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Who are we to judge

Written by Cody from the blog Jehova-Nisi: TVSA Home Cell/Bible Study Group on 02 Sep 2009
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Who are we to judge? 




As I have matured with age, I have learnt that it is wrong to judge someone unless you have really walked a kilometer in their shoes, in that way when you judge them and condemn yourself in the process you are far enough not to get smacked and the best thing is you have their shoes. LOL

We usually fail to understand why people stay in abusive relationships, why do they go out with a married man/woman, why would they have sex before marriage and end up with “oops” babies or contract HIV, why do they swear and hurt people in the process of their actions. WHY DO THEY SIN WHEN THEY KNOW IT IS WRONG? We tend to conclude that they must be either stupid or disobedient, or we sit there judgmentally and point fingers to them in shame and sometimes begin disowning them as friends and distancing ourselves from them.
We are told in Matthew 7: 1 - 5 Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you. “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in someone else’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? How can you say, ‘Let me take the
speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from the other person’s eye.

We are reminded that before you pass judgment on anyone, or point at their wrong doing, you need to assess yourself and be sure that you are not living against God’s will and getting yourselves in situations that He will not approve of. Once you have cleaned your own ways, only then you will be able to see their faults.

When you have eventually removed the speck in your eye, only can you start seeing their wrong doing. When you notice their sins you are not to judge them but do what Paul encouraged the Galatians to do (Galatians 4:1 – 2) Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ.

Romans 2: 1 -3 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. So when you, a mere human, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgement?

The act of judgement is an act of pride. It involves looking to our own store of knowledge, putting together a few facts, figures or fancies, and coming up with some sort of answer or solution to a given problem or situation. It’s an act of monumental pride. When you judge another, you have taken upon yourself an awesome responsibility for making the correct judgement. As a human you will be judging your fellows according to human standard. After all, your judgement is not necessary; we have no right to stand in judgement of our fellow human beings. What you don't see, don't understand, is that your judgement leads to suffering - your own suffering.

When someone does wrong, yours duty is not to try and understand, yours is to hold their hand and guide them in the right direction, GENTLY, not to look down on them, but to be supportive of them. Guide your fellow and let God do the judging!!




42 Comments

Cody
02 Sep 2009 16:59

We are back in the game

Cody
02 Sep 2009 17:06

why would they have sex before marriage

Eish watse ba ke eng Nice....this is going to hurt a bit.LOL!

FK
02 Sep 2009 17:07

Thanks Nice and Cody - I have been waiting so long for this.

Now lemme read

FK
02 Sep 2009 17:36

Thanks again Nice.  I have been waiting for some spiritual write up for some time now.  I've missed sharing with the bloggers.

You have raised something that most people when they are being biblically rebuked / corrected, they feel that they are being judged.  Correction is not judgment, as the Bible says that we should correct, rebuke and be bold to those who are sinning.

"Judge not, that ye be not judged" (Matthew 7:1). It is true that there are certain forms of judgment that we are not meant to make. The above verse is referring to one of these forms. However, there are instances where the Bible says that we need to judge. John 7:24. We need to read other verses and not only the one above.

When you see your brother / sister doing wrong, we should only correct in a humble way as an act of love. The Bible indicates to boldly correct people in an effort to bring them to repentance.

Rebuking a sinner, exposing corruption, correcting someone in love or disciplining ones children is not judging. If so, Jesus and the Apostles who were our example to follow would have been in error. I believe that the Devil is lying to people to convince them that Biblical correction is judging. Therefore, many believe that it is fine to go on sinning and not obey God by warning others.

Toxic
02 Sep 2009 17:42

Thanks Nice. It's really difficult to NOT judge cause most often when we judge we're not consciously aware that we're doing it. it's almost a reflex emotion. I try to remember to hate the sin and not the sinner (hate the game, not the playa typa thing) and it really is easy to forget to do it.

I guess one has to constantly remember the 3 fingers pointing back at us when we point fingers and judge.

Toodecent
02 Sep 2009 18:30

I loved reading this..thank you!

mathata
02 Sep 2009 18:33

ther is no life without judgement,we have good one n bad one,the main thing is how they say it.

if ppl they dont judge you.....you dont have life! you wont improve,sometimes  in life we need some cursing so we can be mold.

most of the time i like to say ... let them talk God will bless me,yes he will bless me buy realising what is wrong n right.

if ppl have some  challenges they will come with some excuses .nomatter how good you are judgement will always gonna be ther,it make you to be who you are.

why ppl when they say good things we accept but when they judge we start to have a problem,life has two side

monwy
02 Sep 2009 18:49

eish...I wnt judge peeps again

VusiK
02 Sep 2009 19:03

I sometimes wish I could engage these discussions, but I am not party to any form of secular religion, as a consequence, I am a silent blogger on these

Very interesting.

It is important to keep an eye on the fact that our opinions are environmental and consequently as situational as our experiences.

Goodnight People.

mathata
02 Sep 2009 19:27

guys if i inherit bad spelling dont you think you have the right to tell me,so i can fix it?

FK
02 Sep 2009 19:40

@ mathata - yes, hence I said people should not confuse correcting with judging.

If I point out your bad spelling, I am correcting you, and not judging you.

Now people have a tendency when they are being told about their wrong doings, they label it being judged and quote that verse.

Judging is when you say to a person "you will not see heaven".  "And I am a better sinner that you are"

Who are you to know who will and will not go to heaven?  Another example - judging whether someone is born again or not born again is wrong.  Only God can judge that..

nice
02 Sep 2009 19:44

Thanks Cody and stay blessed.

As you correctly say it FK :correction is not judgement

There is a blurred line, between correcting and judging. The main difference and the thing that matters most is how you correct a person and guide them towards the will of God. When a person is rebuked harshly then they will feel like they are being judged because the person who is correcting them may be doing it in a way that belittles the other. The book of Titus (dont know the verses) talks a lot about rebuking and encourages Christians to do so, but it emphasises being gentle. It emphasises mercy and grace. Yes rebuke your fellow brothers and sisters, but let your words be covered by grace.

When you judge another, you have taken upon yourself an awesome responsibility for making the correct judgement
Yes, if you are going to judge anyone..........you had better make sure that your judgement is just and correct, it is not based on human standards. God is the only person with the authority to judge because his judgement is righteous. In contrast to humans who judge by human standards. Our judgement as humans will be influenced a lot by our experiences and circumstances.....they may not be correct, but we may think they are just because of what we know and have experienced. Why take such a heavy responsibility upon yourself as a person, why risk making the incorrect and unfair judgement and condemn yourself. Let God do it, while you focus on guiding a person.  

FK
02 Sep 2009 19:56

Amen Nice

Titus 1:13
This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 

Titus 2:15 
These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee."

FK
02 Sep 2009 20:03

When I say adultery is wrong, I'm not judging, however, when I say adulterers wont see heaven, then I'm judging.

mathata
02 Sep 2009 20:11

wow i got you,

Green.arrow
02 Sep 2009 20:21

Home cell back..yeayy..thank you nice le cody......modimo a le shegofatseng hle...

And oh! what a relevant piece for me today.......i've been pondering about it,certainly would love to learn and grow in this regard.

As i was reading on diferent forums the debate about last night's generation,i kept thinking that there must be a better,tactfull...certainly Goldy (for us Christians) manner in which we must engage issues such as that...and generally to engage one another when we feel we have erred (in any way whatsoever)....

Lemme read again....


mathata
02 Sep 2009 20:28

@Green arrow,ngwaneso tumelo yona! e thata 

Green.arrow
02 Sep 2009 20:43

Nna ke nagana gore gantshi ke rena re e thatafatsang tumelo ye mathata.......
And i believe that mostly its because we dont know  as much as we should about what we choose to believe in so that we can apply it appropriately...
Hence,ke ya e thabela homecell because re ya rutega and re ya gola....

I promise you today nne ke le frastrated because i wanted to join in on the generations debate,but i did not want to shoot my mouth off in a way that  would not please God.....

extinct
03 Sep 2009 07:15

The most thing is that ppl dont know correction and judging like fk puts it but the major thing is how you correct the next person all things should be based on love correcting someone to help them grow not sayin im a better person than you I remember one sunday at church as i went to the toilet some lady followed me and she asked me if she can fix my top i said yes then she pulled it up and pinned it on the sites and explained that next time when i wear such tops how i should wear them cause my boobs were

extinct
03 Sep 2009 07:18

Were just too out and i felt rebuked and who does she think she is but because she did it out of love and corrected me not only that she gave the solution to the problem when i got home i thought bout it but because i also knew the truth i felt so much love for her and in our correction love must be the root and give solutions to how to correct next time

blueroze
03 Sep 2009 07:46

WHY DO THEY SIN WHEN THEY KNOW IT IS WRONG
because people are in the flesh and the flesh enjoys that which is wrong. it is human nature but one has to meditate on the word so that he not falls into all sort of temptations


wow, Nice this is too nice. thank you for the word it was a nice rad in deed

maddie
03 Sep 2009 08:13

FK  - thanks ngwaneso for putting it nicely.

I alwas find that people confuse correcting with judging.

in most cases when Christians come out and say that certaing things are wrong accrording to the bible, they are being accused of being judgemental which i think is unfair

Tash 1
03 Sep 2009 08:30

Great article, thou shalll not judge. Wow!!

Savanah Dry
03 Sep 2009 08:46

Nice article ... 

As a christian sometimes when you try to rebuke someone it is usually taken as being judgemental in most cases people would call you Miss high and Mighty or they say "its not as if you dont do wrong yourself"
Now its better explained that we are not to judge but point the correct way

Mathaz
03 Sep 2009 08:47

FK you explain to so well.

True that Maddie, people are not comfortable when you point out their faults or sins according to the Bible.  It also does not sit well withm e if i'm rebuked but since Jesus lives in me, i'm quick to discipline my flesh and see where i have made a mistake and therefore correct myself.

Best-Achiever
03 Sep 2009 09:43

Thanks Nice and Cody

It is real a pity that when a person who is known to be a Christian correct others, they are wrongly accused of being “holier than thou” or “judgmental” .... and often times things that make people to end up being labelled like that is the fact that we only quote the vesre that we belive is relevant on that certain scenario, we forget to read the whole Scripture first, get the whole picture so that when we quote, we dont quote out of context, that's the mistake we commonly make. 

Every Scripture verse should be read in its context, if we are to properly understand the true meaning.This very same chapter in verse 2-5 it makes it clear that the 'judgement ' that we are told not to do in verse 1 is referring to hypocritical judgment. A brother who has a plank in his own eye should not be judging the brother who may have a speck of sawdust  in his eye. Here,  Jesus warns against judging someone else for his sin when you yourself are sinning even worse. That is the kind of judging Jesus told us not to do. If a believer sees another believer sinning, it is his Christian duty to lovingly and respectfully confront the person with his sin (as said in Matthew 18:15-17). This is not judging, but rather pointing out the truth in hope and with the ultimate goal of bringing repentance in the other person (James 5:20) and restoration to the fellowship. 

But we often times stick to "Judge not, that you may  not be  judged, " to attack those who expose wrong doing, we need to learn to read the entire chapter and get the understanding of why the certain things were said. 

The Bible says:
"Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment " (John 7:24). Here, the Bible tells us that we are to "judge righteous judgment, " which is judgment based upon the Word of God. If judgment is made upon any other basis, other than the Word of God, it is when we can come with Matt. 7: 1. The faithful Christian must discern or judge on the basis of God's inspired law, the Bible. 

Thanks once more guys, this was missed

FK
03 Sep 2009 13:54

@B.A I couldn't have said it better

But we often times stick to "Judge not, that you may not be judged, " to attack those who expose wrong doing, we need to learn to read the entire chapter and get the understanding of why the certain things were said. 

Best-Achiever
03 Sep 2009 13:58

i jut finished now reading the comments and saw that what i said, you already said it FK, very informative things you wrote

zozoe
03 Sep 2009 14:01

OH I DIDNT SEE IT 
THANKS SERVANTS LEMME READ....

FK
03 Sep 2009 14:02

@ BA  You know, there is a lot of debate going on in the Gen blog regarding that Janzo kiss.  And scripture is being misquoted.  I wanted to comment mara .........

Best-Achiever
03 Sep 2009 14:14

LOL FK , lemme go there and read ... well my friend you need to be bold and stand up for what you believe in,  let the truth be known and allow people to choose whetehr to take or ignore it. ..will go check it out

Green.arrow
03 Sep 2009 23:00

ladies..you have put it so well. 
The interesting thing though is that even though Christians know that being judgemental is wrong, they still do it, yet they are convinced that they are being more corrective than judgemental.

I think its also the art of talking as emphasised a lot in Proverbs...love love love...grace grace..

I have a feeling that unless this is discussed as it is on this blog at church, we will find a lot of judgements at church or by christians a lot....sadly...., and i hope that we will all have correct-able hearts inspite of how the correction is administered. And then do it properly unto others...

There is a thin line between being judgementals and correcting as u guys have pointed out, and it seems there is also a thin line between being complacent christians and "avoiding being judgemental". In an attempt to be loving to my little brothers and sisters and some of my friends, ,i have let them get away with a couple of not so good things,i have perpetuated bad behaviour sometimes. This is beacuse i thought excersing an iron fist like my sister would break them or something......
And in retrospect,i think tht in cases were she did exersize her iron fist,she wwas effective....
???...

Green.arrow
04 Sep 2009 11:47

and uhm..guys i dare to ask....
Can someone explain the principle or the idea of ex communication at some churches when someone has sinned or something to that effect?

I have seen it happen a lot closer to home...and I can think of a couple of high profile cases such as the american high Pastore Ted Haggard...

Lela
04 Sep 2009 14:35

All I know is that the principle of excommunication is biblical,will come with the scripture on Monday or anyone else who knows it by heart please help.

FK
04 Sep 2009 15:11

Well GA - in our church there are different ways of going about it.  

Scenario 1 - If someone sins against you, the first step is to talk to that person in private. If there is no change, then it is discussed in front of two or three, then to the whole local gathering. If the person does not change, there is nothing much that is done except to pray for him.  Though the bibles says that such a person must be treated as an outcast - pagan (Matthew 18:15 - 17)

Scenario 2 - If someone falls pregnant out of wedlock, they are being disfellowshiped.  That person can't hold church office.  However, they can have the Lord's supper and fellowship with the others.  But they can not be a full member.  They lose the membership status and everything elese that goes with being a full member.

I know some churches will bar that person from taking part in the Lord's supper and the other services and some can't even be in the church building.  With our church, we allow them to be part of us.  They can attend the service.

The disfellowshiped person is not to be treated as an enemy, but needs to understand the gravity of their disobedience.

Green.arrow
07 Sep 2009 11:46

hmmmm....Ke a kwa FK....but i have a huge reservation lump on my throat.

We had a case of pregnancy at Church, by one of the brothers in the band (He is quite good with the drums), and the pastors spoke about what to do with him, and there were divided opinions. One was to have him stop being in the band,perhaps even more extreme, and the other opinion was that of talking to him and letting him continue. Why?
Because (the other pastors argued) what we generally do is condemn people who have comminted sins we can point at,like a big tummy, like a husband cheating (which we only know because someone exposed the truth) etc.....while everybody sins probably on a daily basis.
If Sin is all equall to God, then everybody would be excommunicated, because we lie, we dont treat each other with love etc etc...exept no-one sees all that

The decision was to let him continue as he was recieving counceling and guidence etc. The head pastor read Psalm 51 for him:

Psalm 51
1 Have mercy on me, O God, according to your unfailing love; according to your great compassion blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash away all my iniquity and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I know my transgressions, and my sin is always before me.
4 Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight,
so that you are proved right when you speak and justified when you judge.
5 Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me.
6 Surely you desire truth in the inner parts [a] ; you teach [b] me wisdom in the inmost place.
7 Cleanse me with hyssop, and I will be clean; wash me, and I will be whiter than snow.
8 Let me hear joy and gladness; let the bones you have crushed rejoice.
9 Hide your face from my sins and blot out all my iniquity.
10 Create in me a pure heart, O God, and renew a steadfast spirit within me.
11 Do not cast me from your presence or take your Holy Spirit from me.
12 Restore to me the joy of your salvation and grant me a willing spirit, to sustain me.
13 Then I will teach transgressors your ways, and sinners will turn back to you.
14 Save me from bloodguilt, O God, the God who saves me, and my tongue will sing of your righteousness.
15 O Lord, open my lips, and my mouth will declare your praise.
16 You do not delight in sacrifice, or I would bring it; you do not take pleasure in burnt offerings.
17 The sacrifices of God are [c] a broken spirit; a broken and contrite heart,
O God, you will not despise.
18 In your good pleasure make Zion prosper; build up the walls of Jerusalem.
19 Then there will be righteous sacrifices, whole burnt offerings to delight you;
then bulls will be offered on your altar.

It was my first real encounter with this Psalm and i took it for myself. 
If a person has had genuine repentance by God, i dont see why they should be excommunicated or disfellowshiped. The worst case in the big churches,is to have pastors who have erred move out of the country or state. I think it highlights more people's judgments and prejudices than anything.....sadly,not just any people, christians.

This issue is like the practice of saying bless you when people sneeze,it does not sit well in me.

The disfellowshiped person is not to be treated as an enemy......very true , but needs to understand the gravity of their disobedience......heaaavy, so heavy that for a second i started to think of the "heavy offenders/sinners" that need to hear and understand this,of which im not coz i dont do terribly bad staff (atleast when people are watching)....But thats exactly the problem,what you are saying is soo true, but i feel that it should not be exclussive to only some acts of disobedience.....we should all always meditate on the gravity of any

Ms. Jay
07 Sep 2009 11:52

lemmmeeee read.........welcom back Home cell....

Ms. Jay
07 Sep 2009 12:22

To FK: we also do something similar with regards to pregnancy out of wedlock, in our case the person is not disfellowshipped but removed from ministry position if they were in ministry for 6 months. Its the same if you caught cheating, stealing - the person formally apologises and they are counselled etc....its not a "punishment" in our case; if God can forgive that person why not us? The person partakes as normal in the services and after the 6 months they can come back to their ministry position.

You will find that after the 6 months, that person would have come to terms with the consequeces of their sin.....and would have learnt better how to deal with similar situations or future temptations.....

Green.arrow
08 Sep 2009 12:42

hmmmmm

Guys..i feel like a six year old with too many questions.....here is another one and i trust u guys will help me out objectively.
I see people casting off the person who wrote the anti Christ article in the name of Jesus etc.
I simply choose not to read it his articles and so i know it wont affect me if there is a curse or spell in there [like there apparently is on the wu tang clan album]. Just as i choose not to read other articles that dont edify me on tvsa and elsewhere.
Because there are a lot of things which dont have the nbame of satan stamped on them that we need to stay away from.
I dont know....are we not crossing the judgemnet thin line when we get his article removed,and call him names...and wish he can be hit by trucks and staff?
Or am i too complcanet that my complacency needs to be casted out of ne...lol...but seriously.
I know,i remember Jesus telling someone "get thee be hind me",cant rememebr who?
When i was little there was this family tht was notorious for whichcraft and staff,and my sisters and i would sing the song 'In the name of Jesus.....i have a vicotory" and when we get to the "When i call the name of Jesus,no one can stand before me..."(i feel like singing it now)...we'd says JESUS JESUS JESUS pointing at her house.....and she'd give us ugly scary looks...
Thinking back...i feel we were being childish,because because we were supposed to show love and respect to that family as Christians...and pray and cast of any potential harm in prayer between us and God...and trust that He is too powerfull,He will protect us should we bump into her....

I dunno....its been a while and ive wanted to ask someone...thot this article may be appropriate.....
Help guys!!!! 


FK
08 Sep 2009 13:31

G.A  - this subject is very difficult and differs from one church to another.  

I also have a problem with the form of discipline.  However, I have just learnt that in a case of flagrant violations of the law of God which have brought public reproach upon the church, the church may deem it necessary, even though a sincere confession has been made, to remove an individual from church membership to protect its name and its Christian standards.  Now pregnancy is very public, you cannot hide it.  

I think that christians are being harsh themselves, Jesus met a lot of sinners along the way, and the only thing he said was "Go, sin no more" or "your sins have been forgiven".  The bible says, if we confess our sins, He is just and faithful to forgive us and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

I'm still waiting for my elders to refere me to a scripture re disfellowship.

In the meantime, let us pray for understanding.

Green.arrow
08 Sep 2009 13:44

Ka leboga FK...my perspective is getting more and more objective about this....

In the meantime, let us pray for understanding....absolutely...
I presonally wanto to undretsnd this for the sake of those i affect. 
But i also wish it can be a hot topic on a bigger scale like at church (am gonna suggest it to my Pastors bcos its really bothering me). Because this is one of the things that subtlely kill people in the spirits and makes fellowship unpleasant......and that should be unaceptable within the body of Christ.

FK
08 Sep 2009 13:53

And as for the article, I don't want to open / read it.  I know I should be doing something.  Not doing something also is a sin in the eyes of the Lord.  He said, Go ye therefore and teach all nations.  He never specified.  He never said christians.  He just said ALL NATIONS.  Now whether these natiions have satanists, I still have a duty to fulfill.  

The reason I am not responding to that article is simply because I don't know what, and how to say it.  So at this moment, I will continue praying.  After all, conversion comes only from God.


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