/3 majority at the moment,however Mbeki himself and the ANC at large dont want to amend it so as to give  another person a chance....

what's currently happening is that Mbeki would have loved to be President of the ANC then Nkosazana be the deputy so that when Mbeki steps down in 2009 Nkosazana be the first women President,however he's left with the egg in his face at the moment but one thing i can tell you is that be prepared for suprises in Limpopo

when he loses in limpopo he's got 12months as the President to make certain changes in the goverment which might not be to JZ's satisfaction.The irony is that these two kinda need each other at the moment cause the next 12months are going to be interesting after he has lost and might make JZ's job difficult for him to appoint people who will clean up the mess if Thabo dares to make any

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 12:41

You sound sure that he's going to lose in Limpopo...you are saying WHEN he loses??

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 12:48

yes Shukela....do you wanna bat on that????

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 12:54

Bat or bet? LOL clearly they don't teach spelling in your "Political Science" class...

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 12:58

eish mara nawe.....

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 12:58

Honestly I do want him to lose in Limpopo but the only worrying factor about him losing is that it means Mshini boy will win....Gaad help us if he does.

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 13:00

uni tshelile uMsholozi ukuthi niyam'bambezela.....

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 13:09

Heheheh bu Bra Bizza, umzwile seka khuluma nge Death penalty, just coz he knows how emotional we all are about the crime? Talk about seizing opportunities!!

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 13:19

he knows that Tata(Mandela) was one of the people who strongly opposes death penalty but yeah he knows how people are feeling right now so he's on some charm tip to get people to be soft on him...but all will be decided in Limpopo....its not over yet for anyone(except Thabo)...this party is full of tacticians i tell you uzobona...

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 13:40

I'm anxiously waiting for the Limpopo outcome!!! Me and the rest of Mbeki. LOL 

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 13:44

P.S. Uyi memba Bizza?

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 13:44

i thought you're not into politics but dont worry who ever takes the leadership can't run this country like Bush....there's a lot to be considered and the fact that most of the economic policies are unlikely to change that signals that we will still continue to strive to achieve 6% growth if his friends(VAVI)don't strike every week and people just do their jobs...but read this

http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/default/display_article.aspx?ArticleId=1518-1522_2228055

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 13:46

eish i meant people do their work!!!

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 14:09

we still have a long way to go as a nation to start voting based on policies; for now majority of voters are still hung up on the 'emotional' vote. They dont care about the economic situation or the disarray in the our public service department; to many South Africans, esp blacks, it's still about not  wanting to have a white man/woman ruling this country. if you asked most people why they are supporting Zuma, you'd be shocked at how most of the answers do not serve to improve this country in anyway. It's all about we need a Zulu person to lead now. Wh o cares if Zuma is zulu, xhlosa or whtevr? Ya'll are starving and your children are trapped in the web of apartheid hung ups. Wake up Mzansi

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 14:16

true dat Blaq!!!

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 14:37

Hayibo Blaqueboi, ossemblief....it's XHOSA not that thingy you wrote there.

I don't really think people are worried about a white man rulling this country, I mean, who could that be? Actually, I don't think there's any white man who has hopes of being a SA president come 2009, it's just one of those things.

Eish, I'm off topic. Actually I think we aren't allowed to discuss politics here...we all know how emotional people get. 

Flo-Jo
28 Nov 2007 14:40

@ Shuga....Heheheh bu Bra Bizza, umzwile seka khuluma nge Death penalty, just coz he knows how emotional we all are about the crime? Talk about seizing opportunities!!

I also saw that!!!

Flo-Jo
28 Nov 2007 14:42

I'm anxiously waiting for the Limpopo outcome!!! Me and the rest of Mbeki. LOL 

Same here

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 14:42

@Shukela...i'm suprised ukuthi this blog hasn't been disabled cause it doesn't belong here

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 14:43

<<<but read this http://www.fin24.co.za/articles/default/display_article.aspx?ArticleId=1518-1522_2228055 >>> I read it Bra Bizza but it went over my head...will read it again tomorrow when I'm fresh, hopefully I will get it....hehehe, eish, it's tough trying to be an all rounder hih i hihi

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 14:44

Bra B, phela thina we are talking like abantu abadala, hayi these "street fights" za la...heheheh

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 14:44

@SHUGA, ok Xhosa. happy? LOL, I was trying to emphasis the 'emotional vote' issue. You have to admit that that is a valid point.

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 14:55

he he he...izikolo zivalwa nini abantwana baye kwi vacation???

maybe kumele baye eLimpopo nabo for i vacation

thato24
28 Nov 2007 14:58

its ok BLAQ, dont mind her. I hear you.

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 14:59

Damn, and my outburst was a perfect demonstration of your point neh??Heheheheh

Brown Shuga
28 Nov 2007 15:01

<<he he he...izikolo zivalwa nini abantwana baye kwi vacation???
maybe kumele baye eLimpopo nabo for i vacation>>> Hi hi hi hi I feel you...nank'omnye sefikile. Goodnightini bantu....

Bra Bizza
28 Nov 2007 15:06

goodnight Shugs and Blaq....

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 15:11

night Bra B.

Haai boh Thato!

what kind of a question is that

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 15:14

the kind that needs an answer ... ARE YOU OR ARE YOU NOT? Simple!

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:14

Vavi once said no one can stop the zuma tsunami,damn he was right msholozi is heading to the top job.who ever thought msholozi will out smart mbeki?get majority votes of women league after the rape cases,most interlectuals can't swallow this victory & i think we should learn to live with it because its our destiny,after all is not like our coutry will be ungovernable.so msholozi owes fovours to Mbalula,Vavis & Nzmandes of this world expect them in his cabinet. 

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:14

Vavi once said no one can stop the zuma tsunami,damn he was right msholozi is heading to the top job.who ever thought msholozi will out smart mbeki?get majority votes of women league after the rape cases,most interlectuals can't swallow this victory & i think we should learn to live with it because its our destiny,after all is not like our coutry will be ungovernable.so msholozi owes fovours to Mbalula,Vavis & Nzmandes of this world expect them in his cabinet. 

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:15

Vavi once said no one can stop the zuma tsunami,damn he was right msholozi is heading to the top job.who ever thought msholozi will out smart mbeki?get majority votes of women league after the rape cases,most interlectuals can't swallow this victory & i think we should learn to live with it because its our destiny,after all is not like our coutry will be ungovernable.so msholozi owes fovours to Mbalula,Vavis & Nzmandes of this world expect them in his cabinet. 

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:15

Vavi once said no one can stop the zuma tsunami,damn he was right msholozi is heading to the top job.who ever thought msholozi will out smart mbeki?get majority votes of women league after the rape cases,most interlectuals can't swallow this victory & i think we should learn to live with it because its our destiny,after all is not like our coutry will be ungovernable.so msholozi owes fovours to Mbalula,Vavis & Nzmandes of this world expect them in his cabinet. 

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:16

sorry guys

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 15:19


dont you think that is rude? it sounds like yoiu are demanding an an answer and

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 15:21

that is frankly none of your biz. W

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 15:21

hy

thato24
28 Nov 2007 15:27

Read your messages correctly. That's not what I said. I neva said it needs to be answers, I just asked if YOU ARE OR NOT? R u angry with me Blaq! ?

thato24
28 Nov 2007 15:36

you've heard of cut and paste... right?

@ Waronam, you must admit though that JZ is riding on Mbheki's misfortunes. What does he really stand for? Some of his supporters have openly said that they support him because he is not Mbheki. i dont really know the man behind the scandals and I'm not talking about his resumé. Who is Jacob Zuma?

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 15:42

how do you do that? okay this is creepy bye

thato24
28 Nov 2007 15:44

it's me you idiot come upstairs. Get off the net.

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:48

Please see this website,www.friendsofjz.co.za to get insight on to the man.

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:49

Please see this website,www.friendsofjz.co.za to get insight on to the man.

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:49

Please see this website,www.friendsofjz.co.za to get insight on to the man.

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:49

Please see this website,www.friendsofjz.co.za to get insight on to the man.

waronam
28 Nov 2007 15:49

Please see this website,www.friendsofjz.co.za to get insight on to the man.

blaqueboi
28 Nov 2007 16:02

@Waronam, There is something wrong with this site tonight.  Someone in this building was able to intersept my messages. i thought maybe it was our server but i can see you are having problems posting as well.

Strange thing is there are only 4 people in this building right now and we dont have an upstairs rooms. 

Mathaz
28 Nov 2007 23:55

I think the ANC is getting Zuma excited over nothing.  I do not see him winning, a compromise candidate will emerge.  The recent nominations are just an indication of who people like but the real wnner will still be voted for in December.  But what if Zuma wins, will that be a bad thing?

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 00:03

Mina i dont care who wins as long as its not the shower man...! I was actuallt suprised that womens leuge nominated him that just doesnt add up..! 
Anyway why should I worry cause I dont vote..? Eishh..!

Mathaz
29 Nov 2007 00:16

I was also disappointed when the Women's League voted for a MAN who said something that goes like "she asked for it by wearing a short skirt/ kanga".

tshepiso
29 Nov 2007 00:20

I agree with the author that neither JZ nor Mbeki should win the votes. who know they still got deep down secrets. I am definately sure Mbeki is as dirty as JZ and maybe more, is just they don't reveal his secrets.

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 00:27

My biggets gripe about this Zuma versus Mbeki issue is that it is more of a media creature than it is of ANC politics.Granted that the likes of that man-child called Vavi had helped to fuel it,it is more played out in newspapers and TV shows.

I dont hold Zuma in high regard,but it is very very important for us to encourage Mbeki to retire.Can you imagine what would happen if Zuma would want to remain the ANC president afterr his term?

And if he would surround himself with smart people-not Youth League menchildren,Vavis and the rest of dumbos who seem to be bloodthirsty in their quest to make JZ the next president.

In their own words'there will be blood on th floor if he does not become a President'....

Makes me think looong and hard about the future of my beloved country

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 00:29

 I agree with Desmond Tutu for saying the ANC must not elect the president that our country will be ashamed of..! 
MAN who said something that goes like "she asked for it by wearing a short skirt/ kanga".>>> Mathaz just imagine that... so it means when you look sexy and good you should be  screwed to be a screweee and those words came from someone who wants to be president..?

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 00:32

Can you imagine what would happen if Zuma would want to remain the ANC president afterr his term? >>> Vavi becoming Minister of Finance and Shaik out of nowhere being the Reserve Bank Govner ehehehe okare ka bona.

spice
29 Nov 2007 00:37

""Emotional vote""  true dat Blaque and the "most people "your referring to are the ANC women's league ,I cant even begin to describe how dissapointed I am in them but i'm not worried i'm one of those people who don't see Zuma winning but if it happens that he wins all hell will break loose and thats not want we want as a country akere

Mathaz
29 Nov 2007 00:38

those words came from someone who wants to be president..?  Can you imagine??  If he did not have so many scandals maybe...but he ruined his chances.  If Zuma wins then Mbeki would still remain the country's president and  would have to take instructions from Zuma, that is like the worst case scenario.

Yesterday there were reports that Tokyo Sexwale is funding Zuma's campaign but he of course denied it but he said he endorses his presidency, I thought he (Tokyo) was running.  They are just taking us for a ride.

People who are voting for Zuma are doing it out of emotions as they feel alienated by Mbeki.

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 00:43

TDC-O ntshositse worse now.....cant function.Im taking the rest of the day off to mourn my beloved country.

monchooza
29 Nov 2007 00:43

mina i want my Manto to be president, pity she is not in the running.....just imagine MANTO SHABALALA MSIMANG THE PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA..........it sounds too good

spice
29 Nov 2007 00:44

Eish Vavi and his crew is another issue itself  their behavior is annoying ,
I think it's time they start thinking about the weiifare of this country not how strong their financial muscle will be if showerman becomed president 
this is all sooooooo depresing 
Poor Thibos i wonder when was the last time he had a goodnite sleep (have ya'll seen him lately )

spice
29 Nov 2007 00:49

And also I think thibos himself has brought this whole sh** on himself if he just treated people with respect and stoped being selfish

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 00:51

TDC-O ntshositse worse now.....cant function.Im taking the rest of the day off to mourn my beloved country.>>> hi hi hi eally mfethu? But then guess who deputy Pres will be... The one and only so called president of Youth league nna bathong I see disaster serious..!

andi01
29 Nov 2007 00:52

I agree with the author that said neither of them should be elected. Both the men have doen more harm than good for SA, (i dont need to elaborate),I think we need to vote for Tokyo Sexwale for the following reasons.
-The man is a billionaire, he wont need corruption to feed his family.
-He is intelligent and dedicated to the party and not obsessed over leadership, "i will happily take over any role that the ANC elects me for".
-He is a man of high integrity and straight forward "it is obvious to anyone that hiv causes aids".
-A few months ago his wife was hijacked, -he is not ignorantto the depth of crime in this country. (like our prsident who once said people are exaggerating about the depth of crime in SA, 2 weeks later he wanted a security wall, protecting his house, from what if crime is not as bad).
-And most importantly Sexwale has no grounds of discriminating against any colour in SA bcoz.
-He is a black man, has a white wife, coloured children and an Asian name, talking about rainbow nation.

tshepiso
29 Nov 2007 00:53

 Monch's replies,,,,,,mina i want my Manto to be president, pity she is not in the running.....just imagine MANTO SHABALALA MSIMANG THE PRESIDENT OF SOUTH AFRICA..........it sounds too good hi hi hi  i like it !

bojala bo tile go cheaper more!!!!!!!!

sponono
29 Nov 2007 00:55

personally...i wouldnt want someone with Zuma's charecter to be my president...I would be ashamed  okwangempela......in fact if he was my father I would not be proud of him...I've heared stories from his son's friends who said his son used to complain about his father not takin care of his varsity stuies and this was BEFORE the whole Shaik fiasco..so he's not what I would identify as A REAL MAN , i.e responsible, dignified, articulate, respect women, values family and avoids ihlazo.knows when to speak ....now those are qualities I would NOt associate with Zuma

infact i dint even want to vote for Thabo i actually wanted Ramaphosa..

but for the sake of fairness I think its high time we had a Zulu for president--(yeah pull out your claws and get nasty...fine by me LOL)
..if Nkosazane Zuma aint running for Pres..(she's smart hardworking, a woman, and ugly--no chances of sexual harrassment-or Billclinton-type of scandals_ )...than the next "best thing" would be Zuma unfortunaltely....ngoba no Sbu Ndebele-who's also very intelligent  is too much into KZN and he's not a popularist like Zuma.....

thats my story and I'm sticking to it.

zozozo
29 Nov 2007 00:57

Guys all ur replies are interesting, but me i'm with the blogger that says neither of them should be voted for Presidency. Both these candidates have already killed the union in ANC by dividing the party into 2. 

Whoever wins now between the 2 would show all those who were against him who's the man, and we don't need that, we need a President who has already got new ideas on how to improve the country's economy, which i think neither JZ/T-Boz give a damn about. Both these guyz has lost their focus on their jobs, now it's about their egos.

Given a chance i would go for Nkosazana Dlamini and Naledi Pandor.

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 01:01

Adni i agree with you there gal... Tokyo Sexwale must be the president cause there is no one I see who can lead us unless ofcourse Mbeki leads again which I still wont vote.

bojala bo tile go cheaper more!!!!!!!!>>> ROTFLMAO

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 01:02

Somebody listern to Metro fm NOW!! ahahaha

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 01:03

Damn...its done but I believe Lahvee and Monchooza heard that...!ehehehehe!

Cnglemother
29 Nov 2007 01:05

Hi guys, i am new, i found this website by chance and i am so hooked been reading for the past 2 weeks and its been nothing but fun, kuyathethwa apha ngeke ndincamile.

monchooza
29 Nov 2007 01:05

bojala bo tile go cheaper more!!!!!!!!>>>>>>>>>>>espesheli the wines and woolies food wont be expensive any more, and stealing will officially be a hobby

spice
29 Nov 2007 01:08

i'm with my man Sponono Cyril for President ,yes Cyzo is the man finish and klaar 
toodecent what are they saying pls tell

zozozo
29 Nov 2007 01:09

Wamkelekile Cnglemom, sive usekhaya.

tshepiso
29 Nov 2007 01:10

if JZ take the seat, sex will be done in public,and nomore rape trials rrrffrffffrf ke a roroma plz help!

andi01
29 Nov 2007 01:12

Mbeki has been spending a lot of time with Mugabe, ya all can see.
JZ would be the worst president ever, i tell you. SA is and has been fighting women and child abuse, but he stood in front of millions and said just bcoz a woman was wearing a short skirt she wanted it.
Again he insulted the homosexual society in SA, weeks after homosexual marriages was legalized in this country, All in all, Mbeki's ANC is not Madiba's ANC and neither is Zuma's

spice
29 Nov 2007 01:13

..(she's smart hardworking, a woman, and ugly--no chances of sexual harrassment-or Billclinton-type of scandals
Trust you to say such thing about my aunt (I wonder whatJZ saw in her) LOL
But i think she also blew her chances ka that Millions for sarafina SH** how can we ever forget that ??????????????

sponono
29 Nov 2007 01:14

Hallo Cnglemother....you are welcome......mina I'm  CngleUncle....(my other name) 

spice
29 Nov 2007 01:15

Mbeki has been spending a lot of time with Mugabe, ya all can see. 
What are you implying amingo? pls elaborate myluv

andi01
29 Nov 2007 01:17

Can you imagine this guys, front page for 2010

"SOUTH AFRICAN SOCCER TEAM HAS WON THE WORLD CUP FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, PITY THE COUNTRY'S PRESIDENT COULDNT JOIN IN, IN THE CELEBRATIONS DUE TO THE FACT THAT HE IS SERVING 15 YEARS IN JAIL FOR CORRUPTION".

someone please call 911 or is it 10111

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 01:17

My other problem is that they all agendas that they hope will remain unknown to us forever.Tokyo has,Vavi,the Pres of Youth League(my computer wouldnt dare type his name),Mbeki and the rest of them.

They dont care about us.

Its been a while since I heard anyone concerned about what are our thoughts on this.COSATU says workers want Zuma.I am a worker-did they ask me?*bleep!* no!TDC?I dont think so!!SACP says the same ish,sis they ask any of you?The Youth League says the same thing about the Youth wanting Zuma.The 40 year old bastard didnt ask me,nor anyone from their branches.So whose agenda are they pursuing?

Apparently JZ understands ppl better than Mbeki.Yeah right...Let him allow ppl bako NPA to retrieve info from Mauritius,and then I might change my mind.

Mbeki and Zuma MUST retire and give a chance to Cyril Ramaphosa,or anyone not tainted in their so-called battles.et both retire to their farms,Mbeki to smoke himself to death  and Zuma to apply baby oil and shower hisself to death too.

andi01
29 Nov 2007 01:19

@Spice, we all know how obsessed over leadership Mugabe is I think that has rubbed on to our President. His time for this country's leadership has expired, he needs to realise that.

spice
29 Nov 2007 01:29

its okay Lepogo my luv you can go to the the punching blog I promise you'll feel betta hi hi hi

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 01:30

Guys mina I want to know How old are the top dogs of ANC youth league..? Lepogo no one asked us from Cosatu to the Men-Children league.

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 01:46

Mbeki to smoke himself to death and Zuma to apply baby oil and shower hisself to death too. >>> Thats hilarious hi hi hi hi...!

Lex
29 Nov 2007 01:46

Eish ya ne,I agree with zozozo,neither Tboz nor JZ should head the country or the party.If it were up to me I'd delete them from the nomination lists (if there is such a thing).

tshepiso
29 Nov 2007 01:50

 the eldest in the youth league must be 35yrs. 

Men-Children league= MADALAMBICHANA league neh!!!!!!!! hi hi hi hi huweeeeeeee

andi01
29 Nov 2007 01:50

JZ once compared onions to hiv, how ignorant of "our" next president 2 be.

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 01:55

They are in their forties.And spicy I am from the punching blog,howbeit for a different reason.Thanx for the advise.

Please lets leave Mugabe alone,Zimbos ought to fight their own battles,since we have ours staring at us.

Mbeki reasons for another term as the ANC pres is that JZ is going to ruin all the work they have done up to this far.Good intentions wrong approach.He is playing America telling everyone what to do and what not.

They should let us do the talking.The other interesting point was raised by Blaque on emoyional voting.If the poor among keep on voting for the same colours,let them blame no one for their condition!!Cause nowadays all our ppl say all the time is that the government is not doing this and that and no one is prepared to do something for themselves!!!

I must also admit it is embarrasing sometimes to hear them brathats and sistas become beggars and dependants in their own country.

Anyone willing totalk about modende wa letheka??

spice
29 Nov 2007 01:55

Onions as in Onions andile youre lying hi hi hi 
Mina i just hate the fact that he has record deal with 999 
and he likes to flaunt his little mshini plizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

spice
29 Nov 2007 01:58

modende wa letheka?? plizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz elaborate this sounds interesting

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 01:59

Mina i just hate the fact that he has record deal with 999
and he likes to flaunt his little mshini plizzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz>>>>  Ahahahaha tl tl tl tl tl I wouldnt be suprised ehehehe!

Cnglemother
29 Nov 2007 02:03

Can someone pls xplain the mentality of JZ's followers, is it a bunch of ignorant tribalists or what? UFikile Mbalula yena uyandigqiba xa ethetha ngo JZ ingathi nguThixo wakhe. JZ's brigade is always screaming or singing everytime on TV, they make me ashamed of being black especially la mama uyino1 fan yakhe othanda ukunxiba impahla zesizulu and the language they use it appauling. Cant they be decent,sensitive and civil for once ?

Msoe
29 Nov 2007 02:05

MY OPINION:

ON ZUMA: I should first declare that I am Zulu but i am strongly against Zuma being president. This ZUMA and Mbeki thing roots from the fact that amaXhosa have been ruling since 1994. Many people now are voting "emotionally" because of what i have mentioned above. I do not think that Zuma can be a good president, setting aside that he has ZERO education, i just dont see him sitting down in a panel and discussing economical issues with other presidents. I know that he is likeable in a sense but the truth is ruling a country is more that singing "AWULETH' UMSHINI WAMI". Also Zuma's name was not only turnished here but overseas as well, his case was a worldwide event. Some countries/presidents would not want to hold meeting with a "rapist" due to their relegious. And just imagen if we desperately need oil from that country.Then what happens?

ON MBEKI: Our country needs someone else to rule, if he wins a 3rd term that means we have a Zimbabwean crisis on our hands. He'll take the 4th the 5th and before we know it we will be starved like our neigbours.

On Tokyo: He might be the best businessman we have but he can never be a good president. I also watched the 3RD DEGREE and i must say that i was very dissappointed by Debra's questions because she appeared to soften up on the man. But ke singabuye sithini ngoba kungenzeka ukuthi Debra has business interest naye uToyko.

sbu001
29 Nov 2007 02:10

Mbeki to smoke himself to death and Zuma to apply baby oil and shower hisself to death too-Hilarious!!!

But to be honest looking at the future of the country,I hope something happens in the next few weeks which will change the nomination of these guys.

I was thinking along the lines of the country getting a younger president but guys like Fikile " Why r u still YL President" Mbalula are pushing agendas that cannot be understood.

I thought the ANC was going to ask both of the guys not to contest for the top job long time ago because of obvious reasons,now its too late for them to do so...

I just hate what they are doing to my country

zozozo
29 Nov 2007 02:11

One of the reason that i don't wan't JZ/T-boz  it's their ignorance concerning health issues in this country. Remember when T-Boz provoked many citizens by saying he doen't know anyone who's HIV positive, JZ did the samething with his showerstory. 

The Vavi's & Mbalula's knows that the only rule that applies in parliament is "Ukhotha emkhothayo, engamkhothiyo uyikhabela le" Look at how head of scorpions was suspendend for arresting Jackie Selebi, how deputy minister of health was fired for not adhering to T-Boz. They know to get sumwhere in that parliament is to oblige by what ever the topdogs are saying like Manto,as much as many SA citizen don't like her, T-Boz still feels her so she ain't going nowhere.

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 02:12

True that Msoe...mara guys why couldnt I think of this earlier..? Mzekezeke for President hi hi hi...!

sponono
29 Nov 2007 02:14

how can we ever forget that ??????????????

people dont really care about scandals..in fact scandals are the x-factor...(think sex-tapes-I'm thinkin of releasing mines  hi hi hi )  even Manto's story is no more headline making......as for Sarafina..at least it was about decision making in terms of finaccing  rather than a charecter flaw...yean she works very hard and is dedicated and you wont hear stories about her

spice
29 Nov 2007 02:15

Msoe your comment concerns me "I should first declare that I am Zulu but i am strongly against Zuma being president. This ZUMA and Mbeki thing roots from the fact that amaXhosa have been ruling since 1994."

I didnt know this was the case

spice
29 Nov 2007 02:18

Okay i'm getting too emotional I'm going to the punching blog

andi01
29 Nov 2007 02:19

Onions as in Onions andile youre lying hi hi hi @ Spice, ngqumakho, he was asked by Debra Patta, after found innocent of the rape charge, the interview was like this:
Debra Patta-Mr Zuma, do u honestly beleive that showering after sex reduces the chances of contracting hiv.
Jacob Zuma- I neva said that
Debra Patta- but what were you implying
Jacob Zuma- You knowe, as black people, in my culture after you touch somethings you need to cleanse your hands with water, like when you finish peeling the onions, you need to wash your hands.

I am sure Einstein was shaking in his grave bcoz thats a disgrace statement, in contrast of his law of relativity.

sponono
29 Nov 2007 02:20

oops my comment was in response to Spice..re Nkosazana

sponono
29 Nov 2007 02:26

>>Msoe This ZUMA and Mbeki thing roots from the fact that amaXhosa have been ruling since 1994.>>"..
.while I share your sentiments about JZ....this assumption  is a bit far-fetched and is ussually fueled by JZ suppoters , (rather than objective thinkers like tvsa bollgers ...LOL)

as for the onions story  Andii01...kanti dont you girls wash your hands after peeling onions...hi hi hi

sbu001
29 Nov 2007 02:26

But  guys this Zulu and Xhosa thing is stupid we should  be the guys who are watching each others back,
      -our provinces are closer to each other
      -we speak similar languages

We all want the best for the country,The fact that I don't want Zuma as president is not because I am Xhosa.Its because he is just not good enough to have the top job in the country.I don't support Mbeki also I am really hoping that these guys will see what they are doing to the country and stop it as soon as possible as 20somethings do not want to vote now because of this....

And f***k  I am still not ready for a white president...  

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 02:28

I agree 100% with you Sponono about the since 1994 ruling. This people are not using common sense properly..!

andi01
29 Nov 2007 02:28

JZ- the man cheats on his wifes, he puts them at a risk of contracting HIV, they say charity begins at home if he is willing to "kill" the people he loves the  most. If he disrespects the people that make him who he is (his wives), what makes us as a country think that he will be able to lead us and be an example. None is perfect, but people need to lead by an example.How can we have sooo much faith in some1 who has none in himself.

andi01
29 Nov 2007 02:31

@sponono,  kwa kkwa kwa, onions are stinking (couldnt find the correct word), but hiv is contagious and dadly my dear.

Quick
29 Nov 2007 02:32

I personally don't want Mbeki to be a president because it will be like Apartheid. Xhosas had their chance and now must let other people rule like Venda and Zulus. 

As for Jacob Zuma, who are we to judge, he was found innocent on the Rape charge and we must also accept that even if he did use Umthini Wakhe on that woman. 

The bible says that only God can judge, So who are we to Judge. the only option we have is to vote. If Zuma wins and you don't want him to be a president, you can always vote for Patricia De lille or Tony Leon. You have plenty of choices.

As for U Thabo, being president for the 3rd time, he will never see that. We are not stupid, not all Black people are Xhosa speaking and we will make sure that the next president is not Xhosa.

Whats her name again, Mlambo something, she was talking about women standing up against Jacob and i was like. Jacob is not the issue, she nows that if he is President then Nkosazana will be the deputy.

Its only fair that we all get a chance to make this nation a family affair, religous affair or even an Ethnic affair. Afrikaaners had their chance, Xhosas has theirs and now lets give others their chance.

spice
29 Nov 2007 02:33

Iyooooooooh andi you are ripping the Man apart
 i just hope it is not because he is zulu you are xhosa LOL

spice
29 Nov 2007 02:36

Iyhoooooooooo the situation is worsening quick dont you wanna take  back some of your words cause they are kind of insensetive

Cnglemother
29 Nov 2007 02:38

Onions as in Onions andile youre lying hi hi hi @ Spice, ngqumakho

Andi01 hayi mntanasekhaya undigqibile ngala ngqumakho term, uyicingiswa yintoni? i wonder if abantwana bangoku bayayazi. you were born early eighties clearly. undikhumbuza kude. that was classic! guys nisayikhumbula? zazisithini kanene ezinye. but its sound too cute and childish not to mention oldfashion.

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 02:40

Quick I wanna ask you a few  questions...! 

- What is the 1st word in the bible...?
- What is the last word in the bible..?
- In which direction is the church door facing..?
- And lastly are Virgin Adam..?
Stop thinking inside the box and think about outside...!

Mathaz
29 Nov 2007 02:41

I honestly do not think the race is about ethnicity, it could be that as a leader you make a lot of decision which might affect other people negatively and are not popular with the masses.  Mbeki is a VERY good leader but i guess what he failed to do was to "train" his successor.  Guys Helen Zille is not bad at all, I just hate the fact that the ANC knows they do not have strong competition.  Do you vote for someone/party because they are the same race as you?

zozozo
29 Nov 2007 02:47

she nows that if he is President then Nkosazana will be the deputy. .....
@Quick - Jah! u maybe right coz Mrs Ngcuka knows she is the first to be kicked-out of her seat by JZ, unless they(Mr & Mrs Ngcuka)  has already thought of another plot  against JZ..

sedi
29 Nov 2007 02:48

I agree with Blaq tht majority of voters r hung up on emotional vote, i think most black ppl r  not ready for a white president & i think lokho kwenza ukuthi sithathe noma yini ngoba sisaba. I think regardless what happens in LImpopo, ANC  & ppl of South Africa need a new strong oposition party to make things interesting in 2009.

spice
29 Nov 2007 02:49

Do you vote for someone/party because they are the same race as you?

I think this is entirely another discussion but i will answer. A BIG NO
If that was the case Kenneth Mashaba would be president because he is from limpopo he is pedi and a high percentage of the ANC votes comes from this particular province so lets rather leave it like that ka go re ke tlo kwata nna ngwanenyana wa mopedi 

Again this is getting too emotional for me

andi01
29 Nov 2007 02:50

@Quick- it will be like Apartheid. Xhosas had their chance and now must let other people rule like Venda and Zulus. 
What is apartheid?- oppression of black (xhosa/zulu/venda/coloured/ by white people)

As for Jacob Zuma, who are we to judge, he was found innocent on the Rape charge and we must also accept that  -(its not about whether he was found guilty or innocent, but as a leading figure, he shouldnt have put himself in that position in the first place)

The bible says that only God can judge, So who are we to Judge. the only option we have is to vote. we aint judging just being honest 

If Zuma wins and you don't want him to be a president, you can always vote for Patricia De lille or Tony Leon. he retired,

As for U Thabo, being president for the 3rd time, he will never see that. We are not stupid, not all Black people are Xhosa speaking and we will make sure that the next president is not Xhosa. fyi, T-boze doesnt even speak xhosa, have you ever heard him, Ajax khoza sounds 100 times better.

Its only fair that we all get a chance to make this nation a family affair, religous affair or even an Ethnic affair. -JZ doesnt know the meaning of the word

Quick
29 Nov 2007 02:52

Mr, Moderator. Lets not ask each other silly questions.
I am entitled to state my opinion and so should you.

Maybe you must go to the Punchees and Kisses blog cos i am not in the mood for your childishness....

More love, and keep up the good work.

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 02:57

I was to get angry at you but then decided to take your advice.... while am on that article please check with Beyonce or Tshepiso they are good in their proffession.

andi01
29 Nov 2007 02:58

@Quick- As a proud Xhosa i feel very insulted by some of your comments. I have figured out that you classify xhosa's as oppressors and greedy for leadership. I am also against Thabo Mbeki being president again, so I think it is unfair that you direct your insesitive attack at the Xhosa ethnic atlarge. This debate its about the character of Jacob Zuma against that of Thabo Mbeki and not their mother tounge. Remember this Thabo Mbeki doesnt manage the country, the goverment does, he simply leads, our goverment comprises of (whites, indians,coloureds, blacks) so its not fair to vote aginst Mbeki bcoz he is Xhosa, thats discrimination

zozozo
29 Nov 2007 03:03

Guys Helen Zille is not bad at all,

@Mathaz-  i'm interested to know  if u're a Capetonian, if yes where do u live, seriously i'm suprised to find that there is sum1 who think Helen Zille is better. 
If u live in Cape Town u will know that racism is still an issue and that woman doesn't give a damn about designated groups other than using them during election campaigns only to win votes.  

She is 1 racist woman who was called Nontsapho( speaking xhosa 4 her campaing)before provincial elections, after them, after she won them became Helen Zille" the white woman". She already show designated groups what will happen if DA can win and rule the country.

Preshiii
29 Nov 2007 03:04

I'll be back wih my comment whrn I get a 30 minute break to write bout this subject.....I am dissapointed - really dissapointed @ your statements Quick!

spice
29 Nov 2007 03:05

Well done toodecent you are getting there 
Andiswa it is not worth it my luv  just not worth it, lets  rather leave it at that

sponono
29 Nov 2007 03:05

I said objective thinkers like tvsa bloggers ....

looking at Quick's comments I guess my assumpiton that all TVSA bloggers are objective  is a bit ambitious ne!!

in fact some tvsa  bollgers are very agrro  I fear for my pc  who knows what some people are capable of "fighting for JZ"   hi hi hi....

spice
29 Nov 2007 03:10

zozo you have raised a really good point about zille ,there's sumthing about that woman i just couldn't put my finger on ,now i get it she is a bladzy racist 
well she aint going no where neither does she stands a chance 

spice
29 Nov 2007 03:10

zozo you have raised a really good point about zille ,there's sumthing about that woman i just couldn't put my finger on ,now i get it she is a bladzy racist 
well she aint going no where neither does she stands a chance in hell

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 03:10

I think all of you bloggers are supposed to be in parliament doing the debates those guys are doing now and not behing the desks...! You all open minded..!

andi01
29 Nov 2007 03:13

@Zozozo -  I honestly agree with Mathaz, Helen Zille was once a member of the ANC, black sash and all the unions against black/women oppression. She left the ANC for the same reason I have my bags packed and waiting for me at the door. She is firm, straightforward and honest, and she doesnt take s**t from no-one. Some people dont appreciate the truth thats why they dont like her. I think if we could brake the wall of seeing the DA as the "white party", then SA would be on the right track. Honestly speaking the ANC has failed us, we are stuck with it bcoz of loyalty, loyalty could be deadly, look at Zim, they are loyal to Mugabe even though he is killing them. I think for better South Africa we need to think more of what we want for our country than looking at who is Black and Zulu.

Cnglemother
29 Nov 2007 03:18

Mawethu nililumkele elizuma lingu Zuma lingawina, linesupport hayi nje kancinci, remember not only civilised people vote. So unlike kwireality shows where you can vote over and over kunyulo its one vote so lemirhudzedze yelizuma minintsi in our country. And uyayazi ke once athi mshini wakhe konakele.

Msoe
29 Nov 2007 03:19

Guys as much as we can argue about this it is a fact,
1. MOST PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR ZUMA BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED TO NOT MAKE A XHOSA (FOR THE 3RD TIME) PRESIDENT. 
2. SOME OF THEM VOTE FOR ZUMA BECAUSE HIS FRIEND, NEIGHBOUR AND EVERYONE IS VOTING FOR ZUMA NOT BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS THE CONSEQUENCES OF VOTING FOR THE MAN.
3. HE IS IN THE PAPERS MOST OFTEN THAN WHY NOT VOTE FOR HIM?

I WILL TELL YOU THIS, MOST KZN PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR ZUMA BECAUSE HE IS ZULU, AND FOR NO OTHER REASON.

I am not saying that i want a Zulu or a Xhosa or Tswana to be president, mina i have a clear understanding of what goes on in politics and I know being a president need more than which tribe an individual comes from.

andi01
29 Nov 2007 03:24

@cnglemother- i dont think its fair to call Msholozi that, he was found innocent after all. And he said it " I am sure you are all aware of the conspiracy against me, but I wont give up",  surely it was "conspiracy" that undressed him.

zozozo
29 Nov 2007 03:25

Well as we all entitled to our opinions thats mine, and get u both of u Andi & Mathaz but that's what happened here in Cape Town during the provincial elections, and what is still continuing.

Honestly speaking the ANC has failed us, we are stuck with it bcoz of loyalty, loyalty could be deadly, look at Zim, they are loyal to Mugabe even though he is killing them. I think for better South Africa we need to think more of what we want for our country than looking at who is Black and Zulu.

I agree wif u Andi here, mna i'm still in a dilemma of voting on the next coming elections. Unforutnately ppl are still stuck to their damn colours as if they gonna loose their values and traditions by not being racist to each other.

spice
29 Nov 2007 03:28

I beg to differ

andi01
29 Nov 2007 03:29

@zozozo kanti u need 2 vote, it will make a huge difference, u can always vote for the PAC or the Freedom Front, just make sure u exercise your vote, kwa kwa kwa

sponono
29 Nov 2007 03:31

thanks Msoe at least that sounds like a realistic obervation that an objective person can make..but I hope our blogers do not fall under any of the reasons you've given except for omunye umbresti engmazi ngedwa...*qwink Quick wink*

Vhutsila
29 Nov 2007 03:32

Hi all, I am new.....I am really depresed by the so called members of the ANC gambling with our lives. I will not try and justify the current matters to our country but I feel that by packing our bags and leave the ruling party and we go to the white party will not solve our problems,  we dont know  what they will do to us when they are given another chance.

I must say this, bona they are no willing to compromise as yet and they do not have our interest at heart. So little has change since the ANC took over kodwa it is ver important that sometimes we reflect back and acknowledge the little that has been done in the 13 years.

One thing that apartheid has managed to do is segregation ku maxhosa, zulu venda, tswana etc....Coz we are always trying to prove who is better than the other.
Lastly I would like to say if only this comments can be read by our leaders and they redress the way the do things.

Mathaz
29 Nov 2007 03:33

@Andi01.. I could not have said it better.  The time has come where we have to look beyond race.  Our politicians have changed, greed and power tends to be the motivating factor nowadays.  Oh yes Smuts Ngonyama said it better "I did not fight for this struggle just to end up poor".  Makes one think

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 03:39

@Quick,
Tis a case of pot calling kettle black.If you airing your opinion,owning without making anyone feel foolish for thinking differently.

I dont hate JZ,nor do I like Mbeki.But both men are not good for my country.Period.It has got nothing to do with ethnicity.Few ppl before you raised it a a minor factor,only for you to flood our eyes with it as a fact.

Honestly I find ppl who are ethnic driven petty and backward.We have lived sooooo much next to each other I have forgotten sum of my friends are Zulu,Venda or any other thing.But,no,not you,'Xhosas had their chance and now must let other people rule like Venda and Zulus.'

This is throwing a tantrum over reality.You will be smart,very smart,the day you will see ppl,not Venda or Zulu.

Im going to punch you now now.Be back 

sponono
29 Nov 2007 03:41

Sawubona Vhutsila...welcome ...I'm the designated tantrum-monitor...so when you feel like throwin one  just know I'm watchin yah...hi hi hi

serioulsy...I wish some of the polical analysist could read y'alls comments..coz most of y'all are so clued up  you scare me....sirias  kungcono nivule inhlangano yenu

andi01
29 Nov 2007 03:51

@Vhutsila- welcome home, bags and leave the ruling party and we go to the white party will not solve our problems, we dont know what they will do to us when they are given another chance.  i sense a lot of racism here. now ask urself how different are you from the previous goverment if you refer to people like this.
Secondly people need to differentiate between the NNP and the DA (formely known as the DP). The NNP beleived in black oppression thats why Marthinus van Schalkwyk killed it. But the DA, believes in making South Africa a better place for all, read their constitution. It unfair to punish the DA for Pick Botha's goverment sins just bcoz they happen to share the same skin colour.
@Lepogo- couldnt agree with u more.

black.magee
29 Nov 2007 03:52

andi01
29 Nov 2007 03:54

Helen Zille is responsible for uncovering the truth behind Steve Biko's murder, but she never got any praise for that because she is pale and she is a member of the so called "white Party", i think thats racism at its best.

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 03:56

Helen Zille is responsible for uncovering the truth behind Steve Biko's murder, but she never got any praise for that because she is pale and she is a member of the so called "white Party", i think thats racism at its best. >>> True that!!

Msoe
29 Nov 2007 04:05

We can never run away from the fact that "WHITES" as we all put them are good when it comes to the ECONOMY and stabalizing it. I am not saying there are no blacks who can do that but i am looking at the current situation on where SA stands when it comes to economy. Comparing to when whites ruled its worst, they tell us it will get better but mina the way i see it, into engangiyithenga ngo R5 last month isiwu R5,02 this month, next month it will be R5,30.

So why not put a white guys to be a deputy president or a Governer for that matter. White used us when they were in power so why not used them. They negotiate better than we can ever be because as much as it is not right, skin will always be an issue no matter where you are in the world China, Russia, USA or any other country. So I say white person for Deputy President.

I do not bealive that our country is mature enough for a woman president, it is still too early for that. 

blaqueboi
29 Nov 2007 04:06

Bloggers, I am ashamed to be part of this country. What's with the whole ZULU, XHOSA or GREEN president thing? I 'd be happy if my cousins and the guy on the streets gets an opportunity to have a better life. Shouldn't that be your concerns not ethnic divisions? funny thing is ya'll can have your zulu or xhosa president, great , but once he's there you'll be complaining about the lack of services and the incompetence of your goverment. Hey, you voted them in without considering the facts that affect your lives.

AGAIN WAKE UP Mzansi, we have the power to better our children's lives; Let's start a new chapter that will benefit those who need us the most. We should be the Generation of change because those who preceded us in this democracy have failed us.

Msoe
29 Nov 2007 04:13

I will rather not vote than vote for a party that has a WHITE leader. Im sorry but the picture of my younger self sleeping with my track suits and hearing gun shots and having my father dragged out and being bitten nearly to death is the reason. Im sorry shame, NEVER. Even if that party was headed by jesus himself, if he is white than THANK YOU. Sorry Andi01!!!

Msoe
29 Nov 2007 04:16

People ,dont say i am racist because i can marry an old white man who is very rich like the Kroks.....hiihihiihi

spice
29 Nov 2007 04:19

WOW andile I didnt know that (zille )
But I agree with vhuthsila 100% couldnt have said it better myself but one thing for sure is that we all want someone who is going to do the country betta so the white party is definetly not a suitable candidates (given their history) ,
Mbeki is not either(we dont want another mugabe),
tokyo is also not (better business man than a country's president),
JAYZEE well we do I start ,
Hellen Zille( i kinda agre with zozoz's stetement),
Nkosazana (I still have beef with her for squandering millions like that ) 
so who are we left with 
Cyzo(cyril ) and who???????????

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 04:24

DJ Sbu for President Spice but as Mzekezeke. LOL

Titanic
29 Nov 2007 04:39

As much as i love uMvuyelwa i think he should just back down, but the thought of having uGedleyihlekisa as my President makes my life a misery. I think they should both withdraw from the race for the interest of the ANC and the country. The sad truth is ANC is divided, and to mend it we need uMbeki, there is no one else who will unify it. Zuma would never lead the country without him!!

Coming to Oomama be ANC, Im very dissappointed. In a normal world you would expect them to vote for Mbeki for his loyalty and support for gender equality in this country. He is one man who fought for women, who stood by them, who gave them a right to be everything they want to be. He took women under his wing, he gave them the most important ministries and positions in the cabinet, The Minister of Health, Minister of Education,Deputy President of the country, Public works, Housing Ministry, Foreign Affairs etc. HE made us proud to be SA women, the law in SA sides with women. All because he believes in the power and intergrity of a Woman. He repeatedly tells them that this country is nothing without Oomama. But I feel ANCWL have failed the president, they are practically firing him from the office and God knows who will ever fight for them again!! 

Msholozi is a traditional man who still think having 5 women is cool and cultural and sleeping are around is man's right. The next thing we know we'll be told that we all belong to the kitchen.

andi01
29 Nov 2007 04:41

@Msoe, i hear you and believe you are right but then again, while having those images in ur head, also picture this.
finding ur 3 yr old sister lying in the veld, naked, covered with blood, some of her body parts missing, the killer is around, comes to ur house @ night, shoots ur father and kills ur father, paralyses ur mother and stole soem of ur belongings, all this bcoz our president refuses to aknowledge that crime is high in SA. and also the killer knows that even if he goes to jail he'll be out in no time, bcoz we no longer practice death penalty.
its the same thing over and over

sponono
29 Nov 2007 04:46

off the topic....DID Y'ALL WATCH KHUMBULEKHAYA..and how that guy reminded me of tatu Gedle'yhlekisa the way he said..."isandla siyaphunyka ngoba nawe ukhuluma nomkanjani" hi hi hi such statements are so Zumi-sh..love Andile for her  unapologetic stance at women abuse.."mhlambe ngabe nawe usukhathele ukubhoklozwa ekhaya..sibhalele..LOL

sorry to go off  ungxolele mphathi wohlelo

blaqueboi
29 Nov 2007 04:51

Andi, on the same token,there is no gurantee that the death penalty will be put into law if JZ becomes president.

Msoe
29 Nov 2007 04:53

@Andi01-So what are you saying really? That Zuma should be president because he claims he will bring back the death penalty?

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 05:01

@andi01,
This is the worst thing anyone has ever said since I joined this forum(hanging my head in shame). Didnt he admit in Parly and before he left for France,when he opened the comm center in Midrand?

Does his acknowledgement mean that the crime levels will go down?Does he have to have a gun a shoot all criminals dead?Must he institue death penalty and hope the crime levels will go down??Isnt the death penalty a constitutional issue??

Do you think jail is a fun place to be?I am sorry but this is the most moronic submission ever...

Independent reports show that close contanct crime(murder,rape,etc) is more prevalent between ppl who are known to each other,and I must raise my disappointment at your level of  engagement,that you had to resort to shock tactics to get your point across...

sbu001
29 Nov 2007 05:02

guys i am not happy having a white president (those are good pretenders)-i am telling u if south africa decides to vote for white president we screwed-no more BEE

andi01
29 Nov 2007 05:02

What I am saying is that  yes the old goverment was fucked up a lot, but it really would help if we could stop looking @ skin colour and focus more on making this country work for every one. But also I wonder why was crime not so high when the death penalty was on. i think we also need 2 look @ some of the approaches of the so called "white people", to get things right, bcoz after all they are south africans.
As for Jacob Zuma for president, HELLLLL NOOOO, OVER MY DEAD BODY.

sbu001
29 Nov 2007 05:12

andi01 wrote-we could stop looking @ skin colour  and then what happens u get fired for no reason ,TVSA a luxury and BEE and Employment Equity scrapped....darkies back to square.. we can try that thirty years from now but hell not now.

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 05:14

Mara why isnt Patrice Motsepe running for Presidency...? it could give some flavour to the race..! As for shower man HELL NO !

andi01
29 Nov 2007 05:15

Does his acknowledgement mean that the crime levels will go down?
once he aknowledges then he will act upon that, if he thinks its not there why would he do anything about that. I think he is a hypocrite bcos shortly after that he ordered a 1million security wall for himself, what for?, he wants to protect himself but doesnt care about other people that are affected by crime daily.

Does he have to have a gun a shoot all criminals dead?
I never insinuated this

Must he institue death penalty and hope the crime levels will go down??Isnt the death penalty a constitutional issue?? 
but then again who would think of committing crime if he knew it will cost him hislife, criminals are not stupid, they take other people's lifes with pleasure, knowing that nothing will happen to them.

Do you think jail is a fun place to be?
hell no i've been, but rape, murder isnt fun either, people should be punished for the wrongs they do.

I am sorry but this is the most moronic submission ever... 
i appreciate you stating your views, but i wish you couldnt do it in an insulting manner, you might not agree with me but calling my opinions moronic  its rather cruel, cold, insesitive, uncalled for, unnecessary, but mostly hurtful. I am just stating what I believe and I dont think its fair being called a moron.

disappointment at your level of engagement,that you had to resort to shock tactics to get your point across... 
you might view my statement as tactic, until it happens 2 some1 close 2 u. I know what I am talking about believe you me.

Cnglemother
29 Nov 2007 05:21

can u imagine how how many times his mshini will phunyuka out of his pants if he becomes president? feel sorry for the young interns zasePresidency bafa abantwana babantu lelizuma!!

blaqueboi
29 Nov 2007 05:30

Haaai Msoe,  ba startile se ba bitsana Di morons; Well that's my cue to leave. This was a refreshngly  intelligent discussion we've had here in a while - until now. Bye!

sponono
29 Nov 2007 05:51

I understand Lepogo's reaction to Andi01's pro-death penalty reply....-ITs a common reaction from those who Dont support death penaly

BUT using insults aint gonna get your point across...MINA I still yet have to get someone to convince me that the death penalty wont reduce the crime rate...( and I was hoping Lepogo is the one judging from his very logical and matured replies in other articles) serias  yes its a practice that is seen as babaric and has its faults, but the current justice systme hasnt been considerate to victimes...and Andi01 is right  what you think is a shock-tactic, is actually a reality that would hit you once you personally experience it..-so maybe Lepogo's response could have been a more constructive one where maybe some of us would be enlightned as to why the govermenet is not pulling all the stops in an attempt to reduce crime, including opening the debate on death penallty and actually accepeting the fact the a majority of south africans actually support it....

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:00

It has happened soo many times in the lives of those close to me.I have been hijacked twice,the second time around two days after receiving the new car from insurers,my wife was hijacked cos 'she was driving a mans car'.In all instances excessive force was used,we were threatened with death.

But do I entertain thoughts of revenge,of seeing them hang?No,because it merely means the punk is taken away,but the demand of stolen cars remain,the factors driving decent ppl to such levels remain.

Maybe we are looking at the wrong issue here,cos the presidency wont change any of that,them criminals are our friends,neighbours,boyfriends and stuff.So the issue of crime is irrelevant in our quest for a new president.
 
My sinere apology for calling your submission what I did.I was way outta line.I was meant your opinion,not your personality.That was chidish of me,cos it touches the raw nerve.

faraimagic
29 Nov 2007 06:03

since i come from CHINA(hi hi hi) i cant realy comment here! but i wud like to say this POLITICS is a very slipery game and you can fall anytime!
keep that in mind!

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 06:05

Le thoma go tagwa jaanong neh...?

tshepiso
29 Nov 2007 06:14

" stop looking in other people's universe" an advert on TV. which is true,lets visit our own. what if u are elected as a President.
what will change?

sponono
29 Nov 2007 06:19

Lepogo said>>So the issue of crime is irrelevant in our quest for a new president. 

while I agree with evrithing else you've said...but dont you think  there are certain major issues that will influence our choice of who should lead the govnment....
I belive that even surveys show that Crime , housing and unemployement are three major issues that most of use feel the govt should deliver to its mandate  and that cannot be irrelevant to our quest for the new president..because I think the general consesus is that the govt has only made fat cats and not tackled these issues thoroughly  ....so  whoeva takes over will certainly sing these topics to death in order to get votes so we will listen and choose who sings betta and Zuma's tune sounds kinda nice when it comes to crime coz as you said its a thorny issue....espsh for those who've personaly experienced it.

andi01
29 Nov 2007 06:19

@tshepiso, i will be back to reply, at the moment I am still mending my brokeb heart.

spice
29 Nov 2007 06:20

Okay I'm back whatz new ?.........................right     we are discussing the death penalty now ,okay let me put on my thinking helmet i'll be back now now

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:22

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:22

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:22

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:22

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:22

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:22

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are mnot

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:22

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:22

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:23

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:23

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:23

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:23

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:23

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the concentration in this

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:23

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:23

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:23

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on a better

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on a better life for

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on a better life for all,pity

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on a better life for all,pity the purveyors of the

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on a better life for all,pity the purveyors of the slogan

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on a better life for all,pity the purveyors of the slogan are

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on a better life for all,pity the

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:24

@Spo,
I am hanging my head in shame here,sorry for my foolish attack earlier on.

It is a constitutional issue.Its been a while since the constitution has been amended,and evrytime it has been amended it has been for non Human rights issue.

The only way to do it is to prove that all methods of law enforcement have failed,that theeconomy is failing because of criminal activity,that the international community is no longer moving any form of capital in to the country.

Its an economic reason,coupled with ANCs record in terms of Huan Rights issues.And in this country the most powerful lobbying group is this one,which will never ever let the death penalty be brought back.

It is also about the death penaltys success rate.Of all countries which still use it,less than 3% gets it right,the justice system is not questionable,they are sure that they are hanging the 'right' person.In the US,where the UCLA is campaigning very hard to have it abolished,almost 86% of the current death row inmates are either black or first time offenders who were not found guilty beyond reasonable doubt.

I can go on and on about this issue,but ultimately,you still find the worst of killers in the US,China,even in Saudi Arabia.And if it fails where ppl are not as violent as our ppl,it makes you think long and hard about is merits.

Other than that,the efforts in my Mzantsi must be concetrated on a better life for all,pity the purveyors of the slogan are liars.;...

spice
29 Nov 2007 06:26


Andie babes i apologise on his behalf Im sure it was not his intention to insult you like that ,he is probably preparing his apology speech as we speak because he is a gentleman like that 

AKERE LEPOGO???????????????????????????????????

Toodecent
29 Nov 2007 06:28

Ao bathong lepogo... paje le keyboard ga di tsamaisane bathong..!

spice
29 Nov 2007 06:28

OKAY WE GET IT LEPOGO yuwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

sponono
29 Nov 2007 06:29

Lepogo ....Wow ...that was very enlightneing indeed..and I think we get emotional that we dont really look at the nitty gritties of bringin back the death penalty..and I guess a populist would use such senitive issues to get votes without knowing how deep the issue is..

lookslie yo reply thingy got really excited about the issue...LOL

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 06:36

Ooooooops!!!!

tshepiso
29 Nov 2007 06:43

I will export all the Nigerians (sorry if we got a Nigerian

andi01
29 Nov 2007 06:52

@Thsepiso, what about Zimbabweans, Angolans, Namibians, Congolese, somalians, chinese, Mozambicans, zambians, what would u do to them

sponono
29 Nov 2007 07:02

mtsepana....Do you EXPORT people as well.....very interesting..adn who will you IMPORT  AND why.....

lepogo
29 Nov 2007 07:04

And the other factor is foreigners.If anyone wants to win the next elections,let them concentrate on us,the emerging middle-class and the estableshed one,cos we are also worried about the country's immigration policy.

Most of the crime funds the opulent lifestyles of these faceless people,who are lucky not to be ko national database in Pretoria,thats why they never get caught.

If we regulate the exodus,it becomes easier for the enforcers to know their moves and proactively fight crime.And the biggest criminals are the ones in suites.

Think about it-who imports hard drugs in to the country?Is it a Sanza like penniless guy who lives in Troyeville?Who orders the Beemers?Who has connections le bo Selebi?Rich guys,who have stuurboys do do stuff for them.

Therefore,friends,the issue of crime is much more complex than we would like to think.And with so many foreigners in the country who can bribe the officials for them to move easily  between borders.

libra
29 Nov 2007 07:39

i never thought i will see the day when bloggers discuss politics

spice
29 Nov 2007 07:52

Akere bo Thiboz they prefare popularity  than responsibility look what happened ka the Zim issue I was shocked at the reaction of our government 


gaaaaaaaaaaaaad sungbady pls puch my bosssssssssssssss what the hell does he want now

tshepiso
29 Nov 2007 08:08

Seponono these people got the high rank post in SA and what wonders me is how and when are they being interviwed. look how many well educated kid are outside there jobless. when it comes to a South africans u can not be interviwed over the phone but for them is very easy. 

Brown Shuga
29 Nov 2007 12:46

Mmmmmhhh how refreshing!!

Floh
03 Dec 2007 04:10


Nor  wonder why Tbooze did quiet diplomacy ko Zim, kanti he want to rule forever and ever, hhayi I didn't know he's also power hungry.But why if Zuma is in the race and ppl thinks about 3rd term,

KeleFabulous
03 Dec 2007 05:58

damn this has made for some fascinating reading! i've been glued to this for almost an hour reading all your replies! and to think i stayed away from it for so long thinking this was too much of a debate!

what is this issue with Xhosa/zulu ish? i'm Tswana and i never had a problem with whoever's leading's mother tongue. really now people let's get real. this is not about race. it's about our country. i for one think the ANC and its people have done more than enough damage which they themselves cannot repair. i firmly believe it's time the official opposition took the lead.

taking a look at the last few yrs since democracy, there's been good and bad that the ANC has managed to birng about. but the bad has been too sensationalised (no 1) and too damaging to both us as a country and them as a ruling party. for me giving someone the power to lead has absolutely nothing to do with race. it's about what the person can do to better my life and the lives of the people of this coutry. honestly i think ANC has failed where it most needed to succeed - health and crime. yes we all know about apartheid and we've lived thru it etc etc but that is in the past! if you look at the good (minus apartheid) that came out of a white ruling party that for me would be more than enough reason to vote for the DA. the rand did better, people had access to a good health system, crime was nothing like it is now!

and for us to say never again! (to the white leader) could be the very thing that is holding us back. what white person in their right mind, if given the leadership, is going to try and do us like the apartheid government? pik botha maybe but who's gonna vote for him (and he's dead mos ne?). my point is, we know who the enemy (apartheid) is, and it's not white. the person has a name. we know their name and we won't make the mistake of giving them the power. however that does not mean we should turn our backs on what could possibly be the best thing for this country simply because the person/people is black!

TDC as u said i'm thinking OUT OF THE BOX. hehehe

faraimagic
03 Dec 2007 06:03

all i know is if uJZ becums president we gona have more showers in our homes!hi hi he will see to it .if fight of H.I.V!

zozozo
03 Dec 2007 06:11

GUYZ did any of u read City Press yesterday, mhhhhhh! things are heating-up inside the ruling party's cabinet. Well if u didn't ur loss, but i see luvbug has read it.

Bra Bizza
03 Dec 2007 06:11

and mini skirts will be prohibited and the gov will give us grants to buy soap in the fight against HIV

Toodecent
03 Dec 2007 06:13

true that KeleFab!

Amazing
03 Dec 2007 06:17

UMbeki kumele adedele abanye but Hayi u JZ. I was thinking along the lines of Cyril Ramaphosa.

J-Girl
03 Dec 2007 06:53

mhhhhh this has provided some interesting read, unfortunately the JG is PAC so she would rather not comment, altho if I were to decide who I want as the next president, it would be T-Bo Touch and not Mshozaloza coz that little stunt he pulled sokuzuma then avase athathe ishower was net too low! so i cant even bring myself to respecting him as an adult let alone to rule a country. I am living evidence of an emotional voter but I got reason to be, issues like rape are issues that affect me as a woman so nje if umtu ofana nozuma could get off scott-free after doing that and still lead our country, of course I am going to get mad and going to base my vote on how i feel. there is my 2cent's worth.

 

Floh
03 Dec 2007 06:59


The problem we faced with here in SA ( Corporate and Goverment) is " We do not do proper skills transfer, ppl lead as sole entities 
and now we don't know whom to choose as the future leader ( as we faced with two man we don't like), 
And we have the two businessman whom says they are lobbied in the race, and we also not sure if they are good leaders or they are only good in closing deals.

I don't think that is brilliant to try to lead the country by taking chances, 
Why did they leave politics in the first place?
Are they prepared to give up on the businesses and focus on the ppl of this country or they want to make themselves more wealthy?

And heard Parlor Jordan on 3rd degree talking about the strategy that they will use ( it was along 3rd ntonintoni) anyone who remember it , pls enlighten cause we getting many terms now ahead the Limpopo conference.

And about Kgalema Mohlanthe, I'm sppechless

azHOT
11 Dec 2007 05:51

6 days to go and all will be revealed. buckle up!!!

J-Girl
11 Dec 2007 06:45

i read some material on T-Boz this weekend on 2nd thots, i doubt if i feel he should be president still, then again neither do i feel good ngomshozaloza but ke akhonto 6days to go and Mshozaloza will be president of the ruling party whether we like it or not.

Mathaz
11 Dec 2007 06:49

Ja, it seems like he will win the race.  What do you think about the women's league turnaround, saying that they did not vote for Zuma but that their votes were flawed.  I think they realised later what they had done and felt embarrased and ashamed for failing to nominate a woman for the top post.

Amazing
11 Dec 2007 06:50

In the almost certain case that JZ wins. I will not vote for the ANC.

spice
11 Dec 2007 06:52

you seem to be  100% percent sure of the results J girl  why? how do you know ?who is your source spill the beans .  
wena Azhot we are still waiting for your so called article about this burning issue tick tock

azHOT
11 Dec 2007 07:56

patience is a virtue.

azHOT
11 Dec 2007 08:00

@spice: ngiyadlala wena mpintsh yami i just had to make sure that i don't conflict with my employment contract should my 2cents worth fall into the wrong hands. fine print is a real B***!!!

J-Girl
11 Dec 2007 08:19

@spice - nono i am basing my assumption on the fact that he has more nominations than his buddy T-Bo  because as I get it as much as the vote is secret at the end of the day u wont vote for somebody u didnt nominate, in the political world its even more taboo - its seen as a form of prostitution, u might as well xfloors if u gonna be wasting the organization's time and energy plus it just doesnt add up - illogical
@mathaz - can i just reserve my comments for the ANCWL becoz...like I said...its not done so i will not comment
@amazing - as much as i would love to sleep in the blanket as you; it will choke me. I am PAC right - by choice and by choice and with reason, but my dear combrades arent realistic to the world that we live in today, which is why they will not even make it to opposition in the next 15 to 20 yrs. I will vote the ANC bcoz from where I am standing they are the only org. which is true and loyal and still present itself as thee organisation that stands for black people of SA and are sensitive to issues of today, poverty, housing, unemployment.
I could never sleep peacefully @ night knowing I did not vote black people's party because I will feel I will have betrayed my fellow black sistas and brothers!

spice
11 Dec 2007 08:44

jaa this is getting realer by the day I was just reading the paper (the Star) and reality struck me ,J Z might actually become the next SA president I get a chill down my spine just by the thought ,I fear for my future

spice
11 Dec 2007 08:52


And the ANCYL's president  behaviour digusts me( read his comments about TBoze) he has no respect whatsoever ,he better watch his steps I'm no fan of the man( Tboze ) but insulting him like that is down right rude and unnecessary what kind of image is he potraying mxxx

ngwana
11 Dec 2007 09:06

This weekend, for the first time, I heard BLACK people talking about leaving the Country, if Zuma becames President

Msoe
11 Dec 2007 09:15

Zuma is going to be on 3RD DEGREE tonight guys, do not miss it!

Toodecent
12 Dec 2007 00:51

Spice that ANC YL president disgusts the *bleep!* out of me.. really. Who The does he think he is..? Cant wait for the Limpopo thing to be over..!

J-Girl
12 Dec 2007 01:01

S**t I missed Zuma last night, somebody plz what went down, what was he saying?

Floh
12 Dec 2007 01:06


I didn't watch 3rd Degree yesterday, anyone who watch pls yiza nazo.

I also saw Tokyo Sexwale next to Msholozi in the news yesterday, and what was that all about?

Toodecent
12 Dec 2007 01:07

J-Girl question is Did he Pitch..?ehehehehe!

lepogo
12 Dec 2007 01:17

I only saw Lekota and Buti Manamela,one of JZ hounds.Lekota was given a 3rd degree on why he criticised JZ.

Buti explicitly said JZ taking a shower is,and I quote"million times better than denying the relation of the virus and AIDS".

Switched channels thereafter.Cant let my ears be filled with such hogwash.

No wonder I have an earache this morning

J-Girl
12 Dec 2007 01:18

yo yo yo, i just read on the other blog ba the dude didnt pitch, heeeeerrr maaan,
kanti these people why dont they take their constituency serious? 
reasons for not pitching were? mxxxim yazi,

spice
12 Dec 2007 01:19

Tokyo sexwale two faced bas***d I told you he is not the right candidate nxxx ,lets see what will happen if showerman looses the battle who will he(Tokyo) be rubbing shoulders with ?

Mathaz
12 Dec 2007 01:20

Zuma called Patta the day before he was to be there and personally apologised but he said that he will try to squeeze them in. probably after Limpopo.  They had Terror Lekota and Buti Manamela, president of Communist Youth League.  Lekota was just saying how Zuma is playing the victim card whilst it was he (Zuma) and Mbeki who reached an agreement that he should be dismissed.

Apparently there was a meeting, i dont know when exacly but there was a resolution that none of the Senior ANC members should be in relations  (business)with Shabir Shaick so Zuma defied that order.  Terror also mentioned that Zuma publicly critices ANC policies in relation to the criminal justice but fails to air his concerns with them.

Buti tried to defend Zuma but he was not good at it, they should have had Fikile Mbalula.  The judges gave Zuma 4/10 citing that he is surrounded by shady characters.

J-Girl
12 Dec 2007 01:26

ta Mathaz,
Buti will kill u wena for saying he is the president of the CYL, its properly called Young Communist League...hi hi hi
I cant believe Zuma jong

Mathaz
12 Dec 2007 01:29

Thanks for the correction.

lepogo
12 Dec 2007 01:36

Ya Buti,come to think of it,Him and Francis(the sacp spokesperson) were touted as some of the brainiest young leaders at one stage.

Funny what freebies,loose women and cupious amounts of whisky have done to these great sons of the soil

spice
12 Dec 2007 01:42

LOL @ lepogo what................... ?????????????

ngwana
12 Dec 2007 03:18

he will try to squeeze them in. probably after Limpopo>>   Smart move on his part, his followers would have seen what a clever person he is.

Floh
18 Dec 2007 01:51


Morning All,

@ spice.................Tokyo sexwale two faced bas***d I told you he is not the right candidate nxxx ,lets see what will happen if showerman looses the battle who will he(Tokyo) be rubbing shoulders with ?...................Now he has given his nomination ( Chaiperson ) to Baleka Mbete because he strongly support women as he did with the Apprentice.......................I'm wondering what's next?.....................Maybe T_Bose will give his nominations to Winnie.LOL

Bra Bizza
18 Dec 2007 02:09

This is getting interesting minute by minute...i wonder if JZ people will stop the NPA next year seeing that there's new evidence that they have uncovered...have they thought about post 2008/9 or is their mission to get Thabo out....as for Tokyo im not suprised by his moves...its his character..

Miss K
18 Dec 2007 02:22

Hay mna i'm just dissaspointed by how childish and immature the commarades have been behaving since the start of the conference. Was any1 watching when they kept on singing and boooing Lekota (i think) when he was trying to get order so that the conference can start? They were told not to sing or have any cards, tshirts with Zuma or TBose at the conference but do u think they listened. I was really disgusted and ashamed when i watched on Sunday. I bet the white racists are laughing their asses off at these darkies that fought for freedom but now are treating each other like shyt!

Mathaz
18 Dec 2007 02:42

Majority of colonised states who got their independence also had a booming economy then greed and the love of power took over.  It would be so bad to see South Africa also fall into that state.  What's wrong with Africa? 

Brown Shuga
18 Dec 2007 04:11

<<Was any1 watching when they kept on singing and boooing Lekota (i think) when he was trying to get order so that the conference can start?>> Saw it, laughed at him for a bit but then it carried it of for way too long and I got irritated.

Mbeki on the other hand....his speech was way too Loooooooooooooooonnnnnnnnngggggggggggggggg....is he trying to be the new Gatsha?

I think it's clear, that JZ is gonna come out tops, there's even talk of Mbeki's people asking him to bow out of the race????...shame...

Bra B, JZ ain't worried about whether or not they charge him...he said he won't step down if they charge him, he will only step down if found guilty in the court of law and we all know that he has a "great" track record when it comes to winning court cases so I'm not holding my breath!

Babyface
19 Dec 2007 00:40

The best Team has won! I hope they won't 4get that they are not bigger than the organisation

Quick
19 Dec 2007 00:47

Yes they did and i am proud that South Africa made right decision.
This goes to show that once people make up their mind there is no stopping them. to everyone who thought Zuma is the worst, guess what he is the best.

I love South Africa after all, the people know what they want and Zuma is that thing. I feel sorry for Phumzile, Terror and the rest. 

Now i can't wait for Zuma to make us proud. show them what u r made of.

NB: those are my feelings, if u have a problem, just keep it to yourself cos i don't have time to argue.

Hoooorrayyy, Mshini has won!!!!!!!!!

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 01:11

Its a pity Tony Leon is no longer the DA president coz i'm not a Helen Zille fan otherwise i'd know which way i'd be voting come 2009. 

Now i can't wait for Zuma to make us proud. show them what u r made of. I aint arguing with u Quick after all u are entitled to your opinion but I  won't be holding my breath! 

By the way what is he really made of besides Kangas and showers?

KeleFabulous
19 Dec 2007 01:26

we just have to hope and pray for the best...i for one have lost faith in the anc. come next elections they won't be getting MY vote! and this is not entirely because of jz....i wud still have felt the same had it been mbeki. none of them deserve this position!

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 01:34

Its a sad reality for all civilized and decent south africans, i almost cried when i saw my camp leaving the stage after the humilitiaon caused by the staggering votes that the shower guy received. Its clear that south africans prefer hooliganism; tribalism over intelligence. Mbeki supporters were so mature; calm and collected as always, i dont think it would have been the same should the results were the other way round. Just shows that the Mbeki camp is full of intellectuals and civilized people not to mention world class citizens.

monchooza
19 Dec 2007 01:36

i will vote for KISS party

lepogo
19 Dec 2007 01:43

Congrats and good luck to all who woke up with a smile-cos I didnt.Im also not holding my breath......

Im going for drinks-sorry but I must reprocess this....

tshepiso
19 Dec 2007 01:58

MSHINI WAM MSHINI WAM ets all sing together, u like it or not SA's new anthem is MSHINI WAM SHINI WAM

our Health minister should now think of a new protection for dikuku tsa rona, even if a master lock should be created because re mo kotsing!

Zee Babes!
19 Dec 2007 01:59

The speculations are over and its a fact Msholozi won...Cnglemother your opinion of Mbeki camp - is just that "opinion" and you are entlitled to it.  As for the rest of us who believe in a democratic leadership - we are willing to let a leader dat is democratically elected by the ruling power rule. 

Renegade
19 Dec 2007 02:01

 I was just suprised at the show of hooliganism shown by the zuma supporters, I mean honestly, grown men who have to be called to order so much? Hai bo, lets just hope we are not in for this for more years to come.

That being said, mina i'm like Kele, I liked neither of the candidates really. All I can do now is hope that Zuma's supporters are intelligent and have valid reasons for their faith in the man.
So, all the best for our country.

Renegade
19 Dec 2007 02:01

 I was just suprised at the show of hooliganism shown by the zuma supporters, I mean honestly, grown men who have to be called to order so much? Hai bo, lets just hope we are not in for this for more years to come.

That being said, mina i'm like Kele, I liked neither of the candidates really. All I can do now is hope that Zuma's supporters are intelligent and have valid reasons for their faith in the man.
So, all the best for our country.

myname
19 Dec 2007 02:02

they won't be getting MY vote thanks Kele & mna i thank Gaad its over

witty lady
19 Dec 2007 02:02

eeish, and be ready for the new holiday 14 FEB 2008, NATIONAL KANGA DAY.

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 02:03

Agree with u 100% Cnglemom. All hell would have broken loose if Zuma had lost. I can imagine the chaos! But thats Thabo 4 u, he's not perfect but at least he's inteligent and civilized. As they say inXhosa 'Iskolo sinendima esiyidlalayo' loosly translated 'Education plays a role in the way in which a  person handles himself" 

God help us all.

Zee Babes!
19 Dec 2007 02:03

Quick, you`e said it all so well.... u-right "the people have spoken"

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 02:08

 All I can do now is hope that Zuma's supporters are intelligent and have valid reasons for their faith in the man. @ Renegade: I really wonder if they grasp the consequences of what they just did? I hope they really believe he's capable of being a leader. I hope they are not just following the charm. 

Just for the record I didnt want Thabo to get 3rd term, but anyone but Zuma nkosi yami!! 

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 02:14

"the people have spoken" mhhhh the people? let  me rather not say anything lest i sound like a hooligan.

Please help bloggers if u have a frend or family overseas can u plz send me a PM coz i'm curious about how the whole process of getting a job that side works. Any help will be appreciated. Oh and my desire to move overseas is NOT inspired by Zuma being elected ne, serious.

ziggi
19 Dec 2007 02:15

Why dont they just drop charges against him while they're at it???Because he's gonna walk free AGAIN!Im soooooo dissappointed  

Porche
19 Dec 2007 02:16

I am very sad about the results not that I wanted Tbose to rule again but Zuma is a big no-no for the country. Me need to drink to face the reality of these country. Ta Mbeki is way off ruling people who disrespect you.

edgards
19 Dec 2007 02:24

i'm not voting in 2009 finish and klaar,that is my political right just unless miracle happens........!
In south africa we have limited choice in terms of politics

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 02:28

U might just get your miracle edgards. Just read on another site where some1 said they hope Zuma drowns in the shower!! LOL that made my day!

Zee Babes!
19 Dec 2007 02:29

Miss K, the "people have spoken" means the delegates who were at the conference and voted for JZ - if the voting was democratic - dats the ppls voice, who were the reps....they were voting for a party leader and it was their duty as delegates. Sho.....rather not say much b 4 you sound like a hooligan....

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 02:39

I know who 'the people' refers to Zee and i'm glad i don't fall under that category coz i wouldn't wanna go down in history as 'the people' that put SA in disarray!

KeleFabulous
19 Dec 2007 02:40

can someone tell me what this kanga day is all about???

Tywala
19 Dec 2007 02:41

hehehe some people bayageza kodwa yini ngoku i NATIONAL KANGA DAY

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 02:49

Did you see Deborah Patta & Vuyo Mbuli's face at the announcement, they could not even hide their dissapointment. I dont have a problem with Tbose not being president for the 3rd term but my problem is that the masses think that the shower guy is a world class leader hayi khona bantu bakithi. I dont even think he's taken seriously globally and who in their right minds would sit down and listen to a guy who opens his mouth and utter absolute gibberish. Pls bloggers lets not turn this issue into a tribe war between Zulu & Xhosa, lets discuss it nje nagabantu abadala abanengqondo. I am not against the shower guy because he is Zulu but because of his ignorance and of being plain & simple. As Justice Malala mentioned last night they need to hold on to the Mbeki camp as it is has proved that it possesses people with ability to construct strategies & policies. On a lighter note (talking to the ladies) you know even with dating sometimes we'd rather go out with a ditzy for reason i cannot mention on this site and you dump your intelligent specs wearing nerdy guy remember in high school we always preferred badboys over nerds.So charisma and popularity matters sometimes so it showed last night.  And we know Tbose has no charisma or personality at all, I wonder how he managed as a young man trying to score ladies with that personality but the man is well built upstairs no doubt.

azHOT
19 Dec 2007 02:52

national kanga day?? really now peeps...

edgards
19 Dec 2007 02:57

And we know Tbose has no charisma or personality at all, I wonder how he managed as a young man trying to score ladies with that personality but the man is well built upstairs no doubt. 

those in the know will tell you that our president during  his time as youth at the university,he was a player of note.even now some will tell you that he got cakes from almost 60 percent of the women in the parliament. i stand to be corrected.

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 03:11

Thanks Edgards for enlighting me on my Tbose and his conquests so it must be oldage that's making him grumpy and non-charming. So clearly he does not hang out his dirtly linen openly to the public ( true player style).

realist
19 Dec 2007 03:12

It was not a win for JZ. It was a vote of no confidence in TM. TM must blame his own propaganda. He thought he was bigger that the ANC. 

Its clear that south africans prefer hooliganism; tribalism over intelligence. Mbeki supporters were so mature; calm and collected as always, i dont think it would have been the same should the results were the other way round. Just shows that the Mbeki camp is full of intellectuals and civilized people not to mention world class citizens.

But when they want somebody to vote for them, which masses do they appeal to? The very same poor communities and the hooligans. The very same poor communities and the hooligans what do they do? They vote the ANC in masses. So the same can be said the very same poor and the hooligans got rid of the elite. Why? because the elite forgot who put them into those positions.

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 03:13

Andi1 where are u girlfriend? why so quiet? i miss u

Quick
19 Dec 2007 03:17

But when they want somebody to vote for them, which masses do they appeal to? The very same poor communities and the hooligans. The very same poor communities and the hooligans what do they do? They vote the ANC in masses. So the same can be said the very same poor and the hooligans got rid of the elite. Why? because the elite forgot who put them into those positions.

I am loving it... people forget that they don't have power without the support of the masses. Realist, atleast you have a voice of reason.

azHOT
19 Dec 2007 03:33

It was not a win for JZ. It was a vote of no confidence in TM. TM must blame his own propaganda. He thought he was bigger that the ANC. 

i see it that way too. yes, there are those who genuinely want zuma but i think mostly people just wanted a change from TM and when no-one else rised to the occassion as a possible candidate and no-one else was further nominated zuma was the only alternative. there wasn't enough options...

lepogo
19 Dec 2007 03:41

I really didnt wanna join in on this farce,but hey,common sense demands it.

I am a professed Tbose supporter,but ddnt want him back for obvious reasons.The lesser is said abt JZ the better.The biggest problem currently in Polokwane Im told is that the delegates are deeply polarised,and that is not good news for the winners.Im told JZ is desperate to adress conference behind closed doors before he adresses the media.

I hate the term elitism,it forgets to describe who/what makes one an elitist,cos its not conduct,nor genes,rather they are propagated to their positions by the VERY masses.Wouldnt you say JZ is also part of the elite??

I assume the biggest thing guys in here must talk about is how to get a civil movement going in SA.

"Todays liberators are tommorows tyrants"

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 03:46

Well said Realist,but how sure are we that the hooligan wont forget his hooligans once he steps onto power and start where he left off with his unique ways of doing things.Yes he does appeal to the masses but that's not a guarantee that he will take care of their concerns and really what good do we know of this man. I still think that this is a recipe for disaster. See what democracy does.

realist
19 Dec 2007 04:00

 @ Cnglemother  
If he becomes aloof to the opinions at large, remember every five years there is a conference and he can be voted out. TM lost because he was backed by the so called Intellectuals and they were his propagasnda machines. The hooligans saw this and as they say the rest is history

lepogo
19 Dec 2007 04:21

@ realist,
You write intelligently,what is wrong with intellectuals?

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 04:31

Its quite clear that he is going to be the president so he really needs to work on improving a lot around him, the chanting of slogans at public gatherings is really not appealing at this day and age, the behaviour of his followers, especially the women ( to be specific, that woman who goes to his all his court appearance). He needs to control umshini wakhe, angavele uphunyuke nje like in the past, he has 5 wives  for crying out loud, he can never run out of cake. The vulgar language that his supporter use and hand gestures they use for grown men & women. Tbose supporters lets all embrace our  humiliating defeat and pray hard for this country coz the future is very bleak. Its sad that i cant even look at my future president's face on TV.

realist
19 Dec 2007 04:38

@ Lepogo
Nothing wrong with intellectuals. On the TM camp I will go with the following people: Joel, If the Zuma camp can sort out their differences he should be included in his administration. Problem with Joel is that he has written so many policies that are not in favour with Cosatu and the SACP.

 Phumzile, that woman is just good at what she does. Problem with her was that her husband tried to take Zuma to the cleaners because Bulelani was being suspected of being a spy. Therefore it was pay back time, problem is the plan backfired. 

Tatiana
19 Dec 2007 04:39

You know since the beginning of the conference, i so wished that the eections could just pass and life would get back to normal. I doubt whether I will ever know what NORMALITY is. Anyyway, yesterday after the anouncments, when Vuyo and the Political Analyst were doing a "post mortem", I was fascinated by Vuyo's body language. He had this "how could you people vote for Zuma" face. Disappointed to the core and couldn't at least try to hide it.

Rumours are making rounds that Trevor Manuel is relinquishing his position as the Minister of Finance. Check The Beeld of today – 19 Dec 2007. I was listening to the news this morning and this is what Hellen Zille had to say about Msholozi’s victory or appointment (whatever, you wanna call it) “ Jacob Zuma’s appointment is not only a tragedy for the ANC but for SA as a whole. If he is to be the next president of SA, ONLY God knows that this country is heading for disaster. He operates as an individual and has no clue what the strategies of the collective are. If the ANC could not  come up with a better leader than JZ, then they are in troble" (I am quoting what Ms God-ZILLE was saying. Please don’t shoot the messenger)


I have a bone to pick with the newly elected Deputy President. The one and only “The honourable Mr Kgalema Motlanthe”. Yesterday he is said something that left me so flabbergasted. He said that the journey to the succession race had absolutely nothing to do with the country and the ANC, but more about PERSONALITIES. Maybe I have my wires crossed. Hasn’t he been in it the whole time? He saw that the Mbeki/Zuma camps were dividing the ANC, but did nothing about it, and now he has the nerve to say that the interest of the masses were not taken into consideration. I mean, c'mon people!







realist
19 Dec 2007 04:43

Its quite clear that he is going to be the president so he really needs to work on improving a lot around him, the chanting of slogans at public gatherings is really not appealing at this day and age, the behaviour of his followers, especially the women ( to be specific, that woman who goes to his all his court appearance). He needs to control umshini wakhe, angavele uphunyuke nje like in the past, he has 5 wives for crying out loud, he can never run out of cake. The vulgar language that his supporter use and hand gestures they use for grown men & women. Tbose supporters lets all embrace our humiliating defeat and pray hard for this country coz the future is very bleak. Its sad that i cant even look at my future president's face on TV.

Amen
And I so hope the NEC makes clear to him that all of the above will not be tolerated at all and is not open for discussion.

andi01
19 Dec 2007 04:46

If the anc isnt capable of making decision within themselves, how will they be able to make proper decisons for the country. Who ever voted JZ for ANC president has killed the ANC, and Mbeki's tactics and hide and seek games are slowly but surely detroying this beautiful country of ours, for years blacks have been fighting, crying and demanding "izwe lethu", that the white folks took from us, I hope that "we" will sleep well at night knowing that we "loyally" gave it back to them. It took us years to get power and freedom, I wonder how long it will take for "us" to get it again.

andi01
19 Dec 2007 04:54

I say Helen Zille for president. We need a woman to knock some sense into those "stubborn men", I was disgusted at the women that celebrated and Zuma's win. Zuma is a man of his word, he said he will bring back the death penalty, if you look at it, his winning is a death penalty to SA citizens,

lepogo
19 Dec 2007 05:07

Mina all I have learnt since the beginning of the conference is that it could be very dangerous for leaders to be intelligent,and lack of brains is regarded as being 'humble'.

Thats my biggest gripe with these ppl who went to make far-reaching results involving my damned future.There seemed to be more on the 'taking out of ' instead of the' electing of'-and that in itself shows that we still have a long way to go in terms of policy based electioneering.

Therefore,maybe the poor will vote for the ANC again,cos th15ey 'identify' with him,but will remain poor.And that the likes of Joel had been sidelined for being merely intellectual...

Clearly we are heading for interesting times....

carino
19 Dec 2007 05:19

Come 2009, mna i'm voting for Evita Bezuidenhout....

realist
19 Dec 2007 05:19

@ Lepogo
Compare George Bush and TM regarding your statement: Mina all I have learnt since the beginning of the conference is that it could be very dangerous for leaders to be intelligent,and lack of brains is regarded as being 'humble'.
Which one fit the profile of your statement above?

Therefore,maybe the poor will vote for the ANC again,cos th15ey 'identify' with him,but will remain poor.
The reason they vote for the ANC is hope. These are the people that attend the rallies and based on that fact the elite use them for their personal gains. That includes JZ as well.

Zee Babes!
19 Dec 2007 05:23

"Zuma is a man of his word, he said he will bring back the death penalty, if you look at it, his winning is a death penalty to SA citizens" ha ha ha very funny

Zee Babes!
19 Dec 2007 05:23

Andi01 "Zuma is a man of his word, he said he will bring back the death penalty, if you look at it, his winning is a death penalty to SA citizens" ha ha ha very funny

Zee Babes!
19 Dec 2007 05:23

Andi01 "Zuma is a man of his word, he said he will bring back the death penalty, if you look at it, his winning is a death penalty to SA citizens" ha ha ha very funny

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 05:29

Tatiana you noticed uVuyo, you should have seen uDeborah Patta, her long face went emotionless and she could not sit still shame. I also noticed a ringer on her finger wow you go iron lady. Andi01 i dont know what to say ngo makhulu uHelen Zille, she's such a drama queen maybe uTony Leon.

carino
19 Dec 2007 05:35

@Tshepiso our Health minister should now think of a new protection for dikuku tsa rona, even if a master lock should be created because re mo kotsing! 

ga o ke o felelwa, tlhe

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 05:38

way to go Carino, i think i'll join u.

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 05:46

I admit i'm not doing much work today i'm jumping from site to site trying to get the views of mostly young adults on this ANC issue. I wonder if they thought of the votes that they will loose come 2009 if the shower man (as Cnglemom calls him) runs for presidency? But then again maybe they are confident and counting on the votes of  'the masses', the intellectuals are afterall the minority in this case.

Miss K
19 Dec 2007 05:49

By the way Zee, realist, Cnglemom, andi, and everyone on this blog thanks for debating this like adults and not resorting to name calling and childish tactics to make a point. I reall enjoyed reading your views. 

carino
19 Dec 2007 05:54

@Tshepiso our Health minister should now think of a new protection for dikuku tsa rona, even if a master lock should be created because re mo kotsing! 

ga o ke o felelwa, tlhe

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 06:02

Thank you Miss K for the compliment, It was interesting indeed.

Toodecent
19 Dec 2007 06:09

@Tshepiso our Health minister should now think of a new protection for dikuku tsa rona, even if a master lock should be created because re mo kotsing! >>>> I have to say I agree with you here. All men will now have acess to dikuku, shower and babyoil for free. Nna am thinking of relocating to Botswana or Australia for 2009 on a serious note.

Mathaz
19 Dec 2007 06:09

My house is deurmekaar, i don't even know where the TV is.  I did not watch the whole sherade, I just received a call from my sister announcing the winner.  I felt so much pain and I thought of what Mbeki must be feeling.  i even had a strange dream, I dreamnt that I was somewhere in an unfamiliar place and i was wearing a kanga then this fat guy came to chastise me and he told me that women are not supposed to wear like that.  It felt so real.

realist
19 Dec 2007 06:17

Thank you Miss K for the compliment, It was interesting indeed.
To borrow you sentence Cnglemother

Tshd21
19 Dec 2007 06:29

@Tshepiso our Health minister should now think of a new protection for dikuku tsa rona, even if a master lock should be created because re mo kotsing!... Lol

And what a perfect combination too. Their solutions to AIDS? Out of this world!beetroot, cabbage, prevention is taking a shower, and no care whatsoever about sleeping, WITHOUT PROTECTION need I mention, with an HIV positive woman! Gaad have mercy shame....

And I have no idea where to begin ka crime...

we really are heading for interesting times wena Lepogo. Just trying to think of ways in which JZ is going to combat crime and AIDS......Scary thought!

carino
19 Dec 2007 06:32

You right Miss K, i even thought im in the wrong place. I've just been reading and not commening coz, i'm a bit blonde when it comes to politics.

iworse there are two different articles talking about the same thing. And batho ba teng le bona are just a bit too serious. Ba re tswalla ko kontle, slegggg.......

carino
19 Dec 2007 06:44

Moving on to something else....

Did you know that i've been trying to audio-stream to Motsweding FM for the past three days and it says there are too many people trying to connect, so i cant get through???? Do they really have that many listeners?

Toodecent
19 Dec 2007 06:55

Carino check... the other article for my response.. I gotta go now. Bye Family...Intenet Cafee time is over.

Cnglemother
19 Dec 2007 07:41

Realist pls update yr profile with a bit of info its blank dude.

Brown Shuga
19 Dec 2007 13:14

<<<I mean honestly, grown men who have to be called to order so much>> Hayi shame, that woman seemed to be enjoying that "comrades, comrades" she was making....I got more irritated with her than with the comrades themselves!

<<The people have spoken>> 'don't know if John Pearlman was reading an email from a listener but I heard him say something about "The people have spoken but they've spoken nonsense" I was LMAO @ that!

<<<It was not a win for JZ. It was a vote of no confidence in TM. TM must blame his own propaganda. He thought he was bigger that the ANC.

....But when they want somebody to vote for them, which masses do they appeal to? The very same poor communities and the hooligans. The very same poor communities and the hooligans what do they do? They vote the ANC in masses. So the same can be said the very same poor and the hooligans got rid of the elite. Why? because the elite forgot who put them into those positions.>>>
Agreed!!!

This sums up my thoughts on this matter: It was more a rejection of Mbeki than a vote for Zuma! Tbose left us no choice!!! 

It's not the end of the world people, calm down. He was elected President of the ANC, not South Africa, you can leave the ANC if you are an unhappy member but a lot can happen between now and 2009, let's not jump to conclusions, JZ is President of the ANC, not South Africa so no need to panic....YET!

eish-bo
19 Dec 2007 17:44

I am just glad the people have spoken - JZ is the ANC President ...if people had not wanted change they would have voted for Mbeki. It was a landslide victory for JZ.
 Mbeki's attempt to stay as ANC President is pure greed...he had ten years to implement policies but they wasted time in discussions.

MSOE:1. MOST PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR ZUMA BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED TO NOT MAKE A XHOSA (FOR THE 3RD TIME) PRESIDENT.
2. SOME OF THEM VOTE FOR ZUMA BECAUSE HIS FRIEND, NEIGHBOUR AND EVERYONE IS VOTING FOR ZUMA NOT BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS THE CONSEQUENCES OF VOTING FOR THE MAN.
3. HE IS IN THE PAPERS MOST OFTEN THAN WHY NOT VOTE FOR HIM?

I WILL TELL YOU THIS, MOST KZN PEOPLE ARE VOTING FOR ZUMA BECAUSE HE IS ZULU, AND FOR NO OTHER REASON.

You blow your horn that you are a journalist and you come with half baked stories/facts. I am flabbagasted by your comment - you portray IsiZulu speakers from KZN as if they do not have minds of their own. Those are not facts, it's your views, i am insulted as umuntu waseKZN. Go back to your books before you make such statements that are demeaning to people.

While leaving in a country that is badly affected by the HIV/Aids pandemic and have a president that claims that HIV/Aids are not related. and also that he has never seen anyone with HIV while his spokesman died of the disease! He then erects a R90 million security fence in his plush home, does anyone make noise about that no! This is politics ...
It did not make Bill Clinton less of a favourite after the Monica Lewinsky saga so why crucify Zuma who was equitted in the court of law for the rape charges...people need to stop ukuziqulekisa ...

KeleFabulous
20 Dec 2007 00:51

regardless of who won, i think the ANC has lost alot of voters come next election...if people out there are as liberated with their thinking as u guys i believe this is a major blow to the ANC...they may still win the next election but i think people will give the point across by their votes that they're not impressed...to me unless some really major changes within the ANC camp this will mark the beginning of the end for the power the ANC holds in this country, it's just a matter of when.

Zee Babes!
20 Dec 2007 01:49

Brown Shuga - It's not the end of the world people, calm down. He was elected President of the ANC, not South Africa, you can leave the ANC if you are an unhappy member but a lot can happen between now and 2009, let's not jump to conclusions, JZ is President of the ANC, not South Africa so no need to panic....YET! 

I agree with you, i also dont understand what the panic and relocating to the UK is all about, I think some dont understand the difference b-twin the govt and the ANC.  

KeleFabulous - I wouldnt bet on ANC losing votes if I were u, cos like Brown Shuga said -  a lot can still happen and I dont think that with so much that the party as a collective has done for the country it can be washed away by an appointment of a single individual, whom the members of that party chose democratically -

Ppl i PERSONALLY think that we should have faith in an organisation and not specific persons, and i think its for the same reason that T-bose lost.... members of the party dont have faith in a person but in an organisation as a whole.

Cnglemother
20 Dec 2007 02:23

Eish-bo pls dont compare usika-lekhekhe noma intombazana ayifuni no Clinton. They are not on the same league at all.Ungalenzi lelo phutha sisi/bhuti wam. uMonica zange afreeze kuClinton, instead she bragged.

Brown Shuga
20 Dec 2007 04:24

Loving Mbalula!

News24 Article:  http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/Politics/0,,2-7-12_2241333,00.html


'Are you mockering me?' 
19/12/2007 21:43 - (SA) Johannesburg - 

ANC Youth League leader Fikile Mbalula is seldom at a loss for words, and on Wednesday he strung them together with cheerful disregard for the conventions of the English language.
Speaking to journalists at the ANC's policy conference in Polokwane, he labelled himself "spokesperson and chief campaigner lobbyist of the youth league".
As he got going with "all the lies and the rabble arousing (sic) has come to a point of reality", some head scratching was understandable.
"You are mockering around a political position," he said later.
The gobbledegook did not stop there.
"Corruption must be dealt with including in terms of its manifestation," Mbalula said. 

Having previously referred to Finance Minister Trevor Manuel as a "drama queen", he took the opportunity to take a dig a Deputy Defence Minister Mluleki George.
George told a group of Mbeki supporters on Monday "at the moment, comrades, we are on top of them (ANC president Jacob Zuma's camp)".
Mbalula compared George to "comical Ali" - former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein's spin doctor Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf.
Al-Sahif was the man who insisted Iraq was winning the second Gulf War while the Americans were advancing on Baghdad and the city was crumbling around him. 

In keeping with war metaphors, Mbalula compared the road to Zuma's triumph at the conference to the bloody street battles fought between the Germans and the Russians in Leningrad at the close of World War II, in the winter of 1945.
"We will deal with them street by street," he said, quoting a Russian general.
The first victory, said Mbalula, had been the triumph of manual over electronic vote counting. "We did not want a computer thing."
Next came the bombardment of ANC chairperson Mosiuoa Lekota with points of order. This was followed by the rejection of gender parity for the ANC's top six positions. 

"It was a campaigning strategy, not an issue of principle," he said.
Finally, added Mbalula with unwavering glee, came Zuma's election as ANC president.

Mathaz
20 Dec 2007 04:32

Wanted: A job, any job

Mandy Rossouw | Polokwane, South Africa



20 December 2007 08:16

In the aftermath of Tuesday’s top six election, several senior Cabinet ministers and their aides are now getting their CVs together and are suddenly looking forward to the Mail & Guardian jobs section on Friday -- they realise their future in a Zuma government and ANC is not looking very bright.

First on the list is, of course, Defence Minister Mosiuoa Lekota, who was Zuma’s most outspoken critic. Even after being reprimanded by other senior party members, Lekota still could not resist the temptation to accuse Zuma of lying and having corrupt moral values.

And his shenanigans with Provincial and Local Government Minister Sydney Mufamadi -- they allegedly went around dishing out cash and jobs to ANC delegates in exchange for votes -- will not endear either of them to the Zuma crowd.

The Pahad brothers, who have been enjoying the cosy life of single malts since day one of the Mbeki presidency, will also now have to look for greener pastures because others will occupy the leather couches at Mahlamba Ndlovu.

Minister in the Presidency Essop Pahad will probably not be asked to stay on in his position. His brother, Aziz, will at least be able to use his oratory skills honed at the weekly media briefings to get a lecturer position in international relations, surely?

Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, the driver of government’s skills and job creation strategy, will now get hands-on experience of what it is like to be a job seeker. Fortunately her husband, Bulelani Ngcuka, who left the public service three years ago, could set her up for a job in the private sector.

Foreign Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma was offered the position of national chairperson in the Zuma camp’s top six -- an offer she rejected. As she contemplates her choices during her last official overseas trips in the coming months, she could very well be regretting that move.

Things are not looking good for the Fraser-Moleketi family as a whole: Geraldine (Public Service and Administration) will now be wishing she gave in to the workers during the big public service strike. An extra couple of million rand from her budget, a warmer smile, or just a more reconciliatory tone when she spoke to them might have spared her the humiliation of now preparing her CV.

Husband Jabu Moleketi (Deputy Minister of Finance), on the other hand, forgot about his socialist roots and took the capitalist road to hopefully succeed Minister of Finance Trevor Manuel. Now that door seems to have closed.

Another family who will be in trouble is the Nqakulas, with both Minister of Safety and Security Charles, and Home Affairs Minister Nosiviwe being strong and outspoken Mbeki supporters.

One government minister who managed to buy herself some time is Brigitte Mabandla, who has not yet approved the charging of either police National Commissioner Jackie Selebi or the new ANC president.

The list continues with ANC head of presidency, Smuts Ngonyama, who was in charge of communications for the party as well, probably collecting boxes already to pack up his office. His sidekick, former SABC journalist Tiyani Rikhotso, is also not holding his breath for an extension of his contract.

Minister of Intelligence Ronnie Kasrils, who also nailed his colours to the Mbeki mast, knows his treatment of former spy boss Billy Masetlha will now come back to haunt him.

And last, but not least, almost all the provincial premiers will have to start packing up and getting ready to leave their fancy mansions. Most don’t have job security, given they are either outspoken Mbeki supporters — such as Limpopo Premier Sello Moloto, Kwazulu-Natal Premier S’bu Ndebele and Western Cape P

Miss K
20 Dec 2007 04:36

Yessses this boy (Fikile) makes me naar yazi. He doesnt think before opening that big mouth of his.

Brown Shuga
20 Dec 2007 04:55

I feel you Miss K...

As for Terror Lekota, I don't know what has become of him, he's really lost it...

Zee Babes!
20 Dec 2007 05:00

Nice one Mathaz...:)

Zee Babes!
20 Dec 2007 05:05

Brown Shukela....Terror likes authority - he must try the taxi industry and specialise in Queue Marshalling.  I feel sorry for all these clowns, afta such a circus.... Agh politics, I over heard some1 saying Tbose is going to be an MEC for Agriculture somewhere....Bakithi uThabo.

Brown Shuga
20 Dec 2007 05:15

<<<Agh politics, I over heard some1 saying Tbose is going to be an MEC for Agriculture somewhere>>> Nah, it doesn't sound like it involves lots of overseas travelling so I doubt he'd go for it....

realist
20 Dec 2007 05:20

@ Mathaz  
And his shenanigans with Provincial and Local Government Minister Sydney Mufamadi 
Will not be missed. Look at the plight of Khutsong community. He did nothing to help.

First on the list is, of course, Defence Minister Mosiuoa Lekota, who was Zuma’s most outspoken critic. Even after being reprimanded by other senior party members, Lekota still could not resist the temptation to accuse Zuma of lying and having corrupt moral values. 
Let me get back to you on this one. His defeat was based on  emotions.

The Pahad brothers
The deputy foreign affairs minister should be in the NEC. Essop Pahad will not be missed. That guy was a yes man to TM. 

Deputy President Phumzile Mlambo-Ngcuka, the driver of government’s skills and job creation strategy,
I will surely miss this woman. For me she is the best when it comes to getting things done. That is if the JZ camp do not nominate her into the NEC

Foreign Affairs Minister Nkosazana Dlamini-Zuma was offered the position of national chairperson in the Zuma camp’s top six -- an offer she rejected.
Let me get my thoughts around this one and will revert once I am clear.

Things are not looking good for the Fraser-Moleketi family as a whole:
Fraser I will not miss. I do not see that portfolio that she is holding as importantat. Infact they should scrap that portfolio completely. Each department of the public servant should fall under the delegated portfolio of the ministers appointed. I do not whether I am making sense on this one.

Jabu moleketi must be kept. He was appointed to that porfolio as a succession to Trevor Manuel.

Another family who will be in trouble is the Nqakulas, with both Minister of Safety and Security Charles, and Home Affairs Minister Nosiviwe being strong and outspoken Mbeki supporters.
Need I say more. Just look at the mess of their departments.

Minister of Intelligence Ronnie Kasrils, who also nailed his colours to the Mbeki mast, knows his treatment of former spy boss Billy Masetlha will now come back to haunt him. 
He is definately out.

One government minister who managed to buy herself some time is Brigitte Mabandla
I have not seen the value that she providing to her department and therefore reserve judgement.

And last, but not least, almost all the provincial premiers
This one in my opinion they are all out.

Minister of transport, Jeff Radebe may survive. He did not ruffle any fearthers in a wrong way. His portfolio in my opinion is under performing.

Minister of trade and industry, Alec Erwin will definately be out. He was the one who suggested that TM should go for the third term automatically at the NEC meeting. Only Mathews Phosa diagreed with that motion and said that the branches are the ones that should decide.

Thoko Didiza should remain, she is definately as hard worker.

Zee Babes!
20 Dec 2007 05:20

Yu know i feel sorry for that Miranda chick..... shame poor thing, she 2 shud start looking for anada job not unless she is willing to parade in a kanga and see JZ`s machine gun - maybe...she might keep her job.

lepogo
20 Dec 2007 05:24

@zee babes,eish boo,et al,
Ive doing my best to avoid your comments for a while,temptation has become too great for me to ignore..

Now that JZ and his ilk has won,isnt it about time we leave him alone.Take it from me,a Tswana,now that Zulus have won,can the rest of us get back to any semblence of normalcy??

It was never,EVER,gonna be possible for JZ to win without such innane comments being bandied around,which at worse describes the extent of division.The other factor is that this has been over-analysed and commented on.

I find it interesting that ppl expected Terror to keep quiet and let the likes of Vavi et al,to make noise.Tbose kept quiet,didnt campaign yet ppl thought he wanted to hang on.

I bet we gonna have more drivel directed at us by the likes of Vavi,Zee Babes,Mbalula and Blade .Pity one cant always flip channels..

And,Zee,you are in great company...

Mathaz
20 Dec 2007 05:40

Guys the response that I posted is not mine.  I got it from Mail & Guardian.

realist
20 Dec 2007 05:42

Yu know i feel sorry for that Miranda chick..... shame poor thing, she 2 shud start looking for anada job not unless she is willing to parade in a kanga and see JZ`s machine gun - maybe...she might keep her job. 

LOL. What about Snuki and Dali Mpofu?

realist
20 Dec 2007 05:48

Yu know i feel sorry for that Miranda chick..... shame poor thing, she 2 shud start looking for anada job not unless she is willing to parade in a kanga and see JZ`s machine gun - maybe...she might keep her job. 

LOL. What about Snuki and Dali Mpofu?

realist
20 Dec 2007 05:54

I find it interesting that ppl expected Terror to keep quiet and let the likes of Vavi et al,to make noise.Tbose kept quiet,didnt campaign yet ppl thought he wanted to hang on.

Agreed. To me it was robust debate. Problem I have though was, they attacked the man and not the issues.

lepogo
20 Dec 2007 06:11

@realist,
The weirdest thing for me in all of this was Tbose' silence.That everyone had the guts to say their feelings towards him,villified and played him,very hard,he kept a stoic silence.

And thats the only thing that impressed me with him.Therefore,did he enter the elections prepared?Or was he pushed to stand against JZ?I dont think Mbeki,as evidenced in the Mafikeng conference,would have ever taken such a risk??I am beginning to doubt this whole charade of the ANC.

And this shall be my very last comment on the ANC issue,it is exhausted and saturated...

witty lady
20 Dec 2007 06:13

ssoooooo TIRED!!

Miss K
20 Dec 2007 06:16

I bet we gonna have more drivel directed at us by the likes of Vavi,Zee Babes,Mbalula and Blade .Pity one cant always flip channels.. ....thank goodness for DSTv!

Tshd21
20 Dec 2007 06:19

Join the club Miss K!!! Everyone is gone home, the workplace is quiet, I think my e-mail is not working - haven't had one in a whiiiiiiiiiile! Lol...

How u blogas doing? Eish...

Zee Babes!
20 Dec 2007 06:22

@lepogo - thanx for your insights - my God you are extreme... Oh by the way i aint Zulu, glad to know how Tswana`s are taking the victory - let me spell it out for you one last tym since the issue is "exhausted and saturated"  Its not about the Zulu`s and Xhosa, for anyone to think this is about ethnicity leave much to be disired about their thinking levels.

Floh
20 Dec 2007 06:23


Anyone who knows the song that the Zuma camp was singing when Mlambo Ngcuka was on stage, pls share?

Miss K
20 Dec 2007 06:24

Hey Tshd its quite in here today, i guess most people are on holiday already. Lucky bustards :-) and here we are slaving away nge festive. Sies!

Tshd21
20 Dec 2007 06:26

OOOPS....meant join the club wena  Witty Lady!!! not Miss K, ga ke na DSTV! Lol

Brown Shuga
20 Dec 2007 06:31

<<<I find it interesting that ppl expected Terror to keep quiet and let the likes of Vavi et al,to make noise.>>> 
My reference to Terror Lekota was based on the "manner" in which he was addressing the comrades & events that took place at the conference.
He seemed like he was irritated with the Zuma crowd and there was a news clip they showed of him telling the Zuma supporters  "You can sing and shout but please man, can't you do it in a more respectable manner? Nxx" Okay, not 100% his words but he was saying something like that and it seemed bitter and this was even before the results were made....shame...

I was living in the Free State when he was premier (sp) and I used to adore him...he's changed since then.

lepogo
20 Dec 2007 06:32

@Floh,
The song goes like: Ngcuka awu Phendule wenu lahla,awusitjele ukuthi uZuma wenzeni? excuse the spelling

@Zee Babes,
I do not represent tswanas,and the levels of my extremes is influenced by the diatrabe you posted earlier,and,yes,you were an inspiration,hence the level of thinking.....

And,oh,the last time i checked i knew how to spell,cos thats not how to spell desired,or time.

Thought you should know.

Brown Shuga
20 Dec 2007 06:34

Heheheh Floh, ufuna amalyrics? hahahaha mina shame I love i-key ka Mshini Wam...it's so damn catchy!!!

Tshd21
20 Dec 2007 06:34

Hi -hi-hi   I feel you Miss K... But you should also see the smile on my face gal...IT IS MY LAST DAY! Thank Gaaaaaaad! 

Will u be working throughout di festive?

witty lady
20 Dec 2007 06:36

LOL! @Tshd21!!
Le nna ha kena yone soo... eeish, re bothateng, ka taba ena. tjessess

Miss K
20 Dec 2007 06:37

lepogo and zee play nice now asseblief :-)

Tshd21
20 Dec 2007 06:39

Hi Shugs and Lepogo and Flo!!! 

I am so bored and tired that politics is the last thing on my mind,  even though I am on this blog. Keep posting...the least I can do is read... :)

lepogo
20 Dec 2007 06:39

@ Brown Sugar,
I rememba the time,then he was unwanted by the Cabinet,thats why he was thrown to the backwaters of the country..

And his rise to the Chairpersonship was greatly unappreciated cos he was standing against Steve Tshwete.

However,even the calmest person I ever met,Brigalia,her voice was shaking,Sally too.And one of the delegates argued on Sunday that he was intimidated.

For me the chickens were coming to roast for him,howbeit 8+ years later...

Zee Babes!
20 Dec 2007 06:40

@lepogo = you are so emotional.....dont take it personal, you could get hurt.  Oh tx for the corrections = much appreciated..

Miss K
20 Dec 2007 06:44

Now u also leaving me Tshd21? Ok be like that ne andidlali nawe mna. I'll be working till the 28th of Dec (bloody hell!) then go home to PE. 

@Shugs....i know what u mean gal i found myself singing 'Mshini wam, mshini wam' in the shower this morning and i'm like WTF!! Do u guys know u can even find lyrics of Mshini when u google them? Strue bob!

Zee Babes!
20 Dec 2007 06:46

@ Miss K.  Will do Miss K, Y/day we were blogging abt the same topic and there was no name calling - but lepogo is different story al 2gether.  Maybe he is the "wounded with coalition".

lepogo
20 Dec 2007 06:47

@Zee Babes,
I tought we were going to keep everyone who is still around entertained!!!!

Anyway,emotions are natural,besides,we heal after a while...And the corrections,no man,I know you know how to spell,I mean,correction is such a long word,and I normally not sure where to place the double consonants!!!

Tshd21
20 Dec 2007 06:48

Zee Babes: @lepogo = you are so emotional.... Hi-hi-hi-hi-hi

Miss K: Tomorow this time I'll be home ko Kurara, Northern Cape! But di 28 is not that far! Lol! I promise to ask God to bring it sooner sana!!!

Zee Babes!
20 Dec 2007 06:52

@lepogo - Oh my GAD, "conso**** what!   Lepogo I am quitting this it is not assisting me.  Have a great day!

Miss K
20 Dec 2007 06:56

@Tshd21: I just wish I could hibernate till the 28th! Its the first time i hear about a place called Kurara, is it the same as Koroeman or something? But ke i've never been to the Northen Cape so ningahleki ne.

Brown Shuga
20 Dec 2007 06:59

Miss K, uthini? I can google the lyrics??? Hehehehe let me go and see...

Brown Shuga
20 Dec 2007 07:01

Hayi Tshidi, is that a nickname for Kuruman?

Baby-A
20 Dec 2007 07:02

Did you know that this Limpopo article is now reaching 400 replies and it's fulfilled "the TVSA dream" - no rude comments - no name calling - only responsible and sensible bloggers??

You know why? DIKOLO DI TSWETSWE. 

@Tshdi21Tomorow this time I'll be home ko Kurara, ngwana, le nna tomoro this time ke tla be ke le ko Huhudi...

Tshd21
20 Dec 2007 07:10

Hai wena Baby-A..phela Ke ya Vryburg...then Kurara...Didin't know gore le wena o ngwana wa ko gae!!! Lol......
You know why? DIKOLO DI TSWETSWE. ... u r so right! Lol

@ Brown Shuga  & Miss K....Yes you guys. Kurara is short for Kuruman!

Miss K
20 Dec 2007 07:12

You know why? DIKOLO DI TSWETSWE. 1000% agree with u there baby-A. 

Eish guys i'm a bit embarred to say this but i need to learn another African language yazi. Ndithetha isiXhosa qha and some street Zulu. Not good at all. 
Maybe i shud make it one of my resolutions for 2008.

Miss K
20 Dec 2007 07:15

uhhh he eh i can't even spell 'Embarrassed'

Gucci
20 Dec 2007 07:24

Such civil thoughts. I printed this and am still running through it. I have come to realise that blogging is not only fun, it is realy educative.

Thanks to y'all for ur thoughts.I can now also engage to such topics estradini and become world class. My father never takes me seriously though when it comes to Politics but after this, he will be on My side.

Thanks to all of you!!

Cnglemother
20 Dec 2007 08:50

I feel u miss K kulendawo yelanguage, nam i get lost when the tswana gals unleash their mother tongue, and i end up logging out as i cant understand ish but its my ignorance have been in Joburg for 10 years did my high school apha but andazi nix.

Tshd21
20 Dec 2007 08:55

@ Cnglemother: the tswana gals...... Hi-hi-hi-hi

carino
20 Dec 2007 09:01

haai ke nyani Cngemother, ndibetere kunawe, ndine 4years qha, nhlala eKapa, kodwa isiXhosa sam uyasiva nawe ukuba sicacile. ndikwazi nokusibala and funda these days, iiaccent qha, into eyindisokolisayo. but come next year this time, ndizabendingumxhosa, xho!!

Tshd21
20 Dec 2007 09:06

Thatha Carino u Tswana gal!!!

carino
20 Dec 2007 09:11

It's funny that thina "tswana gals" we make every effort to be "south african", sifunde ilanguages zabanye abantu, when i speak tswana, here, guys, bear with me. its the only moment i get, that's why keya sho shotlhe. 

Anyway, i'm listening to the Zuma speech now, on Motsweding (on the internet). I'm still lost....

carino
20 Dec 2007 09:15

uzenzile nyani, Cnglemother, tenejara?????????????

carino
20 Dec 2007 09:22

Bhabayini bethunana.... ndiyahamba mna ngoku apha.

Everyone have  a great festive season...... 



Till 2008, 

((((((((((((((((((((CARINLUVINLAHV))))))))))))))))))))))









Mshini, wam.... mshini wam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brown Shuga
21 Dec 2007 01:21

ANC national executive committee
21/12/2007 07:53 - (SA)
Johannesburg - An emotionally-charged ANC national conference ended on Thursday with the announcement that Winnie Madikizela-Mandela got the most votes for the new National Executive Committee, to be headed by Jacob Zuma.

ANC national executive committee:

1. MANDELA, Winnie 2845

2. RADEBE, Jeff 2716

3. SKWEYIYA, Zola 2700

4. JORDAN, Pallo 2645

5. CRONIN, Jeremy 2519

6. DUARTE, Jessie 2448

7. SISULU, Lindiwe 2384

8. MTHEMBI-MAHANYELE, Sankie 2291

9. MABANDLA, Brigitte 2235

10. SEXWALE, Tokyo 2198

11. NZIMANDE, Blade 2157

12. STOFILE, Makhenkesi 2151

13. GIGABA, Malusi 2144

14. MAGASHULE, Ace 2121

15. MBALULA, Fikile 2116

16. MOOSA, Valli 2110

17. POTGIETER-GQUBULE, Febe 2091

18. CHABANE, Collins 2043

19. SISULU, Max 2041

20. RAMATLHODI, Ngoako 2034

21. YENGENI, Tony 2032

22. NYANDA, Siphiwe 2005

23. HANEKOM, Derek 1996

24. MKHIZE, Zweli 1976

25. EBRAHIM, Ebrahim 1964

26. CELE, Bheki 1950

27. MFEKETO, Nomaindia 1943

28. MASETLHA, Billy 1937

29. DLAMINI, Bathabile 1933

30. RAMAPHOSA, Cyril 1910

31. YENGENI, Lumka 1907

32. MOTSHEKGA, Angie 1906

33. MADLALA-ROUTLEDGE, Nozizwe 1905

34. GODONGWANA, Enoch 1891

35. DLAMINI ZUMA, Nkosazana 1885

36. SHABANGU, Susan 1775

37. MOKONYANE, Nomvula 1756

38. PULE, Dina 1730

39. BHENGU, Ruth 1729

40. PHAAHLA, Joe 1726

41. BOOI, Nyami 1709

42. MABUDAFHASI, Joyce 1698

43. ZULU, Lindiwe 1682

44. TOBIAS, Thandi 1675

45. LOVE, Janet 1670

46. SHOPE-MAFOLE, Lyndall 1642

47. DLODLO, Ayanda 1641

48. MTHETHWA, Nathi 1629

49. BROWN, Lynne 1623

50. KONDLO, Ncumisa 1619

51. MTINTSO, Thenjiwe 1616

52. XASA, Fikile 1615

53. MOTSHEKGA, Mathole 1613

54. VAN DER MERWE, Sue 1593

55. TSHABALALA-MSIMANG, Manto 1591

56. MOTSOALEDI, Aaron 1591

57. MANUEL, Trevor 1590

58. MTHEMBU, Jackson 1590

59. TOLASHE, Sisisi 1574

60. MABUZA, David 1572

61. SHICEKA, Sicelo 1532

62. CAPA LANGA, Zoleka 1506

63. MASHAMBA, Joyce 1497

64. MANANA, Sibongile 1496

65. JENKINS, Hazel 1496

66. MUFAMADI, Thaba 1496

67. LOBE, Charlotte 1494

68. MAPISA-NQAKULA, Nosiviwe 1490

69. MASUALLE, Phumulo 1484

70. MOLOI-MOROPA, Joyce 1470

71. MORULE, Playfair 1468

72. DUMA, Ndleleni 1447

73. NETSHITENZHE, Joel 1437

74. PANDOR, Naledi 1431

75. NDEBELE, Sibusiso 1427

76. MAGADZI, Dikeledi 1424

77. NTWANAMBI, Nosipho 1403

78. JOEMAT-PETTERSON, Tina 1369

79. MAYENDE-SIBIYA, Noluthando 1345

80. NKOANA-MASHABANE, Maite 1337

Source: News24.com

babyjoe
21 Dec 2007 01:34

Its a shame, i guess there is nothing the other people can do. 
I sorry for the people who supported Mbeki cos their names are written in white ink while Zuma's people's are written in black. I guess it means sometimes u have to keep quiet about certain things if u want to succeed in life.

Mathaz
21 Dec 2007 02:36

They should have at least tried to also include about 5 of Mbeki's people but at the end of the day when you are a leader you must surround yourself with people of the same calibre.  Not necessarily "yes sir" people but the ones you know will always have your back.  Shaick will peobabbly be pardoned sometime in 2010, he might even make it to the opening of the world cup.

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