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Lost (Episode 503) - Jughead

Written by six from the blog The Lost Chronicles on 21 Apr 2009
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Lost
Season 5, Episode 3
Jughead

A beautiful little blonde haired cutie made me want to cry. I wanted to cry for several reasons. Firstly, because he was Desmond’s and Penny’s son. A son! Des and Penny’s!! That just fills me with joy. It’s a beautiful addition to their already beautiful love story.

And of course, mostly, because his name is Charlie. Named, I am sure, not after his grand-daddy but after my favourite hobbit and rocker Charlie Pace. It’s absolutely absurd how much that makes me want to cry. I really, really miss Charlie and this was a beautiful sentiment in tribute to him.

Also, I had questioned Desmond’s motives after Charlie died. I wondered if he didn’t use Charlie to get to Penny. I guess that this answers my question. Desmond didn’t use Charlie. Thanks, Desmond. Again, absolutely ridiculous how much that makes me want to cry.

Anyway, before I flood the site with my tears, let’s move on to the recap.

Desmond and Penny are returning to England with their son, Charlie. Penny isn’t happy about it because she is genuinely worried that her father will find them. Desmond assures her that he won’t and leaves. At Oxford, there is no record of a Daniel Faraday ever having worked there. As Desmond leaves the campus, he sees the Department of Physics and enters Daniel’s old lab.

A maintenance guy finds him and Desmond gets a name and address from him. He goes in search of this woman and finds her in a vegetative state, apparently so after something Daniel had done. He learns that Widmore is taking care of all the bills, and finally, in desperation he goes to Widmore.
Widmore seems shocked to see him, but gives him Daniel’s mother’s address. But not before he tells Desmond to take Penny and disappear. Des returns to Penny and tells her that Daniel’s mother is dead, but Penny catches him out on his lie and tells him that they (she and Charlie) will go with him to Los Angeles because she knows that Desmond will never let this go.



Meanwhile, back on the island, Daniel, Miles and Charlotte and captured and taken to a camp site where Richard Alpert asks them if they came back for their bomb. Daniel professes to be able to disarm it and he’s led away to do just that.

Sawyer, Juliet and Locke interrogate the two that they have captured, but they are not talking. They do, however, speak to each other in Latin. Juliet speaks to them in Latin, telling Saywer and Locke that all Others can speak Latin. One of the captured guys kills the other Other and runs off to camp.

Locke and co follow him. Sawyer and Juliet go off to rescue Daniel while Locke boldly walks into their camp to speak to Richard. Sawyer and Juliet liberate Daniel and Locke chats to Richard. Time jumps and they are now in the future. Charlotte collapses, blood pouring from her nostrils.



Well. What a lot happened in this episode!
Where to start?!?! With Desmond, of course.

• Desmond learns that Daniel hasn’t told him everything. Naturally!!! This is Lost. When do people voluntarily give information that could possibly help?!? Even worse, he seems to have left behind an invalid Theresa Spencer. It’s not revealed what he did to her, but the janitor mentioned something about Daniel trying to send mice brains to the past.

We all know that Daniel was experimenting with time-travel. Did he get it right and use Theresa as a test subject? And it’s pretty clear that whatever happened to Theresa is now happening to Charlotte. I don’t hold much hope for Charlotte (unless the island decides to save her). Daniel didn’t or couldn’t do much to help Theresa; I doubt he can do much to help Charlotte either.

• Desmond seems shocked that Widmore funded Daniel’s lab and experiments. It shouldn’t be a surprise to us, though. Daniel was working for Widmore when he landed on the island afterall.

• Widmore seems to be afraid for Penny, telling Desmond to take Penny and go back into the oblivion that he came from. He doesn’t seem to know that he has a grandson. How sincere he is, however, I am unsure. Maybe he’ll have Desmond followed. But why would he if he knows where Daniel’s mother is anyway? Why not just question her?

• Penny and Charlie are now going to go with him to LA to find Daniel’s mother.

And on the island
• “Jughead” refers to the bomb supposedly left behind by the American government. Daniel says that they should fill it with lead and bury it. Is it the same bomb they disarm when they first land on the island?

Furthermore, how true is it that the US Army left the bomb there? If the island is unfindable, how did they find the island? Has it always been ‘invisible’ or did the incident that the Dharma people refer to make it ‘invisible’?



• Locke’s conversation with Richard was pretty brilliant. It was filled with little nuances that made me smile. You have to admire Locke’s audacity, though. He just strolls up into the Others’ camp, proclaiming to be their messiah, and does it without even flinching.

Well, we know that Richard at least tests out the theory that Locke may be right. We know that he visits baby Locke and presents him with the compass. At least now we know why Richard seemed to have been stalking younger Locke. But does Richard really consider Locke as their leader, or is he just a means to an end?

• The young whipper-snapper who claims that “that sodding old fool (Locke) couldn’t possibly know the island better than me” is Charles Widmore! Charles Widmore was an Other!! Awesome. I knew that Widmore must have been on the island at some stage of his life. He claims that the island is his and I have always believed that there was some sort of power struggle between him and Ben.

Ben either had him ousted from the island; or Widmore turned the FDW and moved the island back in time – hence the fact that he has been searching for the island for 20 years. Twenty years would also nicely coincide with roughly the number of years that Ben has been the Others’ leader.



• We also learn that this jump took them to 1954, prior to Dharma, it seems. Prior even to Locke’s birth. Obviously 1954 is important. Why?

• Something small was Juliet and the Others knowing Latin. “Other101” she tells Sawyer. What else did learn in Other101?

• What happened to Bernard and Rose and the others? Are they dead???

• I’d like to mention this. I’m not sure if I even heard correctly, but Daniel tells than woman Other that she looks remarkably like someone he knows. And Richard calls her Ellie. Is this Ellie the elusive Eloise Hawkings??

• Just how old is Richard? Why doesn’t he age? And if he’s always there, why isn’t he the leader? He seems to be the man behind the leader. I don’t think he’s Jacob though. When he tells Locke that they had to kill the soldiers, it seems to have been an order.



Daniel insists that they cannot change what happened. But how much of what happened in the past are because of events in the future? Did the Losties bring about their own fate? Did events during their time jumping create the circumstances that lead to the plane crash and the events that follow? I really think that as this season goes on, we’re going to see more and more proof of this.

I am really looking forward to next week’s episode. I wish that they could just air the episodes all at once!

What we learnt this week

• Jughead is the name of a bomb
• Penny and Desmond have a son named Charlie
• They are going to LA to find Daniel’s mother
• Richard seems to be ageless
• The Others know how to speak in Latin
• Charles Widmore was once an Other
• Daniel’s time travelling experimentations had a weird effect on a woman named Theresa

New Questions

• Why did Widmore get off the island? How did he get onto the island in the first place?
• How does Widmore know where Daniel’s mother is?
• Is 1954 too early for Dharma?
• What did Daniel do to Theresa?

Trivia from this site

• Desmond and Penny's child is named Charlie, sharing a name with the man who kept them apart (Charles Widmore) and the man whose actions helped them reunite (Charlie Pace)


• "Jughead" appears to be a Mark 16 nuclear bomb. The Mark 16 is more properly designated TX-16/EC-16 as it only existed in Experimental/Emergency Capability versions. Design yield was 6-8 megatons. Only five units ever manufactured, in January 1954, and deployed in an interim "emergency capability" role with the designation EC-16. By April 1954 they were all retired.

• In Charles Widmore's office, there's a painting on the wall with "Namaste" written on it. "Namaste" being the Hindi salutation often used by Dharma Initiave people, including Dr. Pierre Chang.

• Jughead was the code name for a bomb in the real-life Operation Castle nuclear test on Bikini Atoll. This test took place in March/April 1954. The bomb named Jughead was not detonated.

Screencaps from this site


Ellie the Other


Otherville before bricks


Sawyer



24 Comments

Alexino
21 Apr 2009 13:11

>>Also, I had questioned Desmond’s motives after Charlie died. I wondered if he didn’t use Charlie to get to Penny. I guess that this answers my question. Desmond didn’t use Charlie. Thanks, Desmond. Again, absolutely ridiculous how much that makes me want to cry.<<

And its here where I feel you should feel my wrath and all those who believes in Des.  Shame on you six, shame on you.. (wags finger profusely).

>>Daniel’s time travelling experimentations had a weird effect on a woman named Theresa<<

It has to be Minkowski's disease.  As Teresa's sister said that she travels mentally to different points of her past.  She is comatose because of not having a constant I think.


six
21 Apr 2009 13:37

>>And its here where I feel you should feel my wrath and all those who believes in Des. Shame on you six, shame on you.. (wags finger profusely).<<

Heee.  Well, you can't say it wasn't a valid concern.  But I am immensely glad that is isn't so.   Coz like I said, Des is a favourite of mine. :)  But if you like, you have my most sincere and heartfelt apology.

Re Minkowski's disease.  But how does that explain Miles, Sawyer etc etc not bleeding.  Who is their constant then.  But it does make sense. 

Alexino
21 Apr 2009 13:11

>>Also, I had questioned Desmond’s motives after Charlie died. I wondered if he didn’t use Charlie to get to Penny. I guess that this answers my question. Desmond didn’t use Charlie. Thanks, Desmond. Again, absolutely ridiculous how much that makes me want to cry.<<

And its here where I feel you should feel my wrath and all those who believes in Des.  Shame on you six, shame on you.. (wags finger profusely).

>>Daniel’s time travelling experimentations had a weird effect on a woman named Theresa<<

It has to be Minkowski's disease.  As Teresa's sister said that she travels mentally to different points of her past.  She is comatose because of not having a constant I think.


six
21 Apr 2009 13:37

>>And its here where I feel you should feel my wrath and all those who believes in Des. Shame on you six, shame on you.. (wags finger profusely).<<

Heee.  Well, you can't say it wasn't a valid concern.  But I am immensely glad that is isn't so.   Coz like I said, Des is a favourite of mine. :)  But if you like, you have my most sincere and heartfelt apology.

Re Minkowski's disease.  But how does that explain Miles, Sawyer etc etc not bleeding.  Who is their constant then.  But it does make sense. 

Alexino
21 Apr 2009 14:22

>>Re Minkowski's disease. But how does that explain Miles, Sawyer etc etc not bleeding. Who is their constant then. But it does make sense. <<

LOL.. thats the point where my theory falls flat on its face.. 

>>Heee. Well, you can't say it wasn't a valid concern. But I am immensely glad that is isn't so. Coz like I said, Des is a favourite of mine. :) But if you like, you have my most sincere and heartfelt apology.<<

Its all good..  I know your love for Charlie(s) and see how annoyed I was with the accusations so its understandable :thumbs up:

Alexino
21 Apr 2009 14:22

>>Re Minkowski's disease. But how does that explain Miles, Sawyer etc etc not bleeding. Who is their constant then. But it does make sense. <<

LOL.. thats the point where my theory falls flat on its face.. 

>>Heee. Well, you can't say it wasn't a valid concern. But I am immensely glad that is isn't so. Coz like I said, Des is a favourite of mine. :) But if you like, you have my most sincere and heartfelt apology.<<

Its all good..  I know your love for Charlie(s) and see how annoyed I was with the accusations so its understandable :thumbs up:

Alexino
21 Apr 2009 13:11

>>Also, I had questioned Desmond’s motives after Charlie died. I wondered if he didn’t use Charlie to get to Penny. I guess that this answers my question. Desmond didn’t use Charlie. Thanks, Desmond. Again, absolutely ridiculous how much that makes me want to cry.<<

And its here where I feel you should feel my wrath and all those who believes in Des.  Shame on you six, shame on you.. (wags finger profusely).

>>Daniel’s time travelling experimentations had a weird effect on a woman named Theresa<<

It has to be Minkowski's disease.  As Teresa's sister said that she travels mentally to different points of her past.  She is comatose because of not having a constant I think.


six
21 Apr 2009 13:37

>>And its here where I feel you should feel my wrath and all those who believes in Des. Shame on you six, shame on you.. (wags finger profusely).<<

Heee.  Well, you can't say it wasn't a valid concern.  But I am immensely glad that is isn't so.   Coz like I said, Des is a favourite of mine. :)  But if you like, you have my most sincere and heartfelt apology.

Re Minkowski's disease.  But how does that explain Miles, Sawyer etc etc not bleeding.  Who is their constant then.  But it does make sense. 

Alexino
21 Apr 2009 13:11

>>Also, I had questioned Desmond’s motives after Charlie died. I wondered if he didn’t use Charlie to get to Penny. I guess that this answers my question. Desmond didn’t use Charlie. Thanks, Desmond. Again, absolutely ridiculous how much that makes me want to cry.<<

And its here where I feel you should feel my wrath and all those who believes in Des.  Shame on you six, shame on you.. (wags finger profusely).

>>Daniel’s time travelling experimentations had a weird effect on a woman named Theresa<<

It has to be Minkowski's disease.  As Teresa's sister said that she travels mentally to different points of her past.  She is comatose because of not having a constant I think.


six
21 Apr 2009 13:37

>>And its here where I feel you should feel my wrath and all those who believes in Des. Shame on you six, shame on you.. (wags finger profusely).<<

Heee.  Well, you can't say it wasn't a valid concern.  But I am immensely glad that is isn't so.   Coz like I said, Des is a favourite of mine. :)  But if you like, you have my most sincere and heartfelt apology.

Re Minkowski's disease.  But how does that explain Miles, Sawyer etc etc not bleeding.  Who is their constant then.  But it does make sense. 

Alexino
21 Apr 2009 14:22

>>Re Minkowski's disease. But how does that explain Miles, Sawyer etc etc not bleeding. Who is their constant then. But it does make sense. <<

LOL.. thats the point where my theory falls flat on its face.. 

>>Heee. Well, you can't say it wasn't a valid concern. But I am immensely glad that is isn't so. Coz like I said, Des is a favourite of mine. :) But if you like, you have my most sincere and heartfelt apology.<<

Its all good..  I know your love for Charlie(s) and see how annoyed I was with the accusations so its understandable :thumbs up:

Alexino
21 Apr 2009 14:22

>>Re Minkowski's disease. But how does that explain Miles, Sawyer etc etc not bleeding. Who is their constant then. But it does make sense. <<

LOL.. thats the point where my theory falls flat on its face.. 

>>Heee. Well, you can't say it wasn't a valid concern. But I am immensely glad that is isn't so. Coz like I said, Des is a favourite of mine. :) But if you like, you have my most sincere and heartfelt apology.<<

Its all good..  I know your love for Charlie(s) and see how annoyed I was with the accusations so its understandable :thumbs up:

jem
21 Apr 2009 18:13

sawyer looks so hot in that pic!  great episode.  Desmond is the key to this all.... i am so sure of it.

Lingo
21 Apr 2009 19:25

>>Widmore seems to be afraid for Penny, telling Desmond to take Penny and go back into the oblivion that he came from. He doesn’t seem to know that he has a grandson.<<

Of course he's afraid for her, considering Ben swore to kill her!  What's outrageous is that he doesn't mention Ben to Desmond.  Another lame plot contrivance by the writers.  Also, Des and Penny have been hiding from Widmore since the rescue, so naturally he doesn't know about Charlie.

>>What happened to Bernard and Rose and the others? Are they dead???<<
The writers said in a podcast that Bernard and Rose at least did not die (we would have seen it), but other than that, don't expect any answers anytime soon.  I think we're supposed to assume that most of them were killed off as Charles implied.

>>Daniel says that they should fill it with lead and bury it. Is it the same bomb they disarm when they first land on the island? <<
They didn't disarm a bomb; Daniel and Charlotte disarmed a factory of poison gas.

>>Furthermore, how true is it that the US Army left the bomb there?<<
We've seen a hint before that the US Army had been there: way back in early Season 2, when Ana-Lucia notices that Goodwin is using a U.S. Army knife (right before she kills him).  And it's interesting to me that the Others take on the trappings of the peoples they defeat: here, they seem to be wearing Army fatigues and using Army tents.  Later, after killing off Dharma, they move into their houses and wear their clothes.

jem
21 Apr 2009 18:13

sawyer looks so hot in that pic!  great episode.  Desmond is the key to this all.... i am so sure of it.

Lingo
21 Apr 2009 19:25

>>Widmore seems to be afraid for Penny, telling Desmond to take Penny and go back into the oblivion that he came from. He doesn’t seem to know that he has a grandson.<<

Of course he's afraid for her, considering Ben swore to kill her!  What's outrageous is that he doesn't mention Ben to Desmond.  Another lame plot contrivance by the writers.  Also, Des and Penny have been hiding from Widmore since the rescue, so naturally he doesn't know about Charlie.

>>What happened to Bernard and Rose and the others? Are they dead???<<
The writers said in a podcast that Bernard and Rose at least did not die (we would have seen it), but other than that, don't expect any answers anytime soon.  I think we're supposed to assume that most of them were killed off as Charles implied.

>>Daniel says that they should fill it with lead and bury it. Is it the same bomb they disarm when they first land on the island? <<
They didn't disarm a bomb; Daniel and Charlotte disarmed a factory of poison gas.

>>Furthermore, how true is it that the US Army left the bomb there?<<
We've seen a hint before that the US Army had been there: way back in early Season 2, when Ana-Lucia notices that Goodwin is using a U.S. Army knife (right before she kills him).  And it's interesting to me that the Others take on the trappings of the peoples they defeat: here, they seem to be wearing Army fatigues and using Army tents.  Later, after killing off Dharma, they move into their houses and wear their clothes.

jem
21 Apr 2009 18:13

sawyer looks so hot in that pic!  great episode.  Desmond is the key to this all.... i am so sure of it.

Lingo
21 Apr 2009 19:25

>>Widmore seems to be afraid for Penny, telling Desmond to take Penny and go back into the oblivion that he came from. He doesn’t seem to know that he has a grandson.<<

Of course he's afraid for her, considering Ben swore to kill her!  What's outrageous is that he doesn't mention Ben to Desmond.  Another lame plot contrivance by the writers.  Also, Des and Penny have been hiding from Widmore since the rescue, so naturally he doesn't know about Charlie.

>>What happened to Bernard and Rose and the others? Are they dead???<<
The writers said in a podcast that Bernard and Rose at least did not die (we would have seen it), but other than that, don't expect any answers anytime soon.  I think we're supposed to assume that most of them were killed off as Charles implied.

>>Daniel says that they should fill it with lead and bury it. Is it the same bomb they disarm when they first land on the island? <<
They didn't disarm a bomb; Daniel and Charlotte disarmed a factory of poison gas.

>>Furthermore, how true is it that the US Army left the bomb there?<<
We've seen a hint before that the US Army had been there: way back in early Season 2, when Ana-Lucia notices that Goodwin is using a U.S. Army knife (right before she kills him).  And it's interesting to me that the Others take on the trappings of the peoples they defeat: here, they seem to be wearing Army fatigues and using Army tents.  Later, after killing off Dharma, they move into their houses and wear their clothes.

Alexino
23 Apr 2009 09:22

>>They didn't disarm a bomb; Daniel and Charlotte disarmed a factory of poison gas.<<

Thats what they told us Lingo.. who says it is in fact the case? 

Im not too sure of the Swan monitoring such a deadly bomb.  Firstly the radiation poisoning which just looking at Jughead could be responsible for a death and is responsible for some nasty hand injuries.  Secondly, you put a person into isolation from the world with no significant reason and expect him to protect the island from such a dangerous device?  Also the fail safe which Desmond turns will in my mind then release the contraption preventing Jughead from exploding and trust me you wont just get a blue sky.. think Chenobyl like disaster rather.

Alexino
23 Apr 2009 09:22

Excuse me.. purple sky.

Alexino
23 Apr 2009 09:22

>>They didn't disarm a bomb; Daniel and Charlotte disarmed a factory of poison gas.<<

Thats what they told us Lingo.. who says it is in fact the case? 

Im not too sure of the Swan monitoring such a deadly bomb.  Firstly the radiation poisoning which just looking at Jughead could be responsible for a death and is responsible for some nasty hand injuries.  Secondly, you put a person into isolation from the world with no significant reason and expect him to protect the island from such a dangerous device?  Also the fail safe which Desmond turns will in my mind then release the contraption preventing Jughead from exploding and trust me you wont just get a blue sky.. think Chenobyl like disaster rather.

Alexino
23 Apr 2009 09:22

Excuse me.. purple sky.

Lingo
23 Apr 2009 21:15

True: a key wouldn't disarm a nuclear bomb or whatever.  Nor could a Jughead destroy the entire world.

False: that they wouldn't leave a single (or pair of) crazy isolated person(s) in charge of protecting the island/world from such a dangerous device, because they apparently did!

But anyway, you've convinced me that it's probably not under the Swan.  I think it must be in some third location.  The Tempest just didn't look like a place which kept nuclear whatever.  Plus, whoever wanted to use that weapon probably wanted the island to be habitable afterward, which precludes nuclear radiation.  Third, why would Daniel and Charlotte lie in such a way??

Lingo
23 Apr 2009 21:15

True: a key wouldn't disarm a nuclear bomb or whatever.  Nor could a Jughead destroy the entire world.

False: that they wouldn't leave a single (or pair of) crazy isolated person(s) in charge of protecting the island/world from such a dangerous device, because they apparently did!

But anyway, you've convinced me that it's probably not under the Swan.  I think it must be in some third location.  The Tempest just didn't look like a place which kept nuclear whatever.  Plus, whoever wanted to use that weapon probably wanted the island to be habitable afterward, which precludes nuclear radiation.  Third, why would Daniel and Charlotte lie in such a way??


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