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The Devil In Pastor's Clothing

Written by Tashi from the blog Tashi's TV on 24 Oct 2005
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ernest_angleyNever did I think that anyone could make Ray McCauley look like an angel - but it's happened, because Ernest Angley is way more terrifying than McCauley could ever hope to be.

I had absolutely no idea that such a thing was masquerading as a person on our TV screens until I spotted him in the early hours of Saturday morning while channel hopping. I ended up nearly having a heart attack.

The show's called Ernest Angley Ministries. It's on eTV between 00h00 and 02h00 on Saturday morning and it's the most hectic thing ever. The man has to be the devil - not only because of the *bleep!* he delivers to get people to send him money but also because he's seriously undermining Aids education.

This is what freaked me out with an intensity that makes me wish I could actually just see you directly, because I can't write fast enough to express how I felt when I saw what he's up to!

When I started watching the show had been on for a while. There were four people on the stage singing and a huge audience of people singing along. The billboards on the stage had the name Ernest Angley Ministeries and something along the lines of "USA-Africa".

Because I didn't see the full show I'm not sure which African country it was all happening in - I think it could have been either Swaziland or Tanzania.

Whatever the case it was clear that he's using the Aids pandemic to make as much money as possible, promising people that they and their entire families can be healed of Aids through him.

And now I can kick myself because a little while ago I remember seeing something about a controversial minister going to Namibia and I see Angley's been there too - I'm thinking it has to be him.

I honestly don't know how any country can allow him in - let alone allow him to preach, let alone allow him on TV - because what he's doing is just so wrong. I mean, it's so wrong the only way to remain sane just thinking about it is to laugh hysterically.

This is exactly what I did - especially when it got the end of the show with him in a studio and he thrust his hand forward and said:

"Neighbour, it's time for you to come to the television screen if you can get there. If not just tip your hand toward heaven, because I'm going to pray for you who have death diseases - you who have Aids, Aids virus, untold thousands have been healed through this Jesus ministry.

"The Lord taught me this - medical science hasn't found the cure - but in the meantime God's healing Aids, Aids virus, going and coming, healing whole families and the God of miracles lives and the Lord loves you and nobody's ever loved you like Jesus loves you. Nobody's ever cared for you like Jesus cares.

"Lord I bring those people with death diseases with Aids, Aids virus, cancer, sugar diabetes, heart trouble, leprosy, lung trouble, matters not with you - heal!! - "

This is the point at which I nearly had the heart attack, because it was the most gobsmacking thing ever. It's impossible to explain the full extent of the horror when he said "heal", but trust me when I tell you that it's exactly the way I imagine the devil would be if he existed.

The only thing to top it was right at the very end when he finished by saying:

"Write to me: Ernest Angley, Akron, Ohio 44309 USA. Remember now - send in that offering (mumbo jumbo I can't work out) and let God bless you and he will do it - he will - he promised and he keeps his promises."

Can you believe the audacity?! All this coming after the way he'd just been manipulating thousands was altogether too much to cope with.

As I said, when I tuned in there were loads of people - everyone in the audience was singing, they stopped and then he started preaching with an interpreter by his side.

He looked out into the audience and said things like:

"There is a grandmother here - you have lost three people with Aids, haven't you? You have two grandchildren that you're helping to raise. When you came tonight you brought them in your heart - they both had Aids - they have now been cleansed says the Lord. No more Aids."

The thing is - there was no grandmother anywhere, because unlike the movie Leap Of Faith - where they actually called people up onto stage - he just looked out into the audience in a vague general sort of direction and didn't speak directly to anyone.

It took me a few minutes to work out what he was up to because I couldn't understand what was going on when he first started. I thought he really was focusing on someone and I was finished when I realised that he was just using big broad strokes, describing stereotypes of people in the audience as he expected them to be.

How can such a thing be allowed?! I mean, there wouldn't be thousands of people at his rallies if they didn't believe him, which means there are people who believe that Aids can be cured through him and that sending him money is a wise thing to do.

How can he be allowed to undermine the Aids message in this way? I just don't understand how he can't be arrested for it and I sooo wish Michael Moore would do a job on that face of his because I reckon it would tell the story absolutely as it is.

I've been browsing the Ernest Angley Ministeries website and these are the first words that greet you as you arrive:

"Time is running out; Jesus is coming soon. If you are not a partner in this Jesus World Outreach, become one today and send in your financial help each month."

From there follows what he'll do in return and a report on their most recent outreach in Lesotho and Namibia.

Sooo - what do you think? Is he a devil in pastor's clothing?

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165 Comments

anonymous usa
13 May 2008 14:03

Hi,

I just wanted to say that you are soo wrong about Reverend Ernest Angley.  You are so wrong.  I won't write much here because you definitely hate the ministry and as far as you have gone with your speech about the man of God - you may have already blasphemed against the holy spirit without a chance for heaven ever. This scripture describes you in the bible.  Jesus talking here, not Reverend Angley.  Jesus anointed people to lay hands on others using His name and that's what Reverend Angley does and never takes honor or glory for it.  Here are the words that you will hear echoing in your ears if you don't make it to heaven:  The section in bold describes you and what you have done speaking as you have.  If one calls someone a devil and that person has the holy spirit dwelling within, that means you have called the holy ghost a devil and there is a sin that cannot be forgiven and that is the sin - you have called the man of god a devil and the works he does for god.  see what God says about it, about you.

22 Then was brought unto him one possessed with a devil, blind, and dumb: and he healed him, insomuch that the blind and dumb both spake and saw.
23 And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
24 But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils, but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.
25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:
26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.
28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.
32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

I was GRIEVED at things you said although I just skimmed it - I could not believe you.  You had better repent to God for this grave sin or you will never see heaven.  Hell is horrible - so much so that Jesus bled and died so you would not go there.  The bible says, "Where the worm (the soul) dieth not and the FIRE is never quenched."  Let it be said that if you don't get right and repent for what you have said against the true servant of God, these words I have spoken to you today will repeat in your mind as the endless ages roll in hell - and then you will want to love the true man of God for you will realize that you told lies against him and the holy ghost , but it will be too late, there's no escaping hell once you land there.  God will wipe you from you from his memory to never remember you again - you will be forgotten.&nbs

anonymous usa
13 May 2008 14:09

Find God Today and say the sinner's prayer:

http://ernestangley.org/salvation/

Brown Shuga
13 May 2008 15:30

Huuu anonymous, what were you doing in the archives? 

Eish Tashi nawe! lol

Lady D
13 May 2008 16:39

Hmm,i would rather not say anything,we will never see eye to eye on such topics.Very sensitive,its quite brave of you Tashi to raise such sensitive topic.

Venusseed
13 May 2008 18:25

Iyo Tashi what have you done? Someone just CURSING you like that using the name of the Lord.
Lol@ anonymous usa
Tash you are protected girl. I'm just gonna find the above scriptures and read them from my Bible cos eish Mr/Miss Annon USA gives me a picture of horror movies. 
       (((((((((((ROTFLMAO))))))))))))) and praying for the Pastor's PRO........
I imagine her(sounds like a woman) kneeling with a crucifix casting out those words, wearing a white long nightie...(lol).....

Nonny
14 May 2008 00:26

"Whatever the case it was clear that he's using the Aids pandemic to make as much money as possible, promising people that they and their entire families can be healed of Aids through him."

I share the same sentiments as u Tashi he is definitely using people to get money and sadly it's working for him and his people & followers are so brainwashed coz they are desperate to be Aids free, but mina all I know is that u can pray 20 000 times a day, if u are HIV positive kunjalo kunjalo and Pastor won't make u negative, so lovies check ur CD4 count and stop waiting for some "fake" miracle to happen and start them ARV, Imbizo or whatever will work for ur body.

And as for wena Anonymous usa, Amen Mzalwane and welcome to TVSA!!!!!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 00:30

hectic stuff ... *sigh*

Nonny
14 May 2008 00:36

@ BA, ur reply came as a suprise, yazi phela given te topic at hand I thought u'd have an essay of a reply, zithini vele????

Renegade
14 May 2008 01:02

Lol, I dind't check the date that Tashi wrote this article until I saw Brown Shuga's comment...wow annnonymous usa, you really went back. 

On the topic though.. cant say much coz I dont know this guy, all I know is that this pastor thing can really be abused...i'll leave it at that.

monchooza
14 May 2008 01:04

I've never trusted these Pastors that come with tents and Hosts big revivals, promising people that they will be healed of all these sicknesses, the blind will see, the deaf will hear and those who cant walk will walk.

If this is true why is it that they leave the countries instead of helping their own poeple.......I am sure there are blind, deaf or disabled  people where ever they come from

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 01:35

@ BA, ur reply came as a suprise, yazi phela given te topic at hand I thought u'd have an essay of a reply, zithini vele???? 

@Nonny .... LOL, ukuthi there are two sides of every story and i find it difficult for me speak specically about this Pastor ...have never heard or listened to him ...BUT ..in my experience

Some Pastors(wont mention names) do pray for people with Aid and get cured, i have witnessed that. Some people i knew(they had already came out of the closets and started taking ARV's), A certain Pastor prayed for them and they were cured went to check again several times in different months and they were purely cured ..one of them is now a Pastor. So i dont find my self in a position to uestion or disagree with this Pastor

And i wont start talking about money issue because i real dont know, what i know is that any ministry needs money to keep going and that money must be out of free will from the givers.

nokubonga
14 May 2008 01:41

Best Achiever are you for real....people getting cured for Hiv/Aids, then why is he not making headlines all over the world. Aowa Bathong sa re botseng maaka modi forumong hlee!!!!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 01:44

@Nokubonga ... i am for real darling and im not talkinng about hearsay, but what i know. God is a healer luv dont ever doubt that

Nonny
14 May 2008 01:56

"If this is true why is it that they leave the countries instead of helping their own poeple.......I am sure there are blind, deaf or disabled people where ever they come from"
Dankie san, I couldn't have said it better Monchooza!!!!

"Some Pastors(wont mention names) do pray for people with Aid and get cured, i have witnessed that."
Yah man BA, next thing u will tell me pigs can fly and cows can talk..........LOL


myname
14 May 2008 02:01

BA heeehena no ngwaneso hayi plz shooo so there is cure for Aids & its prayer hayi ndiyayi-first borner this one (in my grandma's voice)

Yehake!
14 May 2008 02:04

Tashi:power to the people,i support you a hundred times my love,for once someone writes some interesting hot stuff!! people must remember that God himself said we must examine the spirits ("niyihlole imimoya...") as such things would happen and he also said there would be false prophets and they will come and claim to be preaching in Gods name(Evil). the very same bible this "pastor"is using says..."there will be uncurable diseases..."so what does that mean to human kind?? it means no one should claim the power to heal Aids but rather encourage the usage of ARV's plz!! so to Anon USA and the Rev: you can curse all you want but all power belongs to God love not you!!! and to amabloggers dont ever be scared of such curses, you have not been given the spirit o fear... ok!

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 02:06

Clap-clap Monchy well said mfana waseSun City, i was trying to avoid this blog eish.

nokubonga
14 May 2008 02:08

Best Achiever....those pastors will be happy if you could mention their names...because you will be giving them more popularity for their congregations mos...plus ke di cure tsa Aids mos. I just don't understand why you hide their names because they might help some of us here on the forum.

I don't doubts what the power of God can do to one's soul...I was just shocked to hear gore there is a cure for Aids.

Nonny
14 May 2008 02:08

..."there will be uncurable diseases..."so what does that mean to human kind?? it means no one should claim the power to heal Aids but rather encourage the usage of ARV's plz!! 
Amen Haleluyah Yehake! Aids cannot be cured *for now I hope*, the sooner people learn to accept that, the better.

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 02:11

Yah man BA, next thing u will tell me pigs can fly and cows can talk..........LOL
@Nonny ... i wont say something i have never witnessed and again i wont question the Mighty healing Power of God, what i said remain like that because i have witnessed it  

@Myname .... God heals all diseases to them who believe

Nonny
14 May 2008 02:12

"I just don't understand why you hide their names because they might help some of us here on the forum."

Yes BA, if these Pastors are as powerful as u say they are, why don't u say their names, people are dying left right & center from HIV/AIDS, please mgani, don't be stingy or even selfish with the cure, siyayabadinga labafundisi abaphiwe ithalente elinzima kangaka.........LOL

Nonny
14 May 2008 02:14

*shaking my head*.........I can't believe there are people that still believe HIV/AIDS can be cured........nc nc nc........we have a long way to go.

KeleFabulous
14 May 2008 02:14

Yehake you took the words right out of my mouth...

LOL @ Anon US tl tl tl

nokubonga
14 May 2008 02:20

Where are the journalists in this forum????

Don't you want to make money for your paper???

It is alleged that there is a cure for Hiv/Aids in the form of pastors.

Yehake!
14 May 2008 02:21

yho we would go thin sisi kaloku,people badlala ngathi sisezodlalwa yi AIDS ppl so give us a break!! you must not be desperate as to close your eyes and trust when it comes to AIDS magents open them up so can get hit properly!!!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 02:22

Yes BA, if these Pastors are as powerful as u say they are, why don't u say their names, people are dying left right & center from HIV/AIDS, please mgani, don't be stingy or even selfish with the cure, siyayabadinga labafundisi abaphiwe ithalente elinzima kangaka.........LOL

@Nonny .... People perish because of the lack of knowledge 

Nonny
14 May 2008 02:28

"@Nonny .... People perish because of the lack of knowledge"
Then inform me BA, who is this powerful pastor??? I need to know TOO many people that are close to my heart are HIV+ and I would love for them to be cured.

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 02:30

BA why mara heh? you take pastors too seriously if you think they even cure Aids, I am bit dissapointed for real, guys this is not even worth debating (cure for Aids in a form of a mysterious pastor).

Strolicious
14 May 2008 02:30

BA>>>>>.no prayer can cure HIV/AIDS,If this is true why is it that they leave there countries instead of helping their own poeple.......I am sure there are blind, deaf or disabled people where ever they come from ...well said Monchy......charity begins at home.even pastor Chris paid people to act.....mina im a christian not a born again,,,,,but God usiza ozisizayo .take ur ARV's uzobagrand.

Toxic
14 May 2008 02:30

*this is my comment*

Yehake!
14 May 2008 02:31

accept it, you will be ok!!otherwise there is no cure in whatever form!!

Mphoyame
14 May 2008 02:32

Psalm 105:15 Do not touch my Anointed ones, And do my prophets no harm.

Miss K
14 May 2008 02:33

@Nonny .... People perish because of the lack of knowledge.........@BA true dat, so give us the names of the pastors so that ppl can stop perishing from AIDS!

myname
14 May 2008 02:34

@Myname .... God heals all diseases to them who believe.........BA dear plz dont do this to me in this beautiful day there is NO cure for Aids even if u believe in HIM. Come-on people lets not confuse people while we are loozing our people bcoz of this disease. And BA u dont have proof darling ............this topic is interesting ..let me get a coffee

Nonny
14 May 2008 02:38

religion and politics........I give up!!!!!

(cure for Aids in a form of a mysterious pastor)...........ROTFLMAO.........Cnglemom it "could" be true hey, so BA and the name of the pastor is __________*drum roll* qhuma phela????........I am waiting!!!!!

bulie
14 May 2008 02:39

Maybe that is thru maybe not but what i've seen in these Pastors is that they all doing business why do i say that there was a Pastor who said he heals every single desease in earth  all you have to do is go to his Tent and worship God with him and his collegues then unikele ngemali but if unikela ngemali encinci uThixo uzokusikelela kancinci so people believe that and banikela ngemali ezinkulu did that money go to God or in his pocket no it went straight into his pocket suddenly people started praisng him that they r better sick  than before but they were not healed to say i'm fine i no longer have Cancer but the pains was better. Then he disappeared with his name and never cum back seems like he reached his target. So i dnt believe in them i believe in God as Jesus healed people he did'nt do it for money he did'nt ask for umnikelo before u get healed.

nokubonga
14 May 2008 02:43

@Nonny...phela nam am waiting to hear the mysterious pastors. We all know ukuthi most of this pastor likes to show off...why this ones which such a rare gift shy away from the dying massess????

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 02:49

Then inform me BA, who is this powerful pastor??? I need to know TOO many people that are close to my heart are HIV+ and I would love for them to be cured.

@Nonny ..... it wont help you still gonna question it ...

no prayer can cure HIV/AIDS

@Strolicious .... There is nothing impossible with God

BA why mara heh? you take pastors too seriously if you think they even cure Aids, I am bit dissapointed for real, guys this is not even worth debating (cure for Aids in a form of a mysterious pastor).
@Cnglemom ... i dont take any pastor too serious ... But the Mighty hand of the healing GOD

..."there will be uncurable diseases..."so what does that mean to human kind?? it means no one should claim the power to heal Aids but rather encourage the usage of ARV's plz!!
@Yehake ... if you real read the whole that have that verse .. you wouldnt be saying what you are saying ..just go back then read and understand the scripture, it will help you a lot

myname
14 May 2008 02:49

hihihihi lol bullie these pastors believe in our pockets so accept the disease & move on ok.............so let mi go then

Miss K
14 May 2008 02:50

@Bulie sthandwa sam have u ever heard of punctuation marks like comma, question marks, full stop, etc?? U make a valid point but its so hard to heard coz i'm out of breath!

Miss K
14 May 2008 02:53

oops meant so hard to read!

bulie
14 May 2008 02:56

Point taken Miss K u r really a mistress, thank u miss i'll remember that next time.

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 02:58

Stroh thanks for touching on the Pastor Chris issue coz nam nje i have a problem ngaye but i was just scared of the people he healed from Aids & took out of wheelchairs at TVSA might bash me. Aphinde abeliNigeria who's making millions due to ministring, load of hogwash. So now they can bash the two of us at least.

Strolicious
14 May 2008 02:59

BA...i know nothing is impossible with God..but let be realistic....do you have proof dat dose ppl were CURED.coz i can say i was also cured if da pastor pay me all da my money we agreed on................Miss K.........LOL

ngwana
14 May 2008 03:02

They are all a bunch on con artists.
If they didnt take the poor 'believing' people money, maybe i would give them a chance.

I believe if God sent someone to heal he would do it with no money involved.
These tents that promise "Stop Suffering" are all a bunch of criminals

Yehake!
14 May 2008 03:05

Power to Ngwana!!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 03:09

@Strolicious .... im being realistic love when i say, there is nothing impossible with God ...my faith is my witness darling, i cant go carrying ppls results in my hand .... believing is a choice ..so you choose whether to believe it or question it ... what i know is "By his stripes we are healed".

and you'll be stupid to accept money and pretend to be healed when you are not bcos at the end of the day it is you with a disease

Golden Star
14 May 2008 03:10

The article has been resurrected!!!

realist
14 May 2008 03:10

@ Monchooza, Nokubonga, Nonny and Yehake

Amen to your comments. If anybody differ otherwise, please provide concrete proof and factual proof not fiction.

Strolicious
14 May 2008 03:11

Cnglem>>>MOMMY power not gal power..........lol......opening a church it simple it a tax free industry,dat why there are so many church..........no offence to any1...i dnt trust all dis pastor xpecial lawa awama FORENA......coz they r here to make money..........about pastor Christos i did even knw who da hell he is,until dis thing yakhe where ppl died just to see him,do you remember da guy who told sowetan dat they've  been practising for months so dat they will be more convicing......i will stay ngibe uMzayoni no matta what.................ayikabi angilwi namuntu....

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 03:16

Hola Golden Star & Realist missed u guys, wonder how much they make per tent appearance or stadium appearance these bogus pastors. 

Ngwana sure gall! 




Strolicious
14 May 2008 03:17

BA>>>>>>>>>>>you'll be stupid to accept money and pretend to be healed when you are not bcos at the end of the day it is you with a disease...........these con pastors paY people to do there evil deeds,,,,,,,,,,,,,what da name of daT pastor who've healed people,coz i would like to take my mom there.do you have a family member or a relative who is HIV?.

nokubonga
14 May 2008 03:20

Shame on these pastors who crook people all in the name of the LORD.  They should be exposed...we are So sick of them.

And gona...churches have become fashion shows for who is who of SA or of the world. What a shame bathong!!!!!

Nonny
14 May 2008 03:22

"will stay ngibe uMzayoni no matta what"
@ Stroh - Nazoke iyibambe Mzayoini (jimvava jim tshi tshi) - this is the nice sound amazoyoni make when they go around in circles.........LOL

Sana Lwam
14 May 2008 03:28

Guys has anyone seen the local movie by Senyaka " Moruti wa Tsotsi"- thats all I'm saying for now.

Oh and all the bible clutching Nigerians every Sunday morning who flock to those baZalwane churches and donate the huge amounts of money they made on the friday and saturday from the poor souls that have been sniffing their money in the clubs that are owned by...umhh...right...them.

 

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 03:28

Stroh try dissing pastor Christos in a Taxi you will be dead meat, i tried it the last time he was here and all JNB CBD roads were blocked for him and this Xhosa lady wanted to strangle me, and she was singing Christos's song all the way to yeoville.I will not forget it - people had small babies in their backs sitting outside the stadium waiting for Papa Kristos. Papa Kristos curse me now if you have real  powers and reading this.  

Miss K
14 May 2008 03:28

what i know is "By his stripes we are healed". ....@ BA i don't doubt God's healing abilities for one sec, all im saying if u claim u have a gift from God to heal ppl then let it be know coz siyaphela yingculaza! If u provide me with this pastors contact details i am willing to give it a try coz i have a very sick friend. And i promise to go there with an open mind.

nokubonga
14 May 2008 03:33

people had small babies in their backs sitting outside the stadium waiting for Papa Kristos. Papa Kristos curse me now if you have real powers and reading this.  .....LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL!!!!

Nonny
14 May 2008 03:34

Eish, things are getting hectic manje la, see u guys in 5 minutes *smoke break, I need the relaxation........LOL*

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 03:35

@Strolicious .... what da name of daT pastor who've healed people,coz i would like to take my mom there.do you have a family member or a relative who is HIV? 

i dont think that have anything to do with you ..dear
And dear i think it will be better if you stop binding all the pastors with the same belt, because it is not all of them who are crooks,, and you real dont wanna question God's healing power now do you?

like in everything in this world, we have people who are called to do their work, those who are certified to do their work and those who do their work on the expense of the other .. i guess it is the same thing with the church.

It wont help anyone to go to the pastors just to test The healing power given to them Without FAITH ....

To all those who need pastors identity or numbers ... i wont give them to you since i have seen that you only want too go test God' ability in them ... so i wont be that kind of a messenger.  Start reading you bibles and praying, everyone was given the authority to lay hands on th sich and cast out any demon .. you just need Faith 

myname
14 May 2008 03:35

nani niyabayeka. i2rand is fine for inkongozelo bcoz that R10 is for mybread since its R7.00. Mna im sick & tired of these pastors driving Jeep whereas wena u stil driving 2 series (ur feet). Guys everything is increasing now pretrol, food, school fees. I mean everthing kanti bona do they pay God? No.......... the only thing they do they eat our money thats why i put 50cent or R1or R2 bcoz God knows im poor so im there bcoz i saw things he did for me not pastor. Yhini bantu we will die hungry if we always believe in & in & in & in & in lamaxoki

Mathaz
14 May 2008 03:37

God is the same yesterday, today and forever.  He was healer back then and still is now.  No disease is mightier than him and nothing is too much for him to handle.  I believe that God heals HIV.

There is a place in Natal called Siza Bantu and there are people who testify about God's power and healing.  They indeed have been healed of HIV.

Miss K
14 May 2008 03:38

and she was singing Christos's song all the way to yeoville....LOL tl tl tl...i know what u mean Cnglmom, i was also in a similar argument. ppl are willing to kill for what they believe in and dare question that nje! Inga ba possessed or brain washed....

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 03:38

Stroh hola Mzayoni, mina will go to ePostolo

(@jimvava jim tshi tshi) ROTFLMAO Nonny kodwa yini ngane yabantu!! , we are sick and tired of abo my frendo i will prayo fo you in the name of my Godo, safa ngama Foreyna anamanga.

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 03:39

@Miss K .... if u claim u have a gift from God to heal ppl
i suggest you go read all my repplies and reply again ... i never and will never claim to have power to heal people

nokubonga
14 May 2008 03:42

To all those who need pastors identity or numbers ... i wont give them to you since i have seen that you only want too go test God' ability in them ... so i wont be that kind of a messenger. Start reading you bibles and praying, everyone was given the authority to lay hands on th sich and cast out any demon .. you just need Faith

Wonder why you decide to hide the names of the pastors who have a rare talent in the world. And please Best Achiever stop making yourself  holier than any of us here on the forum. The cure for  the disease is not yet discovered. Sa boleleng maaka ka leina la modimo assesblief tog!!!!

Nonny
14 May 2008 03:42

"i put 50cent or R1or R2 bcoz God knows im poor so im there bcoz i saw things he did for me not pastor"
hhehehheheheeh...........but seriously, don't feel bad Myname when unikela ngo 50c coz God knows ukuhlupheka kwakho. But wena u would never survive in our church coz per person, u are "advised" (not forced people) not to give less than R20 for iSunday Collection, and the one priest said coins are noisy and they disturb the peace in our church so we oblidged.......LOL......stru bob guys, but nonetheless I still love my church!!!!!

myname
14 May 2008 03:43

vele BA it was not true vele thats why u dont want 2 give us. Really people we must stop this..............................

Miss K
14 May 2008 03:47

So BA are u saying if i am a bible bashing, born again, speak in tongues, no pants wearing christian and i'm sick then i have little faith? Just wondering.....coz i know of udade who eventually died of AIDS coz she refused to take her ARVs and she said her only medication is prayer and other bazalwane were laying hands on her. Andigezi sisi kodwa ndifuna i knowledge.

myname
14 May 2008 03:47

LOL Nonny hihihihihihihihi cruel pastor i wonder what he's driving?

nokubonga
14 May 2008 03:47

and the one priest said coins are noisy and they disturb the peace in our church so we oblidged.......LOL......stru bob guys, but nonetheless I still love my church!!!!!

LOL....Clever priest, so he is also thinking for his stomach!!!!!

belz
14 May 2008 03:48

LOL!!!!!

Strolicious
14 May 2008 03:51

this Xhosa lady wanted to strangle me, and she was singing Christos's song all the way to yeoville...............for sure u were pissed u cldn't wait ayehle........kwa kwa kwa........ayoba kristos...........Papa Kristos curse me now if you have real powers and reading this......cnglemom wangibulala,finish

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 03:52

hi-hi-hi mfundisi ongafuni isilver kwicollection cha bayaninyisa abefundisi ngeke Nonny! I am very stingy so i will be banned in ya church. Eish Miss K i know lendaba yabantu abangafuni amaARV's ngoba bengabazalwane its very sad guys.

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 03:52

Wonder why you decide to hide the names of the pastors who have a rare talent in the world. And please Best Achiever stop making yourself holier than any of us here on the forum. The cure for the disease is not yet discovered. Sa boleleng maaka ka leina la modimo assesblief tog!!!!

@Nokubonga .... i think i have already explained why i wont give names.
i am and will never make myself holier than anyone ..what i have done is to say what i know and believe and it is up to you how you conclude about me 
what i know it i am a Christian ..born again one have witnessed the power of God Im not saying that  with pride, I'm confessing that I stumble and need someone to be my guide and God Trinity is.

It is the choice i made for myself, you can make it too if you want to.

vele BA it was not true vele thats why u dont want 2 give us. Really people we must stop this..............................
 --- believe what you wanna believe, what i said remains unchanged

Miss K
14 May 2008 03:53

@Miss K .... if u claim u have a gift from God to heal ppl
i suggest you go read all my repplies and reply again ... i never and will never claim to have power to heal people.....
BA sisi i was reffering to the pastors NOT you! Sorry for the misunderstanding

nokubonga
14 May 2008 04:00

Best Achiever...its not like am questioning your sincerity in this ...but thought as a child of God  you will have mercy in helping us getting the contact details for  those pastors to help the dying massess.  But its okay if you decide otherwise!!!

But still insist...Sa boleng maaka ka leina la modimo please Tog!!!!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 04:00

So BA are u saying if i am a bible bashing, born again, speak in tongues, no pants wearing christian and i'm sick then i have little faith? Just wondering.....coz i know of udade who eventually died of AIDS coz she refused to take her ARVs and she said her only medication is prayer and other bazalwane were laying hands on her. Andigezi sisi kodwa ndifuna i knowledge

@Miss K .... dont put words into my mouth ... and i dont have a scale to measure anyone's faith nor do i know how anyone will die ...that's up to God

Nonny
14 May 2008 04:01

"hi-hi-hi mfundisi ongafuni isilver kwicollection cha bayaninyisa abefundisi ngeke Nonny! I am very stingy so i will be banned in ya church."
No man Cnglemom, u won't be banned as i said we weren't forced, just advised.

And Myname umfundisi drives iQ7.

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 04:04

@nokubonga ...But still insist...Sa boleng maaka ka leina la modimo please Tog!!!!

Stop insulting me luv ... the fact that you have never witnessed this doesnt mean that it doesnt exist .... just like the fact that i never saw you doenst mean mean you dont exist ...so insult aside ...

realist
14 May 2008 04:08

But wena u would never survive in our church coz per person, u are "advised" (not forced people) not to give less than R20 for iSunday Collection, and the one priest said coins are noisy and they disturb the peace in our church so we oblidged.......LOL......stru bob guys, but nonetheless I still love my church!!!!!

Lol
Are you happy with the advise?

There is a place in Natal called Siza Bantu and there are people who testify about God's power and healing. They indeed have been healed of HIV.

Do you believe them?

Preshiii
14 May 2008 04:09

Guys...I need to hear from people who had sex before marriage and then decided to abstain whilst in the relationship. How did you do it? What were the challenges? Did you stay in the relationship with your boyfriend/girlfriend? What did you do in the place of sex?

Uhhhmmm...ermmmm I know I'm OFF TOPIC, but since y'all are here biblebashing each other, I thot why not?

Khulumani Bazalwane torho.

nokubonga
14 May 2008 04:10

Stop insulting me luv ... the fact that you have never witnessed this doesnt mean that it doesnt exist .... just like the fact that i never saw you doenst mean mean you dont exist ...so insult aside ...

Nobody is insulting you...we asked you for proof and you denied us.  Kanti don't you believe in the powers of those pastors. If i were YOU...will be So proud to make them popular and for the fact that I will help those who need help most!!!


myname
14 May 2008 04:11

i KNEW it! ........................why we have to pay for their work andithi God chooses them so why we have to pay hundrends, thousands whereas we need these hundreds? Bona do they pay God? How much??????

Beyonce
14 May 2008 04:13

Very touchy subject,,, but I support BA 100%! 
Now, moenie my eet nie

Golden Star
14 May 2008 04:13

@Cinglma Thanks girl it's great  to know I was missed. This little inconvenience aka work keeps me from my real passion blogging

Please don't start a church especially not with Nonny because then I'll be forced to go around claiming my "sick" cellphone (the screen just goes blank) has been miraculously healed. That's how fanatical I am about you two....LOL

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 04:15

Noks you really want the contact details zika Papa Kristos, you will be transferred to the bodyguard yakhe u-my Godo not him straight!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 04:16

@nokubonga ....stop making yourself holier than any of us here on the forum

Im not holier than any of you, Im just a simple sinner Who received God’s good grace and allowed Him to clean my mess, just like everybody else! 

if ngingathi im holly ... i wud be lying

nokubonga
14 May 2008 04:16

Guys...I need to hear from people who had sex before marriage and then decided to abstain whilst in the relationship. How did you do it? What were the challenges? Did you stay in the relationship with your boyfriend/girlfriend? What did you do in the place of sex?

myname
14 May 2008 04:18

BA the way u covered for them i suspect u r involved, are you?....................................just pulling ur leg girl EAZY NHE .......................but i still need a PROOF then i wil leave u but if ayikho hayi cha ngwaneso stick 2 ur pastor & i wil stick 2 ARV's

Nonny
14 May 2008 04:21

"Guys...I need to hear from people who had sex before marriage and then decided to abstain whilst in the relationship. How did you do it? What were the challenges? Did you stay in the relationship with your boyfriend/girlfriend? What did you do in the place of sex?"
Preshiii, this can make a very informative article, post it and the replies will come rolling!!!

"Are you happy with the advise?"
@ Realist - eish I just zing Wemzalwane Qina, and then I am happy with the advise.........LOL........*Seriously speaking there are allot of visible things that are done with our Sunday collection, so I am cool with not paying less than R20*

Nonny
14 May 2008 04:23

I meant I just sing!!!!

nokubonga
14 May 2008 04:23

@ Preshi....sori gal...am abusing the company resources..I panicked and clicked the sumbit button by mistake.

Anyway...I know of Bonnie Mbuli...maybe her hubby used to finger her and yena blow jobbing him. I really don't know how they survive. Maybe when the sexual feeling  comes...they call out the name of the Lord ..and then the feeling dissapears.

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 04:24

Nobody is insulting you...we asked you for proof and you denied us. Kanti don't you believe in the powers of those pastors. If i were YOU...will be So proud to make them popular and for the fact that I will help those who need help most!!! 

@nokubonga ... i dont have any power to make anyone popular and the church is not about being popular BUT serving the God Almighty!.

between me and you we know where we differ ... i wouldnt be proud to send people to Test God's power in His chosen servants.

Very touchy subject,,, but I support BA 100%!
@Beyonce ... Thanx!


Oh Lords have mercy on US!

Preshiii
14 May 2008 04:24

@ Nokubonga: I dont think you understand anything BA has said, I think you hear her words, but dont comprehend. And that's something that cant be helped Darly. BA I hear you & completely agree with you.

myname
14 May 2008 04:25

lol Nokubonga Sexual Healing baby

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 04:26

@ Preshi Guys...I need to hear from people who had sex before marriage and then decided to abstain whilst in the relationship. How did you do it? What were the challenges? Did you stay in the relationship with your boyfriend/girlfriend? What did you do in the place of sex?

i wish i could help but you know that i am very clueless when it comes to relationship but no sex. i stayed without for 2 years was not involved but now i am having it for all those two years without it, i starved myself for too long so now its feasting time angeke ndilambe ndinendoda cha bakithi . There are bloggers who are in relationships but cansiless so BA pls help lana sisi wenza kanjani? 

Oh sweet Golden Star!

myname
14 May 2008 04:27

Amen BA

Preshiii
14 May 2008 04:29

BA: Asikhulume lets talk...you can PM me if you like.

ngwana
14 May 2008 04:30

Pastor Chris is another dodgy one

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 04:30

BA the way u covered for them i suspect u r involved, are you?....................................just pulling ur leg girl EAZY NHE .......................but i still need a PROOF then i wil leave u but if ayikho hayi cha ngwaneso stick 2 ur pastor & i wil stick 2 ARV's

@myname ... itis all about choice!

@Preshii ... Thanx

nokubonga
14 May 2008 04:31

@ Preshi...just because I differed with her doesn't mean I don't understand her.  Really now ..do we believe there is cure for Aids in the form of pastors!

@ Best Achiever.....i dont have any power to make anyone popular and the church is not about being popular BUT serving the God Almighty!.

You are right...because serving the Almighty  God means helping others.  What I was trying to say is...I will be So proud knowing that ...I have helped people who need the Almighty's help the Most without hiding anything.

Nonny
14 May 2008 04:34

"Please don't start a church especially not with Nonny because then I'll be forced to go around claiming my "sick" cellphone (the screen just goes blank) has been miraculously healed. That's how fanatical I am about you two....LOL"
Sweet man golden star..........((((((((CYBER HUG))))))))

BA,
my opinion is still the same yet I must say I salute you for NEVER shaken faith!!!

Miss K
14 May 2008 04:38

i wouldnt be proud to send people to Test God's power in His chosen servants...just let ppl put God to the test, im sure He can definately handle it without anyone's protection or help!!!

Molilo
14 May 2008 04:39

I support BA as the reason she gave makes sense, y would we want to test God's way really, if they r talented good 4 them and the people who beleived in them and where healed..........................

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 04:39

There are bloggers who are in relationships but cansiless so BA pls help lana sisi wenza kanjani? 
@Cnglemom .. i think my situation will be different ... i have never had sex in my life   ...that's a decision i took a long time ago. i told my boyfriend my principle and he respected them and still do

Mphoyame
14 May 2008 04:46

BA I'm with you all the way, I've seen the power and can truly and ashamedly believe there's nothing impossible with God (even AIDS).

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 04:47

just let ppl put God to the test, im sure He can definately handle it without anyone's protection or help!!!
@Miss K .... Like i said ..i wont be the messenger for that ...i wont contribute ... who am i to protect or help God?

@nokubonga ...You are right...because serving the Almighty God means helping others. What I was trying to say is...I will be So proud knowing that ...I have helped people who need the Almighty's help the Most without hiding anything.

what good will it make to tell people something they have already made thier mind about?

@Molilo ...Thanx!

BA, my opinion is still the same yet I must say I salute you for NEVER shaken faith!!!
@Nonny ... i guess will all know what we are talking about the only difference is that it is different!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 04:48

BA I'm with you all the way, I've seen the power and can truly and ashamedly believe there's nothing impossible with God (even AIDS).

@Mphoyame .... Thanx luv

Preshiii
14 May 2008 04:51

@ Preshi...just because I differed with her doesn't mean I don't understand her. Really now ..do we believe there is cure for Aids in the form of pastors! 

Eish Nokubonga where do I start? The cure is not in the form of Pastors. Pastors & everyone else who has faith in God can lay their hands (transfer the healing power of God) on the sick & they will get well. How do I know, cause when Jesus ascended to heaven, he delegated His power to his disciples on earth & they went about healing all manner of diseases. Read Mark 16 Vs 15 till end.

Why did my brother die then? He also had AIDS you know? Why didn't Jesus heal him.

2 reasons

1. Even Jesus could not heal certain people due to their UNBELIEF. Did my brother not believe?....that's where the second reason comes in....

2. For everything under the heavens there is a time & a season...A TIME TO BE BORN & A TIME TO DIE (Read: Ecclesiastes)....twas simply his time.

Was it God's will for him to die via AIDS?

God is always Good & God has given us sovereign choice. When you choose the behaviour, you choose the consequences. He got AIDS through his behaviour, however He accepted God's grace in his last days, and God saved his soul (which is more important)

Jesus died for everyone on earth, but not everyone believes in Him, and therefore not everyone has access to His life changing salvation until you believe that He really died for you & me as sinners & "The life I now live I live by the Son of God who gave His life for me"

Of course you will find corn-artists trying to rip off people who have no knowledge of the benefits of salvation in the name of Jesus! It does not nullify God's Word. By His stripes we are still healed. (For more on what those benefits are: Read Psalm 103) e.g people who insist you can buy your miracle of healing.

The name of Jesus is above every other name, AIDS, Stress, Migraines, Cancer etc...they all fall under the name of Jesus!



Sana Lwam
14 May 2008 04:51

@BA - If your man is half the staunch christian you are uyacheata sana

nokubonga
14 May 2008 04:52

@ Best Achiever

what good will it make to tell people something they have already made thier mind about?

Let us not generalise...because there are some with good and bad intentions here!!!!


Zazacious
14 May 2008 04:55

Personally I really do not believe that Aids can be cured spiritually or otherwise
and the fact that there are people who are using this illness as a money making scheme sickens me right to my stomach.Im a medical student maybe thats why I think scientifically.
Cant belive that The guy even has a show on TV misleading people like that
Maybe nje ngingu Thomas Ngidela ngokubona(Probably if i see for myself Id believe)Thats my story and Im sticking to it
The bible says 'Watch out for false prophecies,Could this be it???

Fluffy Head
14 May 2008 04:57

Ok my 2 cents on this matter

1. I do believe that God has the power to heal aids... He created the universe and all it inhabitants including human beings, surely Aids is nothing compared to his power. Like the good book says, if you have faith as small as a mustard  seed you shall move mountains_but if you don't take that in the leteral sence, if anyone has faith enough that they'll be healed of Aids_it can surely happen. So I don't doubt for a second that people can be prayed over and get healed.

2. With the same token, I do believe and know that pastors are human beings. They have the same capacity as you and me to sin...They probable are more prone to sin cause the devil is after them, should they sin_that will shame God on a larger scale...So I do understand that the human in any pastor does commit sin. Now doed the fact that he committed sin make God and his power invalid___NOPE.

3. I also do believe, as human as they are that pastors can be tempted to use their gift (healing) as a tool to get financial reward from people...Its that right?? Well I'm not the judge and God is. The good book says we shall all be judged for our sins...user mere mortals and pastors too_all in the same level. So whatever sin a pastor is commiting, if I'm a believer in Christ - that has nothing to do with me...That is the pastors business with God...I am solely concerned with securing my own place in heaven.

So there it is......

nokubonga
14 May 2008 04:58

Save me from the bible preaching Preshi....what some of us are really interested to know here...is the pastors who heal Aids, so we can refer people who are dear to us.

So stop imposing your beliefs on me please!!!!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 05:02

@Preshii ... Amen sister .. i couldnt have said it better .. may you find Strength in God

@SanaLwami ... If your man is half the staunch christian you are uyacheata sana 
 I FORGIVE YOU DEAR

Preshiii
14 May 2008 05:04

Nokubonga we! I am not imposing ma beliefs sisi...just stating mine. And once again repeat after me " THERE ARE NO PASTORS THAT HEAL AIDS- NO ONE CAN. ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY CAN....HE USED PEOPLE TO DO IT IN JESUS TIME...HE STILL USES PEOPLE TODAY....GOT IT?

Preshiii
14 May 2008 05:06

@SanaLwami ... If your man is half the staunch christian you are uyacheata sana
I FORGIVE YOU DEAR

LOL @ BA!

Beyonce
14 May 2008 05:09

LoL @ Preshii.... Classic

nokubonga
14 May 2008 05:11

@ Preshi...Do you really need to shout and get all personal. I am not your Sick baby to repeat after you Okay!!!!

@ FluffyHead.... I do believe and know that pastors are human beings. They have the same capacity as you and me to sin...They probable are more prone to sin cause the devil is after them, should they sin_that will shame God on a larger scale...So I do understand that the human in any pastor does commit sin. Now doed the fact that he committed sin make God and his power invalid___NOPE.

Couldn't have said it better myself!!!

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 05:18

Let us not generalise...because there are some with good and bad intentions here!!!!
@nokubonga ...maybe you must first apply this to yourself maybe i'll fid the courage too ...

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 05:18

Let us not generalise...because there are some with good and bad intentions here!!!!
@nokubonga ...maybe you must first apply this to yourself maybe i'll fid the courage too ...

Simmone
14 May 2008 05:21

Neither Science or Religion or even Traditionalists can produce physical proof pertaining to the cure for HIV/AIDS. The main word everyone here is using is BELIEF.

We all have vast BELIEFS which CANNOT be physically proven in either practice but through individual witnesses they can be substantiated. That’s why crooks thrive and people are cheated out of money. When you mention money and God there will always be controversy and disagreements. So lets all disagree to agree. only God Himself can testify that these "pastors" are genuinely witnesses to His powers. the rest of us can only just believe.

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 05:31

Noks if you think the mysterious pastor/Papa Kristos story is a *bleep!* story leave it there sisi coz no matter who says what you wont be convinced at all. Like myname mentioned qinisela in believing kumaARV's and that's your belief so stick to it. At the end of the day we are all entitled to our opinions.

TheLady
14 May 2008 05:36

Amen Preshii...My dad died from Aids related desease after having had a Pastor pray for him and him accepting JC as his Lord and saviour. sometimes I wonder why..now I'll take comfort in simply knowing that it was his time.

nokubonga
14 May 2008 05:45

Exactly Cngle!!!!

Pooky
14 May 2008 05:52

Best Achiever , Preshiii.....Amen 100%

Strolicious
14 May 2008 05:57

futhi labafundisi badla abafazi babantu.

KeleFabulous
14 May 2008 06:03

shoo...if you want to get people to talk talk religion, politics and controversy and the dam just overflows ne

Gorgeous!!!
14 May 2008 06:07

To BA, Beyonce, Preshii, Maphoyame & Pooky...I just don't wanna be missed from ya list ppl...100% support.

Jesus also moved from place to place to heal people. And not everyone in all those places got healed depending on their beliefs, right time and right place.


realist
14 May 2008 06:10

@ Cnglemother, Simmone 
Amen.

THERE ARE NO PASTORS THAT HEAL AIDS- NO ONE CAN. ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY CAN....HE USED PEOPLE TO DO IT IN JESUS TIME...HE STILL USES PEOPLE TODAY....GOT IT?

And who are those people?

Golden Star
14 May 2008 06:14

futhi labafundisi badla abafazi babantu. @Stro Hay u finished me we this one...LMAO

I guess there's no clear cut answer here. I believe each one of us needs to apply common sense. God, His word and His powers do not cost a cent and God has given all of us direct acess to Him we can talk to Him ourselves and ask for healing or anything else for that matter.

realist
14 May 2008 06:24

@ Gorgeous!!! 
Jesus also moved from place to place to heal people. And not everyone in all those places got healed depending on their beliefs, right time and right place

So what you are saying is if I believe at the right time and right place  I will be healed?

Those who were not healed, in your opinion what would their belief be?

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 06:33

@nokubonga ....  Wonder why you decide to hide the names of the pastors who have a rare talent in the world. And please Best Achiever stop making yourself holier than any of us here on the forum. The cure for the disease is not yet discovered. Sa boleleng maaka ka leina la modimo assesblief tog!!!!

The fact that you have never witnessed this doesnt make me a lier ... just likethe fact that no one has ever seen your brain doesnt make you brainless, now does it?

@Pooky ... Thanx
@Gorgeous .... Thanx

Segololo
14 May 2008 06:39

Annon USA clearly used google to unarchive this one... Ha ha ha ha! Fascinating read! 

Tashi, gal, you need to sleep early or you will subject your eyes to such! Ha ha ha!

Segololo
14 May 2008 06:41

Annon USA clearly used google to unarchive this one... Ha ha ha ha! Fascinating read! 

Tashi, gal, you need to sleep early or you will subject your eyes to such! Ha ha ha!

Segololo
14 May 2008 06:41

Annon USA clearly used google to unarchive this one... Ha ha ha ha! Fascinating read! 

Tashi, gal, you need to sleep early or you will subject your eyes to such! Ha ha ha!

Segololo
14 May 2008 06:43

annon USA clearly must have googled to unarchive this! Ha ha ah!

Tashi, gal, go to bed early and don't subject your eyes to such atrocities and trauma! Ha ha ha!

Sana Lwam
14 May 2008 06:52

"Guys has anyone seen the local movie by Senyaka " Moruti wa Tsotsi"- thats all I'm saying for now.

Oh and all the bible clutching Nigerians every Sunday morning who flock to those baZalwane churches and donate the huge amounts of money they made on the friday and saturday from the poor souls that have been sniffing their money in the clubs that are owned by...umhh...right...them.
"

Some in Blogland pleeeeease say something...Nonny, Cngle, Nokubonga,Stro etc help me here...

Nonny
14 May 2008 06:54

"Guys has anyone seen the local movie by Senyaka " Moruti wa Tsotsi"- thats all I'm saying for now.
@ Sana Lwam, no my darling I haven't seen this movie, itholakala kanjani???

myname
14 May 2008 07:01

hee banna i cant believe we r still talking about isikhinda sikaZuma nangoku? Kanti people iAids is not going anywhere if we dont use condoms qha & No pastor No God is gonna cure Aids yhini nkosi yam...............How many times we fall inluv with this guy & we keep loozing our people from Aids. Yes he can heal some other diseases but not Aids if unayo unayo qha

Gorgeous!!!
14 May 2008 07:07

@ realist,
This is what I mean by beliefs--depending on whether they believe that they are going to be healed.

By time and place---whether it's the right time and right place for them to be healed....bcoz, there is time for everything.

Do you get ma point now?

Segololo
14 May 2008 07:08

Nonny: <<no my darling I haven't seen this movie, itholakala kanjani???>>Look and Listen. they even have Moruti wa Tsotsi 2

Yehake!
14 May 2008 07:16

Guys i saw a video mna of pastor chris sniffing coccaine!! you should never rely on people but only God!! a verse in the bible says...(can't remember where though!)...they came to him(Jesus) and said but master we laid hands and took out demons in your name..Jesus said go away i never knew you!! Sssooo magenge,read your bibles and know that lusifer(satana) was chased from heaven with his powers intact so he can also still perform magic(note: not miracles just magic!!)

Best-Achiever
14 May 2008 07:23

Yehake!

Yehake!
14 May 2008 07:27

serious BA not blaspheming or anything nmy sweetheart i wouldn't do that, i know what happened to Saul (who is now know as Paul) when he persecuted Gods people...how would i be able to post this video ma eh? plz coz we realy need to wake up kusemhlabeni apha and no human being is whithout sin...

Miss K
14 May 2008 07:31

@Yehake u can post the video on YouTube or even better sell it to Sowetan! Are u for real u do just wanna stir up some people's tempers???

Yehake!
14 May 2008 07:46

why would i? why do you think ifeel sooo stronglyy about thismpastor chris rubbish? this video even claims he is part of some cult...!! and yes some pastors go to umhla'buýalingana in the KZN to have their churches qiniswa(strengthened!!) seriously!!!!

realist
14 May 2008 07:47

My last post on this topic. Here is something to make you smile, got it from a friend.

What's the difference between people who pray in church and those who pray in casinos? The ones in the casinos are serious. 

When John was young he used to pray for a bike, then he realized that God doesn't work that way, so he stole a bike and prayed for forgiveness. 

No offense intended.

Yehake!
14 May 2008 07:50

peace out!!

Cande
14 May 2008 08:05

I wish we could get names of these pastors who can heal Aids so we can also take some people there....

Hlehle
14 May 2008 08:09

Are you guys still in this topic since this morning please its time for sumthing new now u are all been heard and there is no point going on and on about this u all dont have a solution so byee.

maud
14 May 2008 08:11

If this is true why is it that they leave the countries instead of helping their own poeple.......I am sure there are blind, deaf or disabled people where ever they come from"
Dankie san, I couldn't have said it better Monchooza!!!! 

Sure Mngane ,charity begins @ home, babashiya kanjani abantu bakubo dying of this Aids kanti bayakwazi ukuyipholisa pleeeeese.

Yehake!
14 May 2008 08:18

Hlehle if you want to discuss something else write an article my sweet and leave us alone ok?? ungabuyeli emuva with Bulies attitude please it stunk!! get a life the whole reason behind articles is to discuss them!!

Venusseed
14 May 2008 08:22

Shooooo AMEN!!  Best Achiever, Preshii and Nokubonga wow I respect you and support you 100%. If people can go back and reread your replies with clear minds they will probably get what you are saying.

Basically BA was saying there are Pastors who have the power vested in them to cure people with diseases. Well we still have no proof for the cure of AIDS but maybe it's true. Preshii was making apoint that it is not the pastors who heal the sick but God transfers His healing powers through these pastors. Nokubonga was enlightning us(referring to Pastor Ernest and others) about false prophets who use the name of our Lord for false acts. 

Anyway as much as our African pastor we cannot just believe what we read. We have never been to these sermons. We have never been that sick, nor had such great FAITH that we realise the power of God's healing on us. We have no idea of what was going on with those who have left us yet they believed so much in our Lord. 

My brother was a wonderful, respectful, law- abiding Christian. He was shot in the head in 2000. He survived four brain surgeries and went back to his normal life despite having lost one eye and having to live with epilepsy(fits). He died a year later from an epileptic attack in his sleep( when he had survived the attacks while driving). 
I said to my mom it was time we had to let go of him. God did not allow for him to die by the gun, in surgery, from the meningitis attack or in a car accident. He called him in his sleep. It was time for him to go.

My point: It is possible for GOD to heal all diseases, including AIDS through our FAITH. I don't really support Pastor Ernest mission but I don't judge him cos we are just human. Even God tells us to ask Him to protect us from temptation. 

Linomtha
14 May 2008 08:28

HLEHLE Are you guys still in this topic since this morning please its time for sumthing new now u are all been heard and there is no point going on and on about this u all dont have a solution so byee.


And Hlehle sana this topic is really boring for u-concentrator  kuyo the hole *bleep!* day,Sori Tashi Tagg 4 ur article plz dont take me nagetive.

monchooza
14 May 2008 08:34

one Pastor/con visited our church once and he gave us a beautiful sermon and we all liked and enjoyed it and then when time for umnikelo(offering) came he told people to nikela with what they had at that moment and god (emphasis on the small "g" will bless them by trippling what ever they offered (nikela'd), Tsho!!

you should have seen abazalwani putting their cellphones, handbags, jewellery and other things in the offering busket. and once the service was done the pastor took all the things people gave and left with them....needless to say. none of the things he said/promised happened. tot vandag........as far as i know ukuthi he is the one who preached , does not mean he must take umnikelo with him, he must leave umnikelo ebandleni.

So guys hlolani imimoya....these are the last days false profits are everywhere.

Yehake!
14 May 2008 08:37

AHhhMEN MONCHOO!

Venusseed
14 May 2008 08:51

GOD IS THE SOURCE OF LIFE, HEALTH AND ALL THAT IS GOOD. WE HAVE AN ENEMY THAT DESIRES TO DESTROY US, WHOM WE ARE TO RESIST STEADFAST IN OUR FAITH( James4: 7'1 Peter 5:8, 9)

I survived a terrible car crash on the 31/03/2008 with two of my girls. One of our friend died hours later while we were being rescued on the spot. I am still recovering from a broken shoulder and rib. My one friend is on and off with complications following an operation on her stomach which had bursted. This same friend is the one who got out of the car when we had passed out to go get help. Her eyes could not open as they were opened throughout the rolling of the car.
I had detached(backslided) in my FAITH a bit since last year November. When they placed me next to her she said: "My friend it's gonna be fine. Pray, I have been praying". At that moment I had lost it(prayer) all I could say was: "God". She prayed for all of us that God save us and He did.

Why the story? I just wanted to point out that God uses different people at different times for different purposes. I still believe that if my friend was not there we would have all died there and found I don't know when, cos the three of us were trapped in that car. Me and the driver had punctured lungs. Unfortunately for our God-loving, praising and worshipping friend did not make it through. He was alive for 4hours but God called him when the paremedics arrived. It was just his time to go. 

And guys please BUCKLE UP all the time because our friend did not have his seatbelt on. 

Venusseed
14 May 2008 08:51

GOD IS THE SOURCE OF LIFE, HEALTH AND ALL THAT IS GOOD. WE HAVE AN ENEMY THAT DESIRES TO DESTROY US, WHOM WE ARE TO RESIST STEADFAST IN OUR FAITH( James4: 7'1 Peter 5:8, 9)

I survived a terrible car crash on the 31/03/2008 with two of my girls. One of our friend died hours later while we were being rescued on the spot. I am still recovering from a broken shoulder and rib. My one friend is on and off with complications following an operation on her stomach which had bursted. This same friend is the one who got out of the car when we had passed out to go get help. Her eyes could not open as they were opened throughout the rolling of the car.
I had detached(backslided) in my FAITH a bit since last year November. When they placed me next to her she said: "My friend it's gonna be fine. Pray, I have been praying". At that moment I had lost it(prayer) all I could say was: "God". She prayed for all of us that God save us and He did.

Why the story? I just wanted to point out that God uses different people at different times for different purposes. I still believe that if my friend was not there we would have all died there and found I don't know when, cos the three of us were trapped in that car. Me and the driver had punctured lungs. Unfortunately for our God-loving, praising and worshipping friend did not make it through. He was alive for 4hours but God called him when the paremedics arrived. It was just his time to go. 

And guys please BUCKLE UP all the time because our friend did not have his seatbelt on. 

ngwana
14 May 2008 08:56

Monchooza - i shouldn't laugh at the s*&t this pastors get people to do.

They have victims cause people are so desperate for a better life.

Cnglemother
14 May 2008 09:08

Monchy! yo you made my day! so did u give away yo Samsung fone & your Gucci sunglasess? Its hectic bafethu.

Cande
14 May 2008 09:21

Limontha and Hlehle, ever heard of noise pollution?? Niyadika maan..
LOL@ Monchooza

Mambox
14 May 2008 09:29

This is what i've done i've printed this and i'm taking a highlighter home so that i ngizoyifunda kahle at the comfort of my own home and see if i have enough courage to respond!

Mambox
20 Jun 2008 02:40

@Venusseed  i'm still ROFLMAO at this:
"Tash you are protected girl. I'm just gonna find the above scriptures and read them from my Bible cos eish Mr/Miss Annon USA gives me a picture of horror movies.
(((((((((((ROTFLMAO))))))))))))) and praying for the Pastor's PRO........
I imagine her(sounds like a woman) kneeling with a crucifix casting out those words, wearing a white long nightie...(lol)....."


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