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The Observer: Lekota, & Vavi on Interface

Written by TheObserver from the blog TheTVObserver on 03 Nov 2008
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On my last blog about politics (CLICK HERE) I mentioned that I am not much of a politician, in fact I hate politics because they seem like a public way to glorify cheating, deceit and breaking promises. Since I love observing television and people in general, this past weekend I watched the SA NATIONAL CONVENTION televised by SABC2 amidst a surplus of technical problems.

 In paying attention and reading up about the intent of the whole convention, since it affects the very democracy we live in and will be voting for again. I realized that the people behind this new movement or party as it has been officially announced, are very intelligent and may have tricks up their sleeves which may possibly present what many appear to want urgently. That is a formidable alternative and possibly an opposition to the ANC.



Every issue addressed by the panel was by itself a sting from the most healthy of bees and it was clear to me that this convention was very much a “what it should have been like” type to the ANC conference. The difference however was that everyone who made the pilgrim to Sandton City, was in support of a single idea, single movement, single vision, they shared the same concerns and there was nothing any speaker could have said that would solicited a barrage of “BOO” outbursts from the crown.

It was when this speaker as pictured below, started pointing out some heavy points as to why the convention was organized and the reasons viewers at home and attendees must re-consider their position immediately.


He went on to mentioned a long list of reasons why the current ANC leadership is NOT the ANC of Nelson Mandela and he named all the ANC stewards and icons. The whole room got so excited it was like having the pleasure of attending a live taping of The Oprah Winfrey Show, where audience members get so pumped up that you could feel their excitement in the air and the stomping of their feet when Oprah walks in; converts into some overwhelming energy. When this esteemed gentlemen started to name those icons, the whole 4,000 packed convention center went crazy. SABC intervened by cutting the transmission and went over to the commentator


As you can see, the boss obviously screamed to the technician “CUT THE TRANSMISSION”. The commentator spoke with two expects in this distorted picture, on the subject. One of which is pictured below:


They also unanimously stated that this convention is an overwhelming success which is a positive indication for the organizers. END of transmission by SABC2….


Is someone regretting broadcasting the convention? Don’t worry dear, you can bring back Zuma or Mantashe on television again and he can convince….oh sorry threaten the rest of secluded South Africa!


Watching the debate on Interface which airs on SABC3 Sundays at 19h30 – 20h00, I realized that Lekota is the right person to form any opposition party or any party for that matter. How he has gone about it, is indicative of a well planned mission from the “Terror” himself. This, as most can assess is quite different to Holomisa, whose story about leaving the ANC is riddled with issues beyond belief. ANC reps are trying to paint Lekota with the same brush but are failing dismally.


In the interest of clarity, he (Holomisa), who was also attending the convention, left the ANC and formed his party whilst the ANC was under Nelson Mandela’s leadership which was a big NO! Lekota’s move is executed at the right time with the right issues. I can’t help but notice the similarities of Lekota and Holomisa in that they both have a military background but the major difference is that in September 30 1996, Bantubonke Holomisa was expelled from the ANC by unanimous decision of the National Executive Committee.

Holomisa had been an ANC member for a very brief period, joining the ANC in 1994. Holomisa was nurtured by the old bantustan Transkei Defence Force, itself a proxy of the apartheid SADF. Holomisa has never demonstrated the slightest reservation about this background. Vlakplaas commander, Eugene De Kock, claimed in court that "Holomisa was a military intelligence project that went wrong". Ouch!

I know a lot of people believe that Shilowa and Lekota have shacked up together because they have grudges with the ANC NEC and the whole Mbeki business. I think any human being in this planet will not expect Shilowa and Lekota not to have some form of anger and resentment towards decisions taken by the ANC NEC. The difference is how far, if at all, they will take their resentment and anger towards ANC. If that is the case, they have started in a wrong foot. In my opinion it seems they have realized that much could be done by a party which is different to DA, ACDP, UDM, IFP and ANC. It appears they are not doing things because they have scores to settle, but rather have realized that their concerns are similar to the rest of South Africans.

The topic for Interface was:



The panel included:






Observing Lekota on the panel, I was struck by how comfortable he was with Vavi and Maluleke. They knew that the presence of Vavi was designed purely to insight a heated debate and in the process failed. Hence Vavi started out a bit shaken and perhaps scared. Look at Lekota.... wouldn't you be a bit off balance with that stare:


We need to realize that Lekota has been a chairman of the very party he is now challenging and this presents a very interesting dimension of politics. Unlike, Holomisa, he comes from the heart of the beast and he knows exactly how the beast eats, sleeps, talks, moves, thinks and acts. To top it all off, he is a military man. This makes him the perfect hunter.


Vavi tried to challenge Lekota by stating a list of things he thought could punch holes in Lekota’s new party throughout the whole 30minutes, which was very childish. At one point Vavi posed a question: “why would the new party be able to address their (Cosatu) issues, since they (Lekota and company) have been in government for over 10years and nothing was done”. Those concerns being poverty, jobs, privatization and the beat goes on.



Lekota eloquently addressed Vavi by saying that when ANC came up with policies and structures they consulted the likes of Cosatu who then went to the public in a cogent manner and shouting at the top of their heads the support of the very policies Vavi now supports which he claims are not working and not creating jobs. Feeling that Terror has touched a sensitive spot, Vavi quickly interject and says “NEVER”. I guess he felt the scam that he is running with Cosatu and poor workers could be revealed by Lekota on national television. Lekota also mentioned that some of those policies worked and some failed but they felt if they held on to them, they'll get better. Lekota’s statement made it clear that Vavi is not supposed to complain about anything since he is part of the policy formulation and if he has anything to complain about he should go the NEC. This may very well be another "TELL "from Lekota which reveals the back end negotiations by these politicians and unions.

Vavi’s passionate NEVER! Reminds of me of the famous knowledge of the letter which emerged when Mantashe, the ANC’s secretary- general, announced that Mbeki had effectively distanced himself from former defence minister Mosiuoa Lekota’s plans for a breakaway party, and would, in fact, be backing the ANC.


Mantashe said Mbeki had stated this in his letter, which turned out to be untrue.

Mantashe has denied claims that he selectively quoted from Mbeki’s letter to the advantage of the ruling party. This follows Lekota’s accusation that Mantashe had misled the nation when he said Mbeki did not support his initiative of forming a breakaway party.


To which Lekota responded with a press conference of his own to unveil the actual letter from Mbeki. As to what made them think they could pull that and get away with it. I have no idea!


As if things could not get any worse, media reports announce the resignation of more ANC members who now join Lekota.

Vavi was clearly a fish out of water on this debate. I never trusted Vavi and I think anyone who would base their political and career vote on this guy will remain in poverty for the rest of their lives. He has a tendency of saying things without regard of consequence and the impact thereof.


Lekota went on to address Vavi by saying the reason why he is starting a new party is because he thought he will be able change things from within the ANC and found it to be very difficult.

The host asked him about the difference in policy between his new party and the all the others. He answered with such irritation at the host, that he has nothing in common with likes of ID and DA. He said they have just announced their party and when they have policies they will announce them.



When Shilowa was shown on the prime time news.

He stated that they are forming a new party and he mentioned that, they are not going to lie about their affairs. He went on to say that they have already been financed by some business people who identify with their course and they expect more business men and women including the public to contribute money towards their new party. I thought that was very interesting and wonderful, if they keep it up.


Meanwhile the professor, Maluleke, made a comment about neither ANC nor the new moment never having to take responsibility for the mess that South Africa is in. After the host moved on to another issue, Lekota quickly asked to address the professor by stating on public television that he will make a stand and accepted responsibility on his part for the situation as it stands in South Africa.

They were asked about the new voting system which will ensure that the public votes for their own leaders not the party as it is the case right now! With this new system we will have the opportunity to vote for our own MPs, Premiers, MECs and President. The professor said it could very well fail or succeed, and he made mention of the fact why would we want to change something that’s working (referring to the current system). I thought he was high for moment there, because if he thinks the current system works, then we need to be concerned about his opinions. Lekota said that the new system is something that he is supporting because it would help with these elected Alcoholics, Fraudsters and Inapt politicians who are Premiers, MECs and MPs. He said that if the people vote for their own leaders, they will ensure that they pick people who are qualified and experienced to lead them well. Lekota is not without STINGS! I tell ya!

This discussion reminded me of the following statement by Mbeki: “I find it strange in the extreme that today cadres of our movement attach the label of a ‘cult of personality’ to me, and indeed publicly declare a determination ‘to kill’ to defend your own cause, the personal interests of ‘the personality’, Jacob Zuma.”

He goes on to state that “I would be interested to know your view of any instance in our movement during which it fell victim to the noxious phenomenon of the personality cult,” Mbeki .

If you are interesting in reading the whole letter here is the link:

http://www.dispatch.co.za/pdfs/MbekiLetter.pdf

Trust me reading this nine paged document, is very interest to say the least.

When I observe the political landscape that is South Africa, I can safely conclude that we are already a forced version of that debate, where voters are pushed to vote for an individual, especially with the ANC as we have seen in their conference. The problem is when they lie about it and use words like “the congress, the voters, the party, the structures, and the committees; which simply means when something goes wrong they will say. The structures failed to recognize that.

In his letter former President Mbeki states “I… could not understand how the same ANC which was so disenchanted with me could, within a fortnight, consider me such a dependable cadre as could be relied upon to promote the political fortunes of the very same movement,” Mbeki wrote in his letter to Zuma.


What is clear is that Lekota and his new party, reported to formally launch in Free State on the 16th December. It may very well be a new spark which the country needs to wrangle ourselves from the cultural, racial and traditional politics which have swallowed our principles and morals. 

The Observers Reviews
Interface’d with PROPAGANDA
Lekota, Zuma and Mbeki, that’s an INTERFACE
You need an HOUR for such issues!

By The Observer


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82 Comments

Firstdvd
03 Nov 2008 06:37

I'm proud to be part of this democratic country. WE DO THINGS WITH A SMILE ON OUR FACES :-D

Firstdvd
03 Nov 2008 06:48

1st I watched ASIKHULUME (1hr) debating the same topic, then i switched to INTERFACE (30min) after. I asked myself: cos this is between ZUMA and MBEKI, what if THEY KISS & MAKE UP?

Cande
03 Nov 2008 07:55

Very interesting & intelligent letter that Mr Mbeki wrote to the ANC...
Mr Motlanthe was willing to try sort out differences with Shikota so they can work together as the ANC but Shikota is not buying it.
I think this country needs a multi-party democracy, so this is a very strong opponent for the ANC.
Met Holomisa at the airport on saturday kanti it was after he left the media breefing while it was still in progress..LOL

GoldenSta
03 Nov 2008 08:18

Interesting times.
Mr Shilowa was on SAFM, he says the name of the new party is South African Democratic Congress. I was suprised to hear Tim Modise back on SAFM...

The SABC kodwa... 
Last week they promised to air the Shikota convention on Saturday and Sunday. Next thing they are also showing an ANC rally in Jabulani, Soweto. Mr Holomisa didn't miss the opportunity to point out that all that was just as a retaliation to the convention.

Mathaz
03 Nov 2008 08:18

The man in your first pictiure is Barney Pityane, i think the Vice Chancellor of UNISA.  He has been vocal about the happenings during Polokwane 2007.  Shikota are on a major publicity drive, today Shilowa was on Morning Live and Lekota on Sunrise.  I understand they set up a website, anyone who knows it please help me out, i might join this party.  Sounds interesting, i can't wait to check out their policies.

Firstdvd
03 Nov 2008 06:37

I'm proud to be part of this democratic country. WE DO THINGS WITH A SMILE ON OUR FACES :-D

Firstdvd
03 Nov 2008 06:48

1st I watched ASIKHULUME (1hr) debating the same topic, then i switched to INTERFACE (30min) after. I asked myself: cos this is between ZUMA and MBEKI, what if THEY KISS & MAKE UP?

tha - bang
03 Nov 2008 08:33

nce blog as always obsevor.we will see where the saga leads

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 08:38

Vavi was clearly a fish out of water on this debate. I never trusted Vavi and I think anyone who would base their political and career vote on this guy will remain in poverty for the rest of their lives. He has a tendency of saying things without regard of consequence and the impact thereof. Thanks Observer, 

It was interesting to watch that program, was looking at their faces as well, was so impressed with the way Lekota was behaving himself, you can see he is inteligent. 

As for Vavi, shame on him, I believe thats what happens when you do things without full knowledge/inteligence to respond to the issues

Cande
03 Nov 2008 07:55

Very interesting & intelligent letter that Mr Mbeki wrote to the ANC...
Mr Motlanthe was willing to try sort out differences with Shikota so they can work together as the ANC but Shikota is not buying it.
I think this country needs a multi-party democracy, so this is a very strong opponent for the ANC.
Met Holomisa at the airport on saturday kanti it was after he left the media breefing while it was still in progress..LOL

GML
03 Nov 2008 08:53

There are serious problems in the ANC. One can tell in how they contradict each other. They have resorted to lying about Thabo Mbeki's letter and have publicly announced that people who want to leave the ANC must do so. While the very next day the President of the republic said he is willing to talk to SHIKOTA about differences and would try to resolve them.

A typical example of problems is when the MEC of Education in Gauteng Angie (who is also the president of the Womens league) said, after Malema's matric results were published, one does not need education to be a leader.

Surely a person who is involved in the development of the educations system should not utter such words. Yes, a lot of our leaders had no education but they made up for it by educating themselves in their Adult lives.

I would rather have Mbeki a man with an Economics Degree than Zuma with Standard 1

GML
03 Nov 2008 08:54

Hey, what happened with the Holomisa thing adn him walking out of the studio during the interview?

GML
03 Nov 2008 08:57

Did you guys hear?????

Jacob Zuma said that he would force all girls who are falling pregnant to go to a college and get degrees?

He said he will send all poor people and criminals far away where they will get an education. I wonder if he will send Malema to that college as well.....

Will he also send himself to that college?

Dimago
03 Nov 2008 09:18

Interesting read as always, OB. I am loving the unfolding of this new era in our country! Viva Democracy!!!!

I was suprised to hear Tim Modise back on SAFM...

@GS:It was a pleasant surprise....guess Xolani will take his 9-12 slot back.

GoldenSta
03 Nov 2008 08:18

Interesting times.
Mr Shilowa was on SAFM, he says the name of the new party is South African Democratic Congress. I was suprised to hear Tim Modise back on SAFM...

The SABC kodwa... 
Last week they promised to air the Shikota convention on Saturday and Sunday. Next thing they are also showing an ANC rally in Jabulani, Soweto. Mr Holomisa didn't miss the opportunity to point out that all that was just as a retaliation to the convention.

Mathaz
03 Nov 2008 08:18

The man in your first pictiure is Barney Pityane, i think the Vice Chancellor of UNISA.  He has been vocal about the happenings during Polokwane 2007.  Shikota are on a major publicity drive, today Shilowa was on Morning Live and Lekota on Sunrise.  I understand they set up a website, anyone who knows it please help me out, i might join this party.  Sounds interesting, i can't wait to check out their policies.

sweetie my baby
03 Nov 2008 09:40

observer, this is your best work yet - thank you for a brilliant summary and commentary - it rivals the weekend press that i read to get info on saturday's convention! two thumbs up!!!

tha - bang
03 Nov 2008 08:33

nce blog as always obsevor.we will see where the saga leads

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 08:38

Vavi was clearly a fish out of water on this debate. I never trusted Vavi and I think anyone who would base their political and career vote on this guy will remain in poverty for the rest of their lives. He has a tendency of saying things without regard of consequence and the impact thereof. Thanks Observer, 

It was interesting to watch that program, was looking at their faces as well, was so impressed with the way Lekota was behaving himself, you can see he is inteligent. 

As for Vavi, shame on him, I believe thats what happens when you do things without full knowledge/inteligence to respond to the issues

Msoe
03 Nov 2008 09:50

Nice article observer but I think that your writing was biased to say the least. I for one do not bealive in Lekota, i did not bealive in him when he was here in Lamontville so long ago. I also dont buy that he is intelligent, every next person will know where to hit a train that he has been part of for so long. No one has ever said ANC is without falt but I think that uLekota and his cronies are playing at those weaknesses to gain active whatever personal vendettas they have with the ANC. What i need to emphasise is that POLITICIANS will ALWAYS be POLITICIANS. Lekota like so many do not have the public's interest at heart, but revenge and that he wants to succedd because he was not taught to give up while he was in the military. Go on, buy his crap but believe me, some people after 1994 sayed kwakungcono kusabusa abelungu ngoba kwakunje kunje,,,, when isithatha le-party neyu niyothi kwakungcono yona le ANC esiphenduke into engafunwa manje after everything it has tried to do for le-democracy esikyona manje.

Cande
03 Nov 2008 09:51

Hey, what happened with the Holomisa thing adn him walking out of the studio during the interview?

apparently the interview was paused because they had to cross over to an ANC meeting in Soweto and he didnt like the fact that SABC gives ANC a lot of airplay..
So he left, and i saw him at the airport looking cuter than on TV..

GML
03 Nov 2008 08:53

There are serious problems in the ANC. One can tell in how they contradict each other. They have resorted to lying about Thabo Mbeki's letter and have publicly announced that people who want to leave the ANC must do so. While the very next day the President of the republic said he is willing to talk to SHIKOTA about differences and would try to resolve them.

A typical example of problems is when the MEC of Education in Gauteng Angie (who is also the president of the Womens league) said, after Malema's matric results were published, one does not need education to be a leader.

Surely a person who is involved in the development of the educations system should not utter such words. Yes, a lot of our leaders had no education but they made up for it by educating themselves in their Adult lives.

I would rather have Mbeki a man with an Economics Degree than Zuma with Standard 1

GML
03 Nov 2008 08:54

Hey, what happened with the Holomisa thing adn him walking out of the studio during the interview?

GML
03 Nov 2008 08:57

Did you guys hear?????

Jacob Zuma said that he would force all girls who are falling pregnant to go to a college and get degrees?

He said he will send all poor people and criminals far away where they will get an education. I wonder if he will send Malema to that college as well.....

Will he also send himself to that college?

maddie
03 Nov 2008 10:44

I was watching the convention on Saturday on ENews and the Jacob Zuma's one on Sunday, I must congratulate the ENews Team for their fairness in broadcasting both these events.

Saturday convention - my observations
 
the crowd was so well behaved and I like that.
they brought all other opposition parties to give their speeches as well, which in my opinion was very healthy.
what I also noticed about the crowd was that they were ordinary citizens, there was nothing glamorous, never mind the fact that they were in Sandton. 
different races - I saw blacks, whites, indians and coloureds.
Lunch - they recieved lunch and I'm sure they were in an air-condtioned place. who wants to sit under the scorching sun and listen to politicians while they are under a shade sipping their mineral water, I do understant in some situations of course.

Sunday Jabulani : Jacob Zuma - my observations

he addressed the crowd in isiZulu which was ok considering the type of crowd that were there. 
he addressed a lot of issues that were discussed in the Sandton convention in an impressive manner.

he said a lot of things some of which were teenage pregnancies and education. 
the downside to this type of rallies is that people never get the chance to ask questions and people end up clapping hands and screaming.

the stadium was filled to capacity - we must remember though that the stadiums are run by the municipalities and most municipalities are run by the ruling party.

one thing about Zuma is that he knows how to appeal to the masses, he said things they wanted to hear in a manner they're used to. Does he have the best interests of the poor at heart ? if he does then why does he keep on pushing this presidency thing when he knows we're gonna loose investor confidence if he becomes president  which will affect our economy and in turn affect the very same poor people that he wants to help.

I could write a lot but I do not want to write a blog within another blog.

I'm starting to love politics bathong, I'm considering being actively involved




Dimago
03 Nov 2008 09:18

Interesting read as always, OB. I am loving the unfolding of this new era in our country! Viva Democracy!!!!

I was suprised to hear Tim Modise back on SAFM...

@GS:It was a pleasant surprise....guess Xolani will take his 9-12 slot back.

Shuga babe
03 Nov 2008 10:50

@OB, thanks again for this article.
Seems like Two Thousand and Gr8, wasn’t that great to some of us.
I wonder how Nasty, Two Thousand and 9sty will be.

What makes me wonder is the fact that people of Shikota party are all from the ANC, which means they are the ANC but with deferent name this time. mmmm *rolling my eyes*. My VOTE means a lot to me, so I’ll have to think carefully of who I’m gonna cast it to.

SABC gave Shikota their time and they gave ANC their time. Well done there SABC, FOR NOT SHOWING ANY FAVOURISM. 

LOL @Holomisa. Kwa kwa kwa kwa!!!!!!!

Cande
03 Nov 2008 10:54

great observations Maddie

sweetie my baby
03 Nov 2008 09:40

observer, this is your best work yet - thank you for a brilliant summary and commentary - it rivals the weekend press that i read to get info on saturday's convention! two thumbs up!!!

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 11:15

I'm starting to love politics bathong, I'm considering being actively involved, I'm with you there Maddie.

As for Jiggaman,  sometimes he seems to be childish, the comments he made about the convention that it was held in an upper class area and he cannot afford to do that, which is why he used the stadium was just axacty what I expected from him.

Maybe he needed a wake up call, and now that Shikota us there, they will stop taking people for granted or people who cannot think for themselves.

Msoe
03 Nov 2008 09:50

Nice article observer but I think that your writing was biased to say the least. I for one do not bealive in Lekota, i did not bealive in him when he was here in Lamontville so long ago. I also dont buy that he is intelligent, every next person will know where to hit a train that he has been part of for so long. No one has ever said ANC is without falt but I think that uLekota and his cronies are playing at those weaknesses to gain active whatever personal vendettas they have with the ANC. What i need to emphasise is that POLITICIANS will ALWAYS be POLITICIANS. Lekota like so many do not have the public's interest at heart, but revenge and that he wants to succedd because he was not taught to give up while he was in the military. Go on, buy his crap but believe me, some people after 1994 sayed kwakungcono kusabusa abelungu ngoba kwakunje kunje,,,, when isithatha le-party neyu niyothi kwakungcono yona le ANC esiphenduke into engafunwa manje after everything it has tried to do for le-democracy esikyona manje.

Cande
03 Nov 2008 09:51

Hey, what happened with the Holomisa thing adn him walking out of the studio during the interview?

apparently the interview was paused because they had to cross over to an ANC meeting in Soweto and he didnt like the fact that SABC gives ANC a lot of airplay..
So he left, and i saw him at the airport looking cuter than on TV..

Holy Ghost Fire
03 Nov 2008 11:29

Miss Roef Meyer?

maddie
03 Nov 2008 10:44

I was watching the convention on Saturday on ENews and the Jacob Zuma's one on Sunday, I must congratulate the ENews Team for their fairness in broadcasting both these events.

Saturday convention - my observations
 
the crowd was so well behaved and I like that.
they brought all other opposition parties to give their speeches as well, which in my opinion was very healthy.
what I also noticed about the crowd was that they were ordinary citizens, there was nothing glamorous, never mind the fact that they were in Sandton. 
different races - I saw blacks, whites, indians and coloureds.
Lunch - they recieved lunch and I'm sure they were in an air-condtioned place. who wants to sit under the scorching sun and listen to politicians while they are under a shade sipping their mineral water, I do understant in some situations of course.

Sunday Jabulani : Jacob Zuma - my observations

he addressed the crowd in isiZulu which was ok considering the type of crowd that were there. 
he addressed a lot of issues that were discussed in the Sandton convention in an impressive manner.

he said a lot of things some of which were teenage pregnancies and education. 
the downside to this type of rallies is that people never get the chance to ask questions and people end up clapping hands and screaming.

the stadium was filled to capacity - we must remember though that the stadiums are run by the municipalities and most municipalities are run by the ruling party.

one thing about Zuma is that he knows how to appeal to the masses, he said things they wanted to hear in a manner they're used to. Does he have the best interests of the poor at heart ? if he does then why does he keep on pushing this presidency thing when he knows we're gonna loose investor confidence if he becomes president  which will affect our economy and in turn affect the very same poor people that he wants to help.

I could write a lot but I do not want to write a blog within another blog.

I'm starting to love politics bathong, I'm considering being actively involved




Shuga babe
03 Nov 2008 10:50

@OB, thanks again for this article.
Seems like Two Thousand and Gr8, wasn’t that great to some of us.
I wonder how Nasty, Two Thousand and 9sty will be.

What makes me wonder is the fact that people of Shikota party are all from the ANC, which means they are the ANC but with deferent name this time. mmmm *rolling my eyes*. My VOTE means a lot to me, so I’ll have to think carefully of who I’m gonna cast it to.

SABC gave Shikota their time and they gave ANC their time. Well done there SABC, FOR NOT SHOWING ANY FAVOURISM. 

LOL @Holomisa. Kwa kwa kwa kwa!!!!!!!

kick-s
03 Nov 2008 12:01

@ Msoe
I'm not sure whether you wanted to call yourself Mosioua, after Lekota or not. If thats the case, i've highlighted the correct spelling.
First and foremost, ushaywa lulwazi oluncane. This country needs progress and for progress to happen, we need change. We understand why you don't support Lekota because he is supported by intellectuals.
If you believe in a leader who says in a court of law, that women are delicious, then we should really worry about you.

Cande
03 Nov 2008 10:54

great observations Maddie

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 11:15

I'm starting to love politics bathong, I'm considering being actively involved, I'm with you there Maddie.

As for Jiggaman,  sometimes he seems to be childish, the comments he made about the convention that it was held in an upper class area and he cannot afford to do that, which is why he used the stadium was just axacty what I expected from him.

Maybe he needed a wake up call, and now that Shikota us there, they will stop taking people for granted or people who cannot think for themselves.

Holy Ghost Fire
03 Nov 2008 11:29

Miss Roef Meyer?

GoldenSta
03 Nov 2008 12:29

<<the comments he made about the convention that it was held in an upper class area >> Thesh I also thought that was a cheap shot. The struggle was also about us being free to go wherever we want to go in this country be it leafy Sandton, the rural Qunu or wherever. His homestad in Nkandla is worth millions so nje he mustn't start...

<<If you believe in a leader who says in a court of law, that women are delicious, then we should really worry about you.>> kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa shoooo hayi

kick-s
03 Nov 2008 12:01

@ Msoe
I'm not sure whether you wanted to call yourself Mosioua, after Lekota or not. If thats the case, i've highlighted the correct spelling.
First and foremost, ushaywa lulwazi oluncane. This country needs progress and for progress to happen, we need change. We understand why you don't support Lekota because he is supported by intellectuals.
If you believe in a leader who says in a court of law, that women are delicious, then we should really worry about you.

GoldenSta
03 Nov 2008 12:29

<<the comments he made about the convention that it was held in an upper class area >> Thesh I also thought that was a cheap shot. The struggle was also about us being free to go wherever we want to go in this country be it leafy Sandton, the rural Qunu or wherever. His homestad in Nkandla is worth millions so nje he mustn't start...

<<If you believe in a leader who says in a court of law, that women are delicious, then we should really worry about you.>> kwa kwa kwa kwa kwa shoooo hayi

maddie
03 Nov 2008 13:48

If you believe in a leader who says in a court of law, that women are delicious, then we should really worry about you

kodwa nathi si delicious, can u blame msholozi for publicly saying that. kwa kwa kwa

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 13:55

My observation about uMsholozi is that , he is a smooth operator, a sweet talker, he knows that people like hearing sweet words, whether you can practice what you say is another statement.

The way he handle himself, makes one wonder what kind of leader will he be, who always wants to impress the crowd by saying the things he says.

Does he have an advisor? if not, please find him one, it will be to his advantage

kick-s
03 Nov 2008 14:00

Even I can advise him Thesh.

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 14:03

YOu better apply now kick-s, and start campaigning for them, as they need as much people to campaign as possible. the Vavis and Malemas are not doing it right this time around.

But you better not eliminate anyone

maddie
03 Nov 2008 13:48

If you believe in a leader who says in a court of law, that women are delicious, then we should really worry about you

kodwa nathi si delicious, can u blame msholozi for publicly saying that. kwa kwa kwa

maddie
03 Nov 2008 14:23

Msholozi mentioned that people are saying that ANC has driven all the intellectuals away, and they have intellectuals in the new leadership.

who r those intellectuals, why don't they come up so that we can see them, we only see the Malemas who utter rubbish in public, Vavi who can't answer questions properly in a interview but resort to shouting and name calling, gwede mantashe who made a blunder by selectively publicising a part of Mbeki's letter, Andy Motshekga who called people baloi(witches), and dogs. 

these are the people we're exposed to, so again I ask where r the intellectuals he's referring to. the only person who makes sense to me is Kgalema Motlanthe as for the rest qa ngiyabonga

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 13:55

My observation about uMsholozi is that , he is a smooth operator, a sweet talker, he knows that people like hearing sweet words, whether you can practice what you say is another statement.

The way he handle himself, makes one wonder what kind of leader will he be, who always wants to impress the crowd by saying the things he says.

Does he have an advisor? if not, please find him one, it will be to his advantage

kick-s
03 Nov 2008 14:00

Even I can advise him Thesh.

Cande
03 Nov 2008 14:25

ja Mr Motlanthe does make sense, why cant ANC make im the president?? i would vote

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 14:03

YOu better apply now kick-s, and start campaigning for them, as they need as much people to campaign as possible. the Vavis and Malemas are not doing it right this time around.

But you better not eliminate anyone

Dimago
03 Nov 2008 14:31

ja Mr Motlanthe does make sense, why cant ANC make im the president??
I don't think Zuma went through all this trouble just to hand over the seat to Motlanthe.

SADC should start talking policies, so we can make up our minds

Cande
03 Nov 2008 14:37

SADC sounds soo not right, wasnt there any other name?
We will be confused between the party & the SADC we knew all along

tha - bang
03 Nov 2008 14:40

lol and people say the era of debate is over in sa.you got to love this site

maddie
03 Nov 2008 14:40

if the ANC decides to put Motlanthe as President, that will be serious competition for the new party, because one of the reasons we considering voting for the new party is because we don't want Zuma to be president.

but then again he'll be president by name, he's still going to be controlled by NEC members, and we all know who they are

maddie
03 Nov 2008 14:23

Msholozi mentioned that people are saying that ANC has driven all the intellectuals away, and they have intellectuals in the new leadership.

who r those intellectuals, why don't they come up so that we can see them, we only see the Malemas who utter rubbish in public, Vavi who can't answer questions properly in a interview but resort to shouting and name calling, gwede mantashe who made a blunder by selectively publicising a part of Mbeki's letter, Andy Motshekga who called people baloi(witches), and dogs. 

these are the people we're exposed to, so again I ask where r the intellectuals he's referring to. the only person who makes sense to me is Kgalema Motlanthe as for the rest qa ngiyabonga

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 14:41

Cande, you don't want them to eliminate Motlanthe, 

Maddie, you are asking a good question, we want to see the intellectuals, to sweet talkers

Cande
03 Nov 2008 14:25

ja Mr Motlanthe does make sense, why cant ANC make im the president?? i would vote

Cande
03 Nov 2008 14:42

ja u right yazi Maddie, eish its a tough one

tha - bang
03 Nov 2008 14:42

SADC sounds soo not right, wasnt there any other name?
We will be confused between the party & the SADC we knew all along
 
we will get used to the name cande

Dimago
03 Nov 2008 14:31

ja Mr Motlanthe does make sense, why cant ANC make im the president??
I don't think Zuma went through all this trouble just to hand over the seat to Motlanthe.

SADC should start talking policies, so we can make up our minds

Cande
03 Nov 2008 14:37

SADC sounds soo not right, wasnt there any other name?
We will be confused between the party & the SADC we knew all along

tha - bang
03 Nov 2008 14:40

lol and people say the era of debate is over in sa.you got to love this site

maddie
03 Nov 2008 14:40

if the ANC decides to put Motlanthe as President, that will be serious competition for the new party, because one of the reasons we considering voting for the new party is because we don't want Zuma to be president.

but then again he'll be president by name, he's still going to be controlled by NEC members, and we all know who they are

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 14:41

Cande, you don't want them to eliminate Motlanthe, 

Maddie, you are asking a good question, we want to see the intellectuals, to sweet talkers

Cande
03 Nov 2008 14:42

ja u right yazi Maddie, eish its a tough one

tha - bang
03 Nov 2008 14:42

SADC sounds soo not right, wasnt there any other name?
We will be confused between the party & the SADC we knew all along
 
we will get used to the name cande

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 15:11

Guys, I just had to share this joke with you, 

kuBye ya'll... Ex-President Mbeki meets with Zuma and Julius Malema on the 8 Floor of Luthuli House. Zuma asks Mbeki, "Honourable Ex-President, why do you treat my supporters so badly?


"Well," says Mbeki, "your supporters are STUPID" Zuma frowns. "But how do I know the people around me are really stupid?" Mbeki sighs and says. "Oh, that's easy. You just ask them to do a simple task."

Like this. "Julius please go down to the reception on the ground floor and check if Zuma and I are there?" Malema runs off like a puppy to please his master to the ground floor.


Returns 7 mins later tired and panting. "No my baas you both are not there Mbeki smiles. "See what I mean" Zuma acknowledges" This silly ass should have used the lift"

Thesh
03 Nov 2008 15:11

Guys, I just had to share this joke with you, 

kuBye ya'll... Ex-President Mbeki meets with Zuma and Julius Malema on the 8 Floor of Luthuli House. Zuma asks Mbeki, "Honourable Ex-President, why do you treat my supporters so badly?


"Well," says Mbeki, "your supporters are STUPID" Zuma frowns. "But how do I know the people around me are really stupid?" Mbeki sighs and says. "Oh, that's easy. You just ask them to do a simple task."

Like this. "Julius please go down to the reception on the ground floor and check if Zuma and I are there?" Malema runs off like a puppy to please his master to the ground floor.


Returns 7 mins later tired and panting. "No my baas you both are not there Mbeki smiles. "See what I mean" Zuma acknowledges" This silly ass should have used the lift"

Pajero
03 Nov 2008 16:26

Nice one thesh...haaa ha haaaaaaa!
Julius Malema is just a puppet, I don't blame him bcoz whatever he's saying in the public was from his masters.  As well as Vavi.  The guys are good in making lots of noise.  I'm not in favour of either ANC nor the soon to be a new party.  The new party is promising but i'll also wait for their constitution.  I would encourage people to vote for any party other than ANC so that in the next elections they don't get 2/3 majority.  Absolute power corrupts completely.   South Africans please learn from what happened in Zimbabwe.  We are not in a revolution any more now ANC needs to change with times.  Zuma will die if he wont be elected as the next SA president.  For crying out loud the guy is a rapist, I don't care what the court said. The youth of South Africa please go an register and vote bcoz we are the future of this country.    

Shuga babe
03 Nov 2008 16:38

@Pajero,  you have no right to tell us who to vote and not vote for. I, as youth of this country will vote for whoever I  want to. * I rest my case*

Beyonce Knowles Bee
03 Nov 2008 17:29

I for 1 personally thnk dis Shikota is SA needed ol ths tym long! Weda sum pple thnk Shikota is nt gna work. I thnk its gud 2 knw dat dey wil take Anc out of their comfort zone. So mina as 4 1 i giv my blessings 2 Shikota. Cause if we all luk @ ol da former Anc stalwards lyk ur Delile nd Holomisa's non of dem managed 2 giv us anythng 2 thnk abt wen dey formed their parties, bt ths 1 is really shaking SA polotics which is gud since we ol go proud saying S A is democratic nd a republic which means we cn do as we please as long as our constitution supports it. So honourable Lekota nd Shilowa gud timing! U cud hav nt picked beta tymimg! Nd weda they wil deliver or they hav public interest @ heart dat remains 2 b seen. Nd i biliv dey olso deserve 2 b given a chance by da public, lyk we did wiv Anc 14 years ago! Mina m saying let dem giv us dos policies nd tel us wer 2 join dem nd dey hav my membership!

Sobza
03 Nov 2008 18:01

Thanks Observer for this piece, pity I did not watch it and on Saturday there was i load shedding. For me this is one party I will be campaigning for and I have started recruiting my family. Viva SADC (I don't like the name though).

I am looking forward to launch of the party (which will be on my birthday) December 16.

Beyonce Knowles Bee
03 Nov 2008 17:29

I for 1 personally thnk dis Shikota is SA needed ol ths tym long! Weda sum pple thnk Shikota is nt gna work. I thnk its gud 2 knw dat dey wil take Anc out of their comfort zone. So mina as 4 1 i giv my blessings 2 Shikota. Cause if we all luk @ ol da former Anc stalwards lyk ur Delile nd Holomisa's non of dem managed 2 giv us anythng 2 thnk abt wen dey formed their parties, bt ths 1 is really shaking SA polotics which is gud since we ol go proud saying S A is democratic nd a republic which means we cn do as we please as long as our constitution supports it. So honourable Lekota nd Shilowa gud timing! U cud hav nt picked beta tymimg! Nd weda they wil deliver or they hav public interest @ heart dat remains 2 b seen. Nd i biliv dey olso deserve 2 b given a chance by da public, lyk we did wiv Anc 14 years ago! Mina m saying let dem giv us dos policies nd tel us wer 2 join dem nd dey hav my membership!

Sobza
03 Nov 2008 18:01

Thanks Observer for this piece, pity I did not watch it and on Saturday there was i load shedding. For me this is one party I will be campaigning for and I have started recruiting my family. Viva SADC (I don't like the name though).

I am looking forward to launch of the party (which will be on my birthday) December 16.

Pajero
04 Nov 2008 12:26

My bad shuga babe, i didn't mean to offend the youth of SA.  Everyone has a right to exercise their rights in which ever way they see fit.  And that was not a direct order it was just something we need to think about.

Pajero
04 Nov 2008 12:26

My bad shuga babe, i didn't mean to offend the youth of SA.  Everyone has a right to exercise their rights in which ever way they see fit.  And that was not a direct order it was just something we need to think about.

The Truth
04 Nov 2008 15:02

Please leave His Excellency Hon Jacob Zuma alone
If I recall ..... He did nothing wrong
He is not guilty of any charge
He is a true leader... a leader for the people rich n poor people's person
And don't forget He is a pastor that is why he is always smiling
O seke wa lefeletsa bobe ka bobe and that is what he is practising
this brake away party will end no where
it is party for rich and educated people only
Zuma's party is a mixture of all race, poor rich etc

VIVA Msholozi VIVA

Pajero
04 Nov 2008 16:20

Interesting,  he'll have a huge following if he can open his own church.  The people really worship the guy.  

It sounds better to me if you can say VIVA ANC VIVA because afterall ANC is not just Zuma or is it?

Pajero
04 Nov 2008 16:20

Interesting,  he'll have a huge following if he can open his own church.  The people really worship the guy.  

It sounds better to me if you can say VIVA ANC VIVA because afterall ANC is not just Zuma or is it?

Firstdvd
06 Nov 2008 06:01

@PAJERO "...The guy(Zuma) is a rapist..." how can you say that? On top of that you are saying YOU DON'T CARE WHAT THE COURT SAID. Hai-ngeke, you sound like Mugabe there. Do you call your EXs RAPISTS?


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