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What would Jesus do?

Written by Cody from the blog Jehova-Nisi: TVSA Home Cell/Bible Study Group on 29 Jul 2009
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What would Jesus do??


Each and everyone of us is made by different circumstances that influences the people we become as we grow up (character), the decisions we make and the things we do in general. There may be similarities in the things we go through, but there is always several things that are different in our respective lives that make our responses to similar situations (trials) different. That is why it’s very important not to trivialize people’s hardships just because you went through the same thing and overcame it.

Someone once said that hardships can either make you or break you. The word of God also says that “all things good and bad work out for good to those who trust in God”. That is the hope of those who have been privileged enough to get to know this truth. Whatever the devil meant for our harm, when we bring those wounds to God we are healed and we are restored. However not all people are that fortunate. Some people become victims of their life circumstances, they are broken so much that the implications are generational, and then we talk about generational curses.

A person who was told they are ugly and stupid, that they will not amount to anything grows up believing that, to the extent that they make decisions and act according to what they think they can or cannot do. There are families that teach their children to embrace the fact that they are poor and they will die poor because that’s just how it is in their family. As if that is not damaging enough for a child, there is the societal condemnation of people that are financially poor. Where kids that come from poor background are excluded in the playground, at school and sadly even at church (this one makes me very sad and angry). The young girls that are sexually and emotionally abused grow up hating themselves. They give themselves to abusive man and habits because they don’t think they deserve any better. I can think of many examples, but these are just some of the issues that wound many people. Wounds that if not attended to could have destructive and generational implications.

Those who watched Prison break will be familiar with a character named T-bag Theodore Bagwell. He was convicted of killing several teenagers and then raping them while they were dead. He spent his teenage years in and out of prison for many terrible acts including animal “brutality”. While in jail he raped young boys and while on the run he left a trail of heartless/psychotic murders in an effort to cover his tracks.


(Some pretty bloody cold pictures of T-bag. I couldn’t find the pictures of the timid little boy he used to be)
 

What was interesting to me about T bag was when they showed was his childhood was like. He grew up in household that was financially poor and unstable with a father who drank a lot. He was molested by his own father as a child. There was one scene where the father was showing off to his drunk friends that the Bagwell breed is intelligent, and he made this little boy (T bag) give 10 synonyms of the word destroy. And the little boy called them out, all ten (Annul, Mutilate, Liquidate, Abrogate, Quell, Ravage, Expunge, Demolish, Extinguish and Extirpate). We all know about the power of the tongue, that out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks. Now imagine being knowledgeable about the idea/concept of destruction without any wisdom to go with that knowledge. I know that T-bag is a fictional character. And fictional or not, the things he did necessitated extreme measure in order to stop him. But I could not help relating the T-bag story to many real life situations of people whom I believe that the primary reason for their failures and lawlessness is the influences they had growing up. The things that happened to them (abuse be it physical emotional or verbal). The condemnation that they got from society because they did not fit into the ideal person superficially, materially or otherwise.

There have been several cases such as the Virginia tech and the Columbine High School massacres all over the world, SA included. There are polarized views about such cases. However I believe as do some people that the narcissistic, antisocial , aggressive etc. characters these young perpetrators portrayed were birthed by some influence or another. There are kids who drop out of school because of being bullied which not only affects their chances at making it in the world, but also affects the characters they grow to become (low self esteem amongst others). Sometimes the depression that is due to being bullied leads some to suicide. Then there is the bullies themselves, what makes them do what they do? More often than not, if you probe into where they come from you find that they are products of broken families. They have been bullied themselves somehow.


So in essence, in the case of the likes of T-bag and other bullies, it seems like we create the monsters we live with. It also seems that we are also responsible for the people that end up being defeated by life. Because we told them they are not good enough, that they are not the right social class enough to pursue certain things, that they deserve nothing good. We mocked them and discouraged them when they needed hope. We broke them with harsh and tactless words and treatments (directly or not). [this is encompassed in proverbs 12:18, proverbs 15:4 etc)


Its all one tragic cycle for which a lot of factors play a role. But the healing process has to start somewhere.



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A father of a child that committed suicide on a recent Oprah episode indicated the fact that the majority of people are not being bullied nor are they the bullies. Granted. But they are the bystanders. And as the majority it is expected that will have a better opportunity to intervene, to empathize, to condemn, to do or say something. And yet more often than not we are quite for whatever reason. It’s the impersonal epitome of democracy right?

I believe that what separates most of the people who made it inspite of their less fortunate backgrounds from those who didn’t from similar backgrounds is the influences they had. You may have been financially less fortunate, but coming from a family rich with love and courage that propelled you towards success. Or sometimes if the family had not been encouraging you meet some people (by God’s grace I always say) who will come and encourage you. Unfortunately for those who are financially less fortunate coming from discouraging, loveless, abusive families (such as T bag’s) their chances are not the same. More so if they never had the privilege of meeting encouraging people in their lives.



God does heal and restore the terrible wounds that have been inflicted on us by circumstances. Nommater how septic the wounds may have become. The lemons that life deals us God can indeed turn into lemonades. But God needs vessels. Pastor David Dubrain once said that God loves his people via proxy. Same goes for healing of those inner wounds. And WE are His proxy…bazalwane/baena/chsristians. We are supposed to represent Jesus in how we relate to one another. In how we talk and respond to one another. How we treat one another. How we treat the less fortunate (be it financially or otherwise). How we treat those who don’t know him.

So in the spirit of Ecclesiastes 9:11 [I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happens to them all…NIV], can we ponder about this questions.

• What is and what should be our response to the monsters we live with. What should we do to prevent anybody from becoming a monster? Should we feel anything for “monsters” such s T-bag and the young man responsible for the many high school murders/massacres? Is it our responsibility in anyway whatsoever? Should we care or should we just look out for ourselves and those close to us? What would Jesus do?
• How do we relate to the less fortunate people where we come from or where we are? Do we relate all? How do we and how should we talk to/about them. Should we care at all or is it just enough to focus on ourselves and those around us. What would Jesus do about the less fortunate?
• How do we treat and relate to one another. Are we careful of the things we say to one another? Because what could be a joke to me could be a dagger to the heart for someone else. Should we care and consider or maybe people need to stop being so sensitive? How would Jesus converse with us?
• Yes, the street kids, beggars (at the robot and elsewhere), that guy who is has been at the wits corner since before I came to Jo’burg. What should we do? Should we care? What would Jesus do?

I am sure scripture has something to say about this and I believe that it’s not only scripture that has something to say about this, so please let us indulge one another.




69 Comments

Best-Achiever
29 Jul 2009 15:21

Thanks Cody and Green.Arrow ... I am overwhelmed and very emotional right now because of the subject at hand ..so i'll first calm down then respond.

Great and very touchy subject

FK
29 Jul 2009 15:30

GA and Cody.  Thank you for this.  Still to read. 

The heading caught my attention.  This confirms what was said last week and the week before that the Holy Spirit is in our midst.  WWJD?  What would Jesus Do?  I read about this last week Wednesday.  We were discussing this in our church this past weekend.  And now here?.  God is great and works in mysterious ways.

Amen

mathata
29 Jul 2009 15:33

 @ green arrow, i like you alot my love ,you are sooo  darling.
'what will Jesus do with the  less fortunate' he gave us soul,what more can we ask from him.

in life you cant change anybody ,even a monster,the best  thing is to stay away,some of the things in life we must learn to deal with it.

dali
29 Jul 2009 15:55

i am deeply touched! what would Jesus do hi mpela.......

i forgot why i loved ma job from de start cause i've been doing it fo more than 3yrs. i will push so i can be able to help the under priviledged kids in ma village. im sure thatz why God put me here, he knows im a loving, caring person en my heart aches evrytime i c sumone in pain. im sure thatz what Jesus would do.

thanx greenarrow! thank God i read the whole article en im printing copies fo ma housemate en ma lil sis!lol

SuperTwinkle
29 Jul 2009 15:58

Powerful presentation and I am at awe.  Some few things came to mind while reading this, one of them was Mark 8:35 (I think) "take up your cross and follow me."  Another thing that came was "whatever you do to the least you have done it to me.  When I was naked you clothed me, when I was hungry you fed me..." and it goes on.  Another thing that came to mind was the story in the garden of Eden.  When Eve took a decision of indulging before she consulted with God; another one, when Moses struch the rock twice instead of instructing it verbally.

What am I saying?  Sometimes we find ourselves in such dire situations because we decided to take up decisions independently.  Jesus says "Come and let us reason together, though your sins may be red I will wash them to be like snow."  Sometimes we need to take an active step in leading people to God.  Gone are the days when we sit back and pray and expect things to happen.  This is life, you don't just sit back and let it go pass by.  When you are out of cash you get up and do something to generate some revenue.  

I think this begs some analysis on our part.  There are physical things we need to deal with and there are spiritual things we also need to deal with.  And life is one of the physical and we need to deal with it accordingly.  What would Jesus do?  Luke 2:52 says "And Jesus increased in wisdom and in stature, and in favor with God and man. " RSV.  I think we need to look at that and model that lifestyle.  I am thinking of so many things at the same time but will take it as we go along.

Mathaz
29 Jul 2009 16:20

What is and what should be our response to the monsters we live with. What should we do to prevent anybody from becoming a monster?

Jesus would not be judgemental about what they have done but instead shower them with love and forgiveness.  We have so many ills coz we do not love one another as we ought to, love can move mountains and is able to change the world.  We can prevent having monsters by restoring our families to God.  A family should be able to go to church, fellowship and pray together.  Teach our kids the word of God, ensuring that the book of like does not depart from their mouths and also be doers of the word.

How do we relate to the less fortunate people where we come from or where we are? Do we relate all? How do we and how should we talk to/about them. Should we care at all or is it just enough to focus on ourselves and those around us. What would Jesus do about the less fortunate? 

Pray for them and we should care about what's happening even if that family does not believe in God but through your actions they should be able to see the love of God in you.  Jesus never gave the less fortunate money but instead knowledge about God and the love of God for them.

How do we treat and relate to one another. Are we careful of the things we say to one another? Because what could be a joke to me could be a dagger to the heart for someone else. Should we care and consider or maybe people need to stop being so sensitive? How would Jesus converse with us? 

I always pray to God to guard my tongue, if i had sad something hurtful to anyone i know the Holy Spirit would let me know then i would later apologise.  The tongue is very evil and threfore needs to be controlled.  Words can break or make a person so i try by all means to always say something positive about people. 

Yes, the street kids, beggars (at the robot and elsewhere), that guy who is has been at the wits corner since before I came to Jo’burg. What should we do? Should we care? What would Jesus do? 

Well i do not give beggars money coz I don't know if they would use it for something demonic, if i need to give money to a beggar, I know the Holy spirit would let me know.  Jesus would tell them about the Kingdom of God.




Cody
29 Jul 2009 16:22

Good people, i was struggling with the uploading, thankx to BA. Sorry for posting it late GA, but we can still continue tomorrow neh? 

BTW, Great great great article girl! no wonder you took so long. you took your time neh? and it shows!

Ms. Jay
29 Jul 2009 16:35

Nice work GA and Cody, HI guys, I missed you guys every single one of yah.....<<<<<hug>>>>>>

WWJD - should rather be What We Should Do:

Isa 61 is clear and cut,and becoz we have been annointed we should go ye therefore and do what it says as we have been commissioned again by Jesus HIMSELF [Matt 28:18 - 20]; and if a person resists; the seed would have been planted - you go your way but continue to hold them up in prayer accepting that their faith is weak and not passing judgement on them [who are we to pass judgement on his creation] God will minister to them becoz you have followed His principles; that person would be a step toward recovery.

If you realise something - what you have described stems from one persons low self esteem; so once one person suffers with it, it spreads like moss on damp ground as they speak damning words into anothers life [and what you hear your spirit catches] and then they in turn go on and say damning things to another persons life [their spirit catches it] and so the cycle continues until you end up with a "monster"

You will realise that its important to speak motivation and exhortation into someone's life and when we rebuke them if we must; it must be because we geniunly love them and want to help them out & not point fingers and goss about them later on....

Even in churches were the gospel is heard its a serious mathatha....its easy to quote Rom 12:2 but the application is something else; I was telling someone not so long ago that as long pple don deal with root issues and go away making merry thinking they are now OK - certain mindsets will never be transformed until they realise the truth about the situation and deal with it bit by bit.

Ms. Jay
29 Jul 2009 16:43

The tongue is very evil and threfore needs to be controlled. Words can break or make a person so i try by all means to always say something positive about people.

James 3: 6 - 9 - this describes how "monsters" [please change this word Cody and GA we are cursing pple who have been created by a Loving Daddy.....] are framed;

So this is nothing new under the sun as Solomon would put it......

nice
29 Jul 2009 17:47

Should we feel anything for “monsters” such s T-bag and the young man responsible for the many high school murders/massacres? 
Once a person has set on to kill without accepting help , how do you make them see that being a serial murder / rapist is wrong? In that case you pray for their death and ask God to remove them from earth as they are destroying (I once prayed for Mugabe's death )

• How do we relate to the less fortunate people where we come from or where we are? 
Care for the less fortunate around you, and dont see them at any level lower than yours. The best thing will be to try and empower one person in that family rather than just giving and giving. Increase their wisdom where possible so they can survive even when you are no longer around. When you see people that are just not living the fancy life that you have dont assume that they need you to supplement their groceries, just treat them as you equals and when they need something they would be comfortable enough to ask for assistance when you treat them like humans and not beggars

Are we careful of the things we say to one another? 
"The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the
body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire,
and is itself set on fire by hell". The day I read this scripture and it sunk in my head and I asked God to always guide my tongue. I try to only speak positive things, (it is hard) and sometimes the kind of jokes of we laugh to can destroy a person. When someone makes a joke/remark at another person's expense, how you respond to it can make a whole lot of a difference and if you rebuke the evil tongue that person will think twice before destroying other people with their tongues in your presence. You just have to ask for the courage to do it.

Yes, the street kids, beggars (at the robot and elsewhere), that guy who is has been at the wits corner since before I came to Jo’burg. 

Oh Lord this is the part where I refuse to help, our government provides grants for the disabled and they still flood the roads like they are not receiving a cent, the guy at Wits does not appreciate the brown bread you give him as he is there just for the cash, to make a quick buck. When you look at these people they are washed and clean, and what they need to learn to manage their grants better and not waste. I realised on the scripture on Sun every time the son of man provided for the masses he always ensured that whatever was left over was collected and never wasted and this reminded me why I cannot tolerate the waste of food, no matter how insignificant. (I just cant remeber the scripture - I have difficulty memorising and I will get there one day) I feel sorry for the beggars but I just cannot bring myself  to assist and this is the part that I have said to my saviour Lord I just cannot be sucked into this emotional blackmail it is just too much, and I do not have the guilt anymore

Green.arrow
29 Jul 2009 18:13

Thank you Cody.....and i just saw your mail. Thank u BA for assisting.
This subject has been a big lump of pain in my heart for a while. And i knew you guys would help put into perspective. From a spiritual and practical point of view if that is possible. 

Point taken Ms.Jay,....Wow, and thats exactly the point, there is more to people who do bad than meets the eye. Especially characters like T bag who commit the most inhumane acts possible that the only way to describe them is to us the word "monster". while if it is indeed true that all things are possible with God, we should see and belive in the possible best out of them.....in our thoughts, from a distance...even in articles.

Well i do not give beggars money coz I don't know if they would use it for something demonic, if i need to give money to a beggar, I know the Holy spirit would let me know. Jesus would tell them about the Kingdom of God.
This one has confused me for as long as i can rememeber Mathaz. the guy at wits, i dont know how many times i gave him money...needless to say my little coins did not help him in the long run. My sister is the types who close the car window at the kids ko malibongwe. It hurts me all the time, but i know that coins for now will not help them in the long run. I dfinetly never thought about the possibility of them doing something "demonic" with the money.

And im just thinking right now, that the long term or radical solutions require a lot of commitmnet and time. Something that a lot of people (me included) seem to not have. ??????...for examples teeling them about the word of God????
But even the little staff cound right?

On James 3: 6-9 Ms.Jay...i just read it and im all the more frightened. I am so scared of hurting people so much that i exclude myself  conversations just incase i say something hurtfull.

Green.arrow
29 Jul 2009 18:33

lol nice..@ praying for them to die???

How do we relate to the less fortunate people where we come from or where we are?
Care for the less fortunate around you, and dont see them at any level lower than yours. The best thing will be to try and empower one person in that family rather than just giving and giving. Increase their wisdom where possible so they can survive even when you are no longer around. When you see people that are just not living the fancy life that you have dont assume that they need you to supplement their groceries, just treat them as you equals and when they need something they would be comfortable enough to ask for assistance when you treat them like humans and not beggars.....im taking this as if you are saying it to me. This practical part of it..... 

When someone makes a joke/remark at another person's expense, how you respond to it can make a whole lot of a difference....ssso very true. 
I love laughing, but i rarely ever laugh arround people, becaus more than half the times jokes ar made at other people's expenses. I keep thinking tact and grace guys. and the look in the eyes of the person who is being made fun of. I wonder how they are feeling. I worry about their response. I take it too heavy i have been told to chill???.......and the WWJD question comes up often here. I'd like to believ he laughed. But i wonder if he'd be laughing if He were arround us?

FK
29 Jul 2009 19:30

• What is and what should be our response to the monsters we live with.
I think Jesus would want us to show them love and pray for them. There is no one who is sinless in this world. Who are we to judge them? What makes us think that our sins are better than their sins? Sin is sin in the eyes of the Lord. There is no small or light, big or disgusting sin. All sins are the same. If you remember the scriptures, Jesus did not hate sinners but He hated the act – sin. We need to get off our high horses and realise that we have all sinned against the Lord and we all need forgiveness. They have broken the Thou shall not kill commandment. Breaking this commandment is the same as breaking the Respect your parents’ commandment. God says, if you break one, you have broken all of them.

• How do we relate to the less fortunate people where we come from or where we are?
We need to be Tabitha’s aka Dorcas of today. Her story is found in Acts 9 from verse 36. She was well-known for her works and charitable deeds. Among her good works was making clothing and coats for widows and the needy of her church and community. She wasn’t only willing to give financially; she was willing to give of herself to do the work the Lord had given her the talent to do. The verse, ‘I was naked and ye clothed me,’ Matthew 25:36 comes to mind when speaking of her. When Luke says that Dorcas was full of good works, he meant the word “full” to refer primarily to her inward grace, which prompted the outward deeds. In other words she wasn’t just trying to do good works; she was sincerely grateful to God for his saving grace and found her joy and happiness in doing the Lord’s work. She was content to be a servant of the Lord. It only takes a willing heart for God to orchestrate a miracle.

• How do we treat and relate to one another. Are we careful of the things we say to one another?

We’re quick to avoid murder, stealing, and drunkenness, but we often assassinate others and leave destruction in our wake by the way we use our tongues. Husbands have stabbed their wives with words that are as sharp as daggers and wives have lashed out with tongues that cut and pierce. Parents have devastated their kids by repeated blasts of venom. Children have exploded at their parents with volleys that have leveled the family like a bomb. And churches have been wiped out by wagging tongues that have sliced, diced, and chopped people to shreds.
THE CONTROL OF YOUR TONGUE IS A MARK OF YOUR SPIRITUAL MATURITY. This is confirmed by brother James in James 3:1-12 

• Yes, the street kids, beggars (at the robot and elsewhere),
I want to believe that the street kids are there due to various reasons. Be that as it may, they have shelters then can go to for food and maybe shelter. Do they want to go there? Some of them NO. Ba batla go ipusa. So, maybe we need to find the names of the shelters and the addresses where they can go and grab a soup cup and every time they ask for money, We quickly tell them about the shelter and most importantly tell them about the love of God. Possible? Anything and everything is possible with GOD. This should apply to the beggars as well. Lets share with them the love of God. And maybe, then we can sponsor the shelter instead of giving them money.

FK
29 Jul 2009 19:46

This boils down to loving others - your neighbours and enemies.  If we love them as God expects us to, we will know what to do and we will do exactly what Jesus would.  

John 13:34 "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

1 John 2:3 - 11
3We know that we have come to know him if we obey his commands. 4The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But if anyone obeys his word, God's love[b] is truly made complete in him. This is how we know we are in him: 6Whoever claims to live in him must walk as Jesus did.

7Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.

9Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness. 10Whoever loves his brother lives in the light, and there is nothing in him[c] to make him stumble. 11But whoever hates his brother is in the darkness and walks around in the darkness; he does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded him.

FK
29 Jul 2009 19:48

Guys please stop me.  This is tooooo long.  Askies Bazalwane.  Ke tshwerwe ke moya. O ya ntaela moya. 

FK
29 Jul 2009 20:02

I even forgot to thank GA for such a wonderful article.  It tackles our issues, real issues, things that we see and come into contact with every single day of our lives.  May the good Lord keep on blessing you and inspiring you guys to write more uplifting articles and lets continue to encourage each other to do God's work.

Phikza
29 Jul 2009 22:03

Thank you GA, for a wonderful article and all replies...God Bless you all

Lela
29 Jul 2009 23:10

Molweni Bazalwane!

Green.arrow
30 Jul 2009 00:07

FK please dont stop......
You are welcome Phikza...and thank you everybody for the replies. I am learning so much and I like dali have qualified my reasons and perspective about the subject at hand. And how to go about doing my part objectively.

And i just strogly feel that we should also pray for people that have been broken by whatever circumstances. I have noticed that just because people have made it in life it doesnt mean they are holistically ok. People are not living up to their full potential because they are scared,they have low self esteems steming from a hwole lot of those wounding life circumtsances. so many examples come to mind.

Not so long ago the topic was bout Faith. And we all know that faith without cations produces no fruits. I have been searching and asking about ho God ACTUALLY heals and restores borken herats and lives. And i kept coming across this two scripturs:

Matthew 11:28-30 ["Come to me all you who are weary, and heavy laden come to me, for I will give you rest for your souls. For I am humble and my load is light, and your shall find rest for your souls." ]

APsalms 34:18 ["The Lord is close to the brokenhearted and saves those who are crushed in spirit."]

How we get to God is through His word and prayer and fellowship etc. My search for how God goes about healing and restoring  boiled down to the fact that the onus is on us to go to Him so He can deal with us.

What happens when you are too weak to take any of the steps to Christ [i have been there]? Thats when i appreciated the importance of fellowship because there would be one person who gave me good council in my darkest time. Or scripture would come alive in my circumstance.
What happens when someone is broken and they dont know God? .....we have been given a mandate to go into the world (the great cmmision)......
I feel very privilaged to know Him because when things are hard, i know it could be worse or the outcome could be worse if it werent for Him Psalm 124.....but with that I know I have a resposnibility towards those who dont know Him.
I pray fro the heart of Tabitha and Dorcus (thank you FK....im gonna sleep on those two ladies).....

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 09:00

GA ..you know very well how close this subject is to my heart ... i know what Jeus did, i know what He wold do and what He expect me to do BUT what pains my heart is IM NOT DOING ENOUGH, im not even close to quater to doing what i know i must do....that where all emotions came from ...and if i think about this..i feel so helpless.

One of Christ's most famous parables is that of the Good Samaritan. In that parable He describes an injured man lying helplessly on a well-traveled road.
At different times two people—both of them religious figures—pass by the injured man and fail to stop to help him. "But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was. And when he saw him, he had compassion. So he went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine; and he set him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him. On the next day, when he departed, he took out two denarii, gave them to the innkeeper, and said to him, 'Take care of him; and whatever more you spend, when I come again, I will repay you'" (Luke 10:33-35). 

Jesus gave this parable in response to someone who had asked Him, "And who is my neighbor?" After giving the parable, Jesus asked, "'So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?' And he said, 'He who showed mercy on him.' Then Jesus said to him, 'Go and do likewise'" (verses 36-37). 

The last like... is the source of my pain

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 09:11

"Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free" (Ephesians 6:7-8, NIV). 

"Pure and undefiled religion before God and the Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their trouble, and to keep oneself unspotted from the world" (James 1:27 compare this with Matthew 20:25-28). 

Jesus did not condemn receiving. But He stressed that a better blessing will come from giving than from receiving (Acts 20:35). 

Jesus said to His disciples: "Freely you have received, freely give" (Matthew 10:8). "And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple, assuredly, I say to you, he shall by no means lose his reward" (verse 42). "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his master made ruler over his household, to give them food in due season? Blessed is that servant whom his master, when he comes, will find so doing. Assuredly, I say to you that he will make him ruler over all his goods" (Matthew 24:45-47). 

Giving and serving are simply putting God's love into practice. Paul wrote: "For you, brethren, have been called to liberty [from being slaves to sin Romans 6:20-22] only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another" (Galatians 5:13). 

Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king. Servants, be submissive to your masters with all fear, not only to the good and gentle, but also to the harsh" (1 Peter 2:17-18). 

"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love" (1 John 4:8) compare  this to (1 John 2:9-11). 

John tells us, God is love. Love sums up God's character, His motivation, how He lives and how He deals with us. He wants us to show love in all our dealings with others. 

We know what will Jesus do But what are we doing about that.

One think i know about Jesus...while He was travelling and ministering, He helped everyone he encountered on the streets, home and everywhere and we ought to do the same ... by provision and prayer.

FK
30 Jul 2009 09:12

Yo BA - you know I take things for granted.  I know this parable very well.  But reading it again here makes me realise that I am not doing likewise.  Thanks for bringing this here.  Who are our neighbours?  

You know, its either you love someone or you hate him / her.  There is no in between.  You can't be indifferent. So those you don't prefer, those who are not your type, those who don't move in your circles, Ba sa tsamaisaneng le madi agago, those you don't care about,  means YOU HATE THEM.

Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates his brother is still in the darkness.

The man who says, "I know him," but does not do what he commands is a liar, and the truth is not in him

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 11:20

Who are our neighbours?

FK … I will just share my understanding of this parable… I might be wrong, so I am open for other revelation or correction

Jesus intentionally leaves the man undescribed. The audience, being Jewish, would naturally assume that he, the injured man was a Jew, a person can be identified in one of two way either by his dress and/or  his speech (more so in the olden days where people used to wear according to their nationality) but this man was left naked and half dead, so it was very difficult to describe him in either one of these ways .

Jesus, chose to call him man and a man is any person, s/he described by ethnic background, stature or position, a man is simply a human being  despite his nationality, colour or tribe.

When the priest came and passed by, he didn’t know if the man was Jew or not and maybe he feared that if the person lying there is a non Jew the he could be risking dishonor, especially if the person were actually dead, so this might mean the priest was Jew (Jews were not allowed to mix with any non Jew people) but I’m not sure it can be the other way around, im simple implying that because Jesus was teaching this parable to the Jews
 
Then the Levi man, came and pass … "Levites were descendants of Levi but not of Aaron, and they assisted the priests (Aaron’s descendants) in the temple” at least Levites were mixing with Jews, he might have been able to help him but maybe he also feared for his life or maybe he saw the priest ahead of him and thought 'If the priest may pass then so should I' (dont we sometimes do that?) or maybe they both thought to themselves what if someone see them with the naked and wounded person and report to the officials that the priest and/or Levite committed a crime against the injured person?, we will never know

Then the Samaritan came, The Samaritans were a mixed race between the Jews of captivity and the Samaritan people of the land they were captive in. The relationship between the Jews and Samaritans was one of hostility because of some bad things that happened in the past, the Samaritan was also bound by the same law as the Jews(For Jews have no dealings with Samaritans, (John 4:9). The Samaritan would not be naturally from that area, so the half dead man would certainly not qualify as his neighbor(if we describe neighbor as next door person, or someone from same community), because this was Jewish area. The Samaritan risked dishonor and  approached this unidentifiable man and helped him. The Samaritan lost anonymity when he stayed overnight and then said he would return. 

Jesus gave this parable in response to someone who had asked Him, "And who is my neighbor?" After giving the parable, Jesus asked, "'So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?' And he said, 'He who showed mercy on him.' Then Jesus said to him, 'Go and do likewise'" (verses 36-37).  This 'Go and do likewise' simply imply that Jesus was agreeing to the defination of the neighbour as ''He who showed mercy on him, the injured man.''

So being a neighbor to someone is not limited to family relations or nearness. It is showing the love of God to all who are in need, whoever they may be, where ever they may be.

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 11:26

s/he IS NOT described by ethnic background, stature or position, a man is simply a human being despite his nationality, colour or tribe

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 11:33

these replies are long - I cant keep up today, I just heard the most disturbing news! as much as I try not to get worked up about it - its just making me more mad by the second! mxccciiiii sorry to hijack GA

magg
30 Jul 2009 11:33

people wher is zozoe shes been queit  i love replies shem does anyone have an idea wher Zozoe?

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 11:35

magg... Zozoe is still very much alive, maybe she is occupied by work but im certain she is alive i was talking to her this morning

Mathaz
30 Jul 2009 11:37

With regards to the beggars and the less fortunate, sometimes in life what we do not need is money but for our eyes to be opened and ears to hear.

He who does not love does not know God, for God is love"   One of my favourite sciptures.

Cody
30 Jul 2009 11:48

Sho le ya tjhesa bazakes!!!! im just a bit busy, i will reply guys.

Lex
30 Jul 2009 11:55

Dumelang bana ba Ntate ke keneng tempeleng,MODIMO o le ruise molemo o sa feleng.Wonderful article,beautiful replies.I'm touched.

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 12:04

Ok - reading thru slowly has calmed me down, thank God for this blog, His word is refreshing and calms a troubled soul!

Nice replies guys but.......................... to mfundisi BA and mfundisi GA, I want to share this with you guys in particular - BA you can run but you cant hide.....

"The priests are in mourning, those who minister before the Lord." - Joel 1:9b

The first requirement for being used by God in the life of others is to mourn on their behalf. We must identify with their pain and suffering. Each of us must be broken for others first. In order to be fully used by God we need to understand what breaks God's heart. When we understand what breaks God's heart, we are able to mourn on behalf of a grieving person, or a nation we are called to serve.

What breaks God's heart?

When we begin to answer this question, we begin the first step to becoming instruments of change for those things that are important to God.

You have since identified what breaks Gods heart coz it breaks yours akere?

SO I will say this again.....BA lalela - sisi you can run but you cant hide from this calling, GA and BA you should work together on this further - please dont just sit behind your phone or keyboard and mourn publicly about this issue - God has helped you identify your calling now work at it! You can never do it all, you are two now so it will be easier for you BA........

FK - wena sisi - (today I am sounding harsh but hey - let me share this with you)

2
5
8
4

Figure it out and come back to me!

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 12:12

GA and BA you should work together on this further - please dont just sit behind your phone or keyboard and mourn publicly about this issue - God has helped you identify your calling now work at it! You can never do it all, you are two now so it will be easier for you BA........ 


YOU are late ... Ms Jay ..we are already working together .. or must i say sharing the ideas on where to from here , sthrengthen each other

Green.arrow
30 Jul 2009 12:15

....wow.

BA...i know very very well. 
And BA, i also understand when you say "you havent done enough", but i just wanted to thank you for what you have done already. It has inspired a lot of people i noticed, me included to move atleast an inch towards the "doing".
I cry at the numebr of years that have gone by and i feel like i havent done enough. And I wish my young days could last just a little longer so that I can run arround for my Lord.

Ke nnete FK...you either are for God or you arent. And being for God means being for His people......from the little things to the big things. 

I love what you guys are saying regarding who is our neighbours. Ecclesiastes 9: 11says[I have seen something else under the sun: The race is not to the swift or the battle to the strong, nor does food come to the wise or wealth to the brilliant or favor to the learned; but time and chance happens to them all…NIV], 
Everybody nommater who and where they are at the moment were created by God with a purpose. We sell ourselves short by not being the vessels that God can use to bring healing and comfort to His people (because it is a privillage to do like Christ.....and there is the principle of sowing and reaping about it...and not just the material fruits). but mostly we sell them short that could have benefited from allowing God to use us in their lives.....

............................"by provision and prayer"............................


Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 12:17

where is zozoe

FK
30 Jul 2009 12:17

@ Ms JayFK - wena sisi - (today I am sounding harsh but hey - let me share this with you)

2
5
8
4

Figure it out and come back to me!


I am so lost head deaconness.  Is this the pin code to heaven?

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 12:22

In that case great! I am elated that you are talkin and going forward......I will hold you up in my prayers too

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 12:22

In that case great! I am elated that you are talkin and going forward......I will hold you up in my prayers too

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 12:23

FK check your PM, its a pin code,

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 12:24

ZOZOE.. is alive guys mabe she is busy at work but i was talking to her this morning ..i'll tell her now about the article and that she is missed

Green.arrow
30 Jul 2009 12:25

...lol Ms.Jay...you posted your reply while i was busy typing i think. And BA i was just about to email you.

I love the "you can run but you cant hide" part, because it is soo true. 
I never looked at it this way Ms.Jay...because it is quite painfull...like the heart is lliterally sore (Am sure BA and other guys would agree). And especially when it hurts I always remember what Mordecai said to Esther.


Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 12:26

And did it make sense?

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 12:29

I love the "you can run but you cant hide" part, because it is soo true. 

and im trying so hard not to dwell on what Ms Jay said .... it pains me, i dont want THIS to be called calling ... calling is much bigger than me ... NO Ms Jay

funny that i said this to you GA(wink wink) but i cant take it when it is coming to me ...tl tl tl tl  umuntu! *shaking my head*

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 12:30

GA you said girl, you have been called for such a time as this,

I must admit I dont really feel as pained as you sound about this, nna what pains me is the issue of salvation and the application of the word to our lives, I get so angry when someone dies without Christ and even worse when a person preaches the wrong doctrines......and now thats where my calling lies and yes I am doing something about it

FK
30 Jul 2009 12:31

@ Ms Jay - it does however, where do we get the number from?  Are these from scriptures?  I must say, I have never come across that.  Please enlighten me.

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 12:39

FK if you study numbers and their meaning you will understand alot of things, I have learnt that nothing in the word and sequences in numbers and scriptures is meaningless. Didn you ever wonder why Pastors would say 2007 is the year of perfection and 2008 year of beginnings and 2009 things ahve fallen in line etc....

Let me come back and explain further - I am wanted in the b/room

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 12:46

Ms Jay ... i have a DVD titles

"The significance of number 5" and O M G

Green.arrow
30 Jul 2009 12:47

...i echo u BA.....i understand. I know very well that Ms.Jay is right, although i would not have said calling. I am very scared of words like that...like vision etc..because of the weight they carry.
But it hurts so much...i know that relief can only come from the doing doing doing and doing.....have i done anything up to now???. Apparently i have done something ,thats what some people say. But I feel like BA said that i havent even started. Im trying now, so your prayers are highly appreciated. Ms.Jay. And like i said earlier, the responses have helped me with the small things that i can do. 
BTW BA thnx for giving it to me.....and I thank God Ms.Jay is not  pulling any punches either.....

But wow..u guys are all amazing...:-)



You know ive been trying to mcgyver my way thru the Ms.Jay to FK code...i give up.:-)

Cody
30 Jul 2009 12:50

sho guys i am learning so much from you.

 i find myself wanting to know more and more, i have so many downloads about the word that i download because i will have this biblical topic in my head that i need to find out about i will search it before doing my work so that i can read it when i get home or during lunch, i look at myself in the mirror and say "is this me?"  i get so excited thinking about what i have learned so far in such a short space of time! what i have become, You guys make it easier and faster. seems like i have wasted a lot of time, God has been calling me but i did not listen, so now i feel like i have to do a crash course, lol!

talking about a calling............sometimes i always wonder why people come to me telling me their problems,even if we are not friends, its now becoming worse, even at work, you will find that, those people have friends or colleagues they can approach but nooo, they come to me. Now people who have had a personal vendetta against me come and ask for my help......heee guys what is happening???????? 

Does this only happen to me? and to you guys who have been in this ministry for a while, did this happen to you? or is it only me? it is overwhelming sometimes....sorry to go off Topic!!!


GA, i am really impressed with the angle you took regarding this subject.

Cody
30 Jul 2009 12:55

What codes are you talking about guys? i also want to know my code, he he he! Ms Jay, explain tuuuu!

FK
30 Jul 2009 12:58

This is the code Ms Jay sent.  I could not crack it

2 = fall of man
5 = redeemed by grace
8 = you have been given a regenerated spirit by faith thru grace and now abounding in strength
4 = God has given you all you in need in perfection completion

Isa 61 says it all to you I suggest you pray and get confirmation but nna I believe you are called to an office

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 13:10

talking about a calling............sometimes i always wonder why people come to me telling me their problems,even if we are not friends, its now becoming worse, even at work, you will find that, those people have friends or colleagues they can approach but nooo, they come to me. Now people who have had a personal vendetta against me come and ask for my help......heee guys what is happening???????? 


No Cody, there is absolutely no personal vendetta against you... People just trust God in you....

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 13:38

LOL guys, where was I; sho.....I am exhausted!

Cody you have a compassionate heart and pple can see that so don wonder when they come to you, rather ask God what to say to them and when to speak it, you will be speaking into pples lives and that needs consideration on your part as to what you say and whether its Gods thoughts or yours, it sounds overwhelming but God will not gift you without His grace and ability to do what He has called you to do. You dont need to rush things, take things a day at a time, there is no catching up to do coz you are running your own race......don make the mistake of presumming you need to catch up, the race is not for the swift! Also be aware that some times pple just need emotiona dustbins - you must be prayerful to watch out for those and if you need an ear please email me you have my details.


Guys pliz get this straight - a calling is not something to fear, hayi bo lets use the word purpose and manadate then , we make the mistake of thinking calling is associated to 5 fold ministry ONLY  - its not, a calling is your mandate or purpose here on earth qha! if your manadate is Eph 4:11-13 then hooray and if yours is helps ministry or administration then its for you, I have learnt to trust God when it comes to my mandate coz He gave me and He will aide me, I am just His voice in a certain area of ministry to the saints, and so are you FK, BA, GA, Cody and everyone else (I am NOT picking on cerain folks bazlwane, sonke we have callings and giftings - which you will discover or others will help you discover)

zozoe
30 Jul 2009 14:08

Hi all 
To Magg and MJay thanks for asking 
BA thanks 

oh my God what an article thanks GA
 Now i understand why other people bahave like they do oh God forgive me

i will come reply tomorow coz its long and i dont have time schools are open so my work o mongata hleng tomorow ppls

Much love

SuperTwinkle
30 Jul 2009 14:08

You guys talk too much - please give us a break now

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 14:09

BA so from your DVD you will see that 5 = Father who sent + Son + Spirit to + Redeem + fallen Man???


5 = grace, unmerited favour, charis, charisma etc.....I feel like teaching....stop me: am I on track or lost?

OK back to FK, my dear, you now that I have a gifting of prophecy akere?

5 nights ago, my darling, my sweetie my baby; experienced a dream similar to mine, that was no coincidence BTW, and in my dream - after what looked like I was teaching @ a conference or large service, I walked out coz I was so drunk in spirit I needed to go out so the service would cont.....I walked back in and this one mumfindisi from church took over and was praying for pple, and some lady screamed out - chase her away, she is possessed, we cant take it anymore - I couldn see the person just heard the voice and something in me crashed (I felt low in spirit) and where the voice came from was dark...so i walked upto the mfundisi (Pastors normally sit in front) and he just laid his hand on my forehead and I feel again drunk! and when I got up I was in pain and immobile......I then woke up

As I was narrating this to him he was like it was dark where he was standing all he heard was 2584; he didnt hear that womans voice

so: are you getting the picture now.......i explained to him what those meant and he was like what - I see the relationship somehow but I am still like????? and wen typed it out yesterday (to stick on the fridge) FK came to mind

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 14:13

ST are you being serious? I want to laugh but need to know if you fo real....

FK
30 Jul 2009 14:27

@ ST - it is not our fault that you finished your airtime yesterday.  Please recharge and come back.  We need to get the Word out there.  We need to understand it ourselves.

Stop complaining and recharge.

Sslave
30 Jul 2009 14:28

great inspiring article. guys mara to tell you the truth, yo replies are long. just imagine reading 56 articles in an article. Anyway I'm a slave Studyslave so I will start with the first reply before replying on the topic at hand. Lemme read. *sigh*

FK
30 Jul 2009 14:33

@ Sslave - I know.  Like the blessings - when they come, they come in abundance.  LOL

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 14:33

YES Ms Jay... it say 5  symbolizes GRACE / Redemption .... i'll take a pen and paper and write down things that are pointed out from it

but i remember that it is meantioned that

sparewheel in a car(which is wheel numberr 5) comes to your rescue when your 4 wheels fail you

Moses (his name has 5 letters) ...came to rescue Israelites from Egypt

David have 5 stoned to fight Goliath

The fifth book of the bible - Deut magnifies God's Grace

Jesus our redemer - His name has five letters

the list is endless

Best-Achiever
30 Jul 2009 14:36

Sslave ... i takeityou have never read or saw any of s*X articles on TVSA, they always have more than 100 replies and No one evercomplain about that

Sslave
30 Jul 2009 14:36

in life you cant change anybody ,even a monster,the best thing is to stay away,some of the things in life we must learn to deal with it.

(((Praying))))) still at reply 4>>>>>>

Sslave
30 Jul 2009 14:41

FK I'm receiving my blessings right now.. )))) opening my hands with my head lifted up(((((

BA no I don't read those replies at all. I'm interested in these ones after reading this long but great and moving article.

Ms. Jay
30 Jul 2009 15:07

Give me your email BA and I will forward you more regarding no5, like I said I never take things for granted when it comes to the word of God, the word has so much revelation contained even in just 2 verses.....

let me stop abusing this free service and holla on Monday or Tuesday when I get back to SA - I am going for a family tournament and I dread the excersise LOL......cyber see you all and enjoy your service at church folks........

FK send me mail, on mimindlovu@fastmail.fm


They are closing their office now :((((((( sob sob sob

FK
30 Jul 2009 15:19

Cool Ms Jay, please check you PM

makgotso
31 Jul 2009 08:00

Wow guys I am so touch.

Ms Jay: ekerk the pastor was talking about the 5 number on sunday

@Cody: you are not the only one, my friend always ask how come everybody who has problems come to tell me, I was thinking about this the other day and I said to myself maybe I was suppose to be a Pyschologist. I enjoy counselling people, maybe I need more training in that regard.

Thanks GA for inspiring blog, I always look forward to Wednesday, I read all your replies ladies and gents its just that sometimes I download them and read them at night.

Cody keep up the good work do not get wery in doing good njengokusho kweZwi.

Much love,

makgotso
31 Jul 2009 08:01

Wow guys I am so touch.

Ms Jay: ekerk the pastor was talking about the 5 number on sunday

@Cody: you are not the only one, my friend always ask how come everybody who has problems come to tell me, I was thinking about this the other day and I said to myself maybe I was suppose to be a Pyschologist. I enjoy counselling people, maybe I need more training in that regard.

Thanks GA for inspiring blog, I always look forward to Wednesday, I read all your replies ladies and gents its just that sometimes I download them and read them at night.

Cody keep up the good work do not get wery in doing good njengokusho kweZwi.

Much love,

Cody
31 Jul 2009 12:01

Ms Jay, can you please write an article about numbers because now im curious. 

with regard to crash course, i was referering to the way ke leng curious ka teng, ideas come rushing and makes me want to know God more.

Makgotso, lenna i thought i took the wrong career, i enjoy listening and giving advise and I feel so good if someone has a positive outcome because of the advise i've given them. 

Guys i need to work chao! and Supertwinkle, God be with you.

Green.arrow
31 Jul 2009 16:01

.........im with Cody on this one Ms.Jay.........im quite curious too.........(pretty plzzz)


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