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ANC Muzzles Media, Starts Own Paper

Written by makisto from the blog Frankly Speaking on 02 Aug 2010
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Very few journalists tarnish media image, plotting and calculating ANC spots an opportunity and violates it. Is the ANC-led government turning into apartheid government? Is the media enemy of the state and has it gone too far? Is the ANC justified in its bid to censor the media?

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The ANC says the media is out of control and needs serious crack down

A free press is a concrete fundamental of any true democratic state. However, if the ANC’s proposed media tribunal succeeds, you can rest assured that corruption and irregularities will be swept under the carpet in many government departments and its dealings. The status quo in this country necessitates that the media be the government’s watchdog. Over the past 16 years, the media has been very successful in exposing corruption and the government’s shady dealings, and now the ANC wants to censor it, if not silence it all. 

To further advance its mission, the ANC is starting its own paper, New Age. Actually New Age isn’t new at all. It is an ANC paper that was closed down by the National Party’s apartheid government. Many ANC cadres wrote for the paper, criticised the apartheid government and the National Party was not having any of it and shut the paper down. Now the ANC wants to bring back the paper. 

Zuma weds one of his many wives
This is what the ANC gov calls "classified info"?

The party has already appointed an editor-chief, who is former Business Day and SABC journalist, Vuyo Mvoko. Vuyo maintains that he will fight for his paper’s editorial independence, he told Bizcommunity.com. Biz: So are you saying that you will protect the editorial independence of your paper? Mvoko: Of course, that's what we are about. However, that remains to be seen! The public broadcaster in Auckland Park, has been succumbing to Albert Luthuli House’s orders. Simply put, the ANC has a reputation of meddling in editorial decisions of the SABC. How then, can New Age – which is unashamedly pro-ANC – have any form of editorial independence? The ANC has also, in a move that smacks of window dressing, appointed former Miss South Africa and University of Pretoria’s law graduate, Claudia Henkel, as its entertainment editor. The paper’s editor-in-chief has defended the ANC’s decision saying journalists come from various walks of academic courses. Biz: Hiring Claudia Henkel was an unusual move. I know she's not your average beauty queen as she has a law degree but she's not an experienced journalist and yet she's one of your middle managers. Tell me about why you've hired her? Mvoko: Look, people play roles. A lot of people have been brought into media from different backgrounds such as Khanyi Dhlomo at True Love [magazine]. She had no journalism experience and she was brought in for a specific reason and she achieved what the publication wanted to achieve. [Claudia's job] is about lifestyle; it's about being able to work in that space and with the people in that space and knowing what sells in that space.  New Age hits the streets, shelves in September.

The Daily Sun
Is the media out of order?

The ANC has been criticised for wanting to silence the media and starting its own paper that will push its mandate. Apparently the major purpose of New Age is provide news coverage from all nine provinces of South Africa. The ANC has criticised the media for neglecting provinces such as Mpumalanga, KwaZulu-Natal, Northern Cape and others, in its news coverage. 

The ANC claims the media is out of order, reports news incorrectly and embellish stories in a bid to increase newspaper circulations. It also alleges that brown envelope journalism is the major reason for its proposed media tribunal. A former Cape Argus political journalist, Ashley Smith, has been liaising with former Western Cape premier, Ebrahim Rasool, in which the premier would pay the journo by handing the journo some money in a brown envelope. In short, the ANC premier would bribe the journalist to write favourable stories about him. In the wake of what transpired between the journo and the former premier, the journo resigned from working at the Cape Argus. Upon learning of the situation, the paper’s editor ran the story on front page, apologised to readers for letting them down. “The paper must be commended for running the story so prominently for all to see and shows that it is dedicate to providing news that’s fair an dbalanced to its readers” reads a press statement issued by The Professional Journalists Association (ProJourn). The association has also voiced its concern and disapproval on the ANC’s plan to have all media stories censored before print. 
Corruption ANC style
What about ANC's corruption?

In her weekly column in the Sowetan, Redi Direko has criticised the ANC’s plans to gag the media. She wrote that it is the media that told the story about brown envelope journalism and that, shows that the media can effectively deal with the situation. The media is not the only self-regulated industry. The law and advertising fraternities are also self-regulated. Why would a ruling party wanna censor the media? Something is definitely fishy here. Redi gave a detailed account of how the media has been taking initiative and played a proactive role in exposing corruption and shady dealings? Writes Redi: In our criticism of the media it is important to note that were it not for its profession, former president Thabo Mbeki’s arrogant request for us to” trust” him on Jackie Selebi, would not have been the end of that story and the public would not have known about the rotten link between the cop and the murky world of crime. Were it not for the media... the tenderpreneurs at Luthuli House would not have been exposed. Add to that the Travelgate, Oilgate, the arms deal, misuse of public funds and so on. 
City Press
Has the media gone too far in its headlines?

The ANC also proposes The Protection of Information Bill, which will see whistle blowers legally prohibited from contacting the media about “classified info” and can be charged if contravening this Bill or soon to be law. Journalists who write stories about “classified info” will be charged, arrested and jailed, if the bill is to be passed. Chris Barron of the Sunday Times, has, in his So Many Questions Column, interrogated Cecil Burges, chairman of the committee dealing with the bill and he of course, protected the ANC. Cecil accuses the media of being "enemy of the state" but he could not give clear examples in which the media ran stories that suggests it is enemy of the state. Chris asked Cecil about the necessity of this bill and he said: The bill is informed by a number of threats that we have been encountering in the country. Asked about what threats, Cecil replied: There have been threats from information peddlers, from acts of espionage, threats from our data bases being compromised and information in government hands being altered.

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Should the media tone down its creativity on creating headlines?

Simply put, Cecil wanted to say journalists must be arrested and jailed for writing about JZ’s many wives and girlfriends and his sexual escapades. It can also be argued that the ANC wants to prevent the media to write about how JZ’s wives are wasting the taxpayer’s money and that JZ is disregarding the very same ANC’s policies on HIV/AIDS because the ANC government emphasises that you must use a condom correctly every time you have sex but it seems JZ isn’t doing any of this.
The media has come under attack on how they reported on Manto Tshabala’s death and the ANC came to her defence saying she was freedom fighter. The media was dwelling on the 2007 story unearthed by the Sunday Times on her hospital booze binge and how she used to steal patients’ belonging while serving as a nurse in Botswana. 
Sunday Times paper
Journalists who write about "classified information" will be charged, arrested and jailed!

If the ANC can get its way, the media must report on the “good that the government is doing such as building RDP houses and not expose shady dealing on how the tenders are awarded. The ANC’s dream on how the media should operate, is in conflict with the constitution which states clearly that the press should be a free entity just like the law. Writes Redi: How sad that the same people who benefitted from robust media are now calling for the same immoral control. She writes referring to how the media voiced its concern on apartheid atrocities until the international arena saw past apartheid government and cracked the whip on it. 

Also, Avusa public editor, Thabo Leshilo condemned the ANC’s proposed media tribunal and the formation of the information bill. He wrote in the Sunday Times: There is something sinister going on here. What we are dealing with is a cynical, systematic and gradual erosion of our constitutional democracy. He argues that the ANC is threatened by the media’s expose on its corruption: Transparency and press freedom are inimical to their corrupt ways; hence the attempts to curb the free flow of information. Why otherwise, bring the protection of Information Bill that results in journalists being jailed for lengthy periods for doing their jobs…
Cops torture
Bid to sell the paper or reporting the reality? 

Redi summed the whole situation up: The media is not perfect. Neither are politicians. It is disturbing that the public has been duped into believing that these measures are about preventing distortions. That is a lie from the pits of hell. Our leaders will only tell you what they want you to know. That is the long and short of this ridiculous tribunal. 

Thabo concludes: A few years down the line the process will be repeated, resulting in even more drastic curbs. That, combined with the ANC’s proposed media tribunal that would see journalists jailed for making mistakes, makes the future appear bleak indeed. That’s how Robert Mugabe’s Zimbabwe ended up worse that Ian Smith’s Rhodesia. It did not happen overnight.



78 Comments

realist
02 Aug 2010 09:53

Personally I’m I do support this media tribunal thing provided that there are no ANC cadre in that tribunal. The media cannot have their cake and eat it. The ombudsman is a tooth less organization and it is useless.

To further advance its mission, the ANC is starting its own paper, New Age.
Nothing wrong with that provided they don’t use taxpayer’s money to fund it.

The ANC has been criticised for wanting to silence the media and starting its own paper that will push its mandate.
By whom was the criticism made?

The ANC claims the media is out of order, reports news incorrectly and embellish stories in a bid to increase newspaper circulations. 
That is correct.

There is just no way can the ANC stop the media from reporting about corruption, nepotism, bribery etc. The tribunal is merely there to protect those who can be wronged by the media and have no financial muscle to take the media to court.

Take the example of the drama queen at etv when she interviewed that lady from the free state university. If the media tribunal was in existence what do you think would have happened to the drama queen?


makisto
02 Aug 2010 10:07

@realist, the criticism is from the media. Read what editors say. The Redi Direko, Thabo Leshilo etc.
I'm surprised you do agree the media needs a serious crack down. There is just no way can the ANC stop the media from reporting about corruption, nepotism, bribery etc. 
With the Protection of Information Bill, the ANC will do it.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 10:09

The drama sometimes gets carried away but most of the time she is correct, right and on track!

makisto
02 Aug 2010 10:10

They ARE using the taxpayer's money to start the paper and you can't stop them.

pele
02 Aug 2010 10:45

Makisto - dont you find it funny all this suddenly  after the Chikane Files? 
Read Lus's letter in News 24 about this.

The same Media ANC is fighting with is the one which have reported accurate classified info,  where many government officials have been foung guilty of stealing from the taxpayers money, if the ANC say we dont report factual news, where is the proof so that they can sue us.

Media is not out of order at all, it does get carried away sometimes but not all teh time. Give us stories we can analyse we xcan debate about in tyhis proposed deabte then we can see who is right or wrong. 
i  so wish like the rest of South Africans that  the ANC could put as much energy in fighting crime as they do in fighting the media or disbanding organizations like the scorpions.


A critical, independent and investigative press is the lifeblood of any democracy. The press must be free from state interference. - Nelson 
Mandela 1994 Lisaman 


ANC election manifesto in 1994 about the Open Society we should have - The ANC will strive for an open society that encourages vigorous debate. People must be free to express their views without fear, including criticising the government of the day. Freedom of the media will be essential for a flourishing of democracy. 

all these statements where uttured to the people just to gain the much needed power!!!

i love the last part of this article, it echoes my sentiments exactly....Nice article again.


The ombudsman is a tooth less organization and it is useless. ....proof, did you take a complain and they didn't pursue it, please expalin further why you feel so?

Makisto we will be in and out of jail if it needs be, we will dig deep until people are accounted for their actions, being in jail is a journo is like getting an Oscar, so yeah bring it on!!!

















realist
02 Aug 2010 10:47

the criticism is from the media. Read what editors say. The Redi Direko, Thabo Leshilo etc.
If it is coming from the media then the tribunal is definitely needed. This self regulation does not work. Ask the banks in the USA and Europe, they did try self regulation but it did not work. 

With the Protection of Information Bill, the ANC will do it.
Trust me they won’t. How do you stop the info from the internet? You can only limit the info to certain extent but you can’t block it entirely. Even China is struggling with the internet. 

The drama sometimes gets carried away but most of the time she is correct, right and on track
That one instance when she gets carried away that is when you need the tribunal the most.

They ARE using the taxpayer's money to start the paper and you can't stop them.
Is that a fact or speculation? I have not heard anything from the opposition parties complaining so I will give them the benefit of a doubt.



GML
02 Aug 2010 10:58

What will the purpose of this paper be expecially if the ANC is starting it. Will it be an objective newspaper that reports everything. Or will it be a mouthpiece of the ANC reporting only what the ANC deems right.

Will they be singing the praises of the ANC? It all sounds a bit too much. The ANC cannot stop the media from reporting certain things so they best start their own paper?

makisto
02 Aug 2010 11:00

Sure Pele, the ANC is violating its very own policies and manifestos. Even during his innaugoration, Zuma said the press must be set free, but see what his government is doing. If a journo is arrested, it just shows he/she is doing his job perfectly such that the gov feels threatened.
Freedom of the media will be essential for a flourishing of democracy. During elections debate on SABC 2, Hellen Zillesaid JZ is a threat to the constitution and he will wreck havoc to it. Thanks for the compliments Pele, this is one story I will be watching wit passion. Thank you for taking realist on about the ombudsman issue.
@realist 
If it is coming from the media then the tribunal is definitely needed.
I don't agree, see what Pele reminds us of what the ANC said on Press Freedom
Trust me they won’t. How do you stop the info from the internet?
You write and publish the story on classified info and you will be arrested and jailed.
That one instance when she gets carried away that is when you need the tribunal the most.
For me, the drama queen is a voice for the voiceless and her programme is necessary and she must continue to display no fear no favour.
Is that a fact or speculation?
Tell me where they will get the money from. From Motsepe? Opposition parties only complain after they read about the info in the media hence a Free Press is a babsis of any true democracy.

pele
02 Aug 2010 11:02

''This bill undermines the very public interest that it purports to protect," the foundation said.
"It has no place in a liberal constitutional democracy." ...Helen Suzman organisation

Its no speculation or no doubt ANC will use taxpayers money to pursue their papaer, hence they trying to shut us up so taht we can't dig mishandling of funds like these....

makisto
02 Aug 2010 11:02

@GML
will it be a mouthpiece of the ANC?
Will they be singing the praises of the ANC?
Answers are in the affirmative

zozoe
02 Aug 2010 12:04

ok bo Ntate le tla thabela Coffeeor Tea?or le dikuku

realist
02 Aug 2010 12:06

The ombudsman is a tooth less organization and it is useless. ....proof, did you take a complain and they didn't pursue it, please expalin further why you feel so?
Personally I did not. Here is the proof that the ombudsman is toothless:
Zapiro’s cartoons. You may agree or disagree but some of them were outrageous.
Manto Tshabalala Msimang‘s death. The Mandela’s death in the mail and guardian newspaper.

You may not like the tribunal because you work in the media, but those who don’t definitely do need the tribunal. Freedom of speech has got its limitations. 

Is that a fact or speculation?
Tell me where they will get the money from. From Motsepe? Opposition parties only complain after they read about the info in the media hence a Free Press is a babsis of any true democracy.
You still have not answered my question. You see that is why I fully support the tribunal.

pele
02 Aug 2010 12:29

So why call something toothless but you never even test it yourself  i really dont get you point, yet you keep repeating about facts and speculations
In the cases you mentioned, did those concerned go to the Ombudsman and laid a complaint  and the Ombusman just ignored them, i hope you will state facts also not speculations. One case i remember Muslim  followers did complain and they won over Zapiro, why are you not following suit if you really feel we getting out of hand.

i dont agree with the tribunal and i promise you most of us will not abide by it at all, it will make our job very intresting, the jails will be flooded with journos, as i have said going to jail as a journo is like getting an Oscar, it opens all doors so yep the tribunal must go through, we will flourish in our work and no one even the ANC will change how we do our job. who is giving rules about how politicians must work excpet themselves giving  false promises to the nation...i promise you this is going to be one of the most interesting times of  our history in democracy.

ANC is only threatning (spelling gone 4 now)  because of 'leaks' in their own party, and the will always be leaks whether you dictate to stop it or not.

Again i repeat this means there is more to Chikane Files than the ANC admits, these files have been a last straw for them, i wonder why?. 

Zozoe am sure you not referring to us, why dont you go and feed teh big something cast if you bored.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 12:30

lol @ zozoe
@realist
, Zapiro cartoons are a reflection of current affairs presented in a comic form. Therefore, you cannot say the ombudsman is a toothless dog based on the fact that they didn't "call Zapiro into order" for drawing the news. Can you ban current affairs? Definitely not!  On Manto's death, the media was just simply reporting on what Manto did, this still, was news and nothing was a lie, it was all true and action of Manto.

KeleFabulous
02 Aug 2010 12:35

jah ne...and what makes them think they are any better than the apartheid government, if they do go ahead with this so called Bill? phela this is one step backwards and once taken there will be many more backward steps to come.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 12:37

Thank you  Kele, that's what Sanef is saying.

realist
02 Aug 2010 12:40

Pele
You can rant and rave all you like; fact is the ombudsman is a toothless organization. Why waste the time complaining to it. The tribunal is going to happen, whether you like it or not so get used to the idea.

Whether journos enjoy going to jail me definitely don’t give a damn. They can all go to jail and die there for all I care. If they don’t report facts as they should then definitely they must go to jail. I don’t remember this government saying journos should not report anything bad about it but facts and not sensation.

zozoe
02 Aug 2010 12:44

lol @ Pele theola moya papa

pele
02 Aug 2010 12:50

if opening your wide shut eyes is ranting and raving so be it. Tribunal will expose your beloved corrupt goverment once and for all. Sensation is what? reporting on ''leaks '' from your own comrasdes and getting criminals in court and rooting them out of our goverment. No Journo will die in jail ever, we are not Zim yet. 
i know you are a sore loser, once someone ask you about facts you tend to get rude, signs of showing you dont even know what you talking about. Tribunal must come our chosen career will  be taken to new heights!!!!

Sobza
02 Aug 2010 12:50

Now I see why they wanted JZ as the president, it all started with the justice system being undermined, now they want to shut up the media.....that's the ANC of today

realist
02 Aug 2010 12:51

Makisto
Zapiro did concede on Kaya fm that sometimes he goes overboard with his cartoons and most of the time they are one sided and he needs to improve on it. Now coming to Manto’s death in the media, are you saying there was nothing wrong in the way it was reported by the media?

The media does not represent the public interest, if you think that way then you are definitely in the wrong profession. They are there to represent the shareholder and not the public interest. 

Btw, I’m still waiting for your responses with regard to the funding of the new age newspaper.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 12:53

I don’t remember this government saying journos should not report anything bad about it but facts and not sensation. 
For the ANC, facts are 1m RDP houses in 16 years. Beki Cele buying another building for the police and costing the taxpayer an unnecessary exra R500m isn't facts, according you and the ANC. Is it not? Zuma fathering a child out of wedlock, despite the fact that he has so many wives, isn't facts and not in the public interest? SABC splurging R300m on WC tickets, while it is in a financial mess, isn't fact but just the media being sensational? Ncqonde Balfour awarding tenders to Bosasa -  a company he's a affiliated to -  and getting cars and holiday vouchers from Bosasa isn't corruption but media being sensational? Hhhmmm, realist?

realist
02 Aug 2010 12:55

Trust me Pele I’m never rude with my responses, I was giving you the taste of your own medicine and it seems you can’t take it also. I’m no supporter of this regime but you are giving this regime the moral right to have this tribunal. It is only the media that is complaining about the tribunal so far.

Sobza
02 Aug 2010 12:55

It's no use debating with realist....shim is being emotional about the whole thing. Blinded by loyalty....the ANC can do no wrong in his/her eyes.

Green.arrow
02 Aug 2010 12:58

lol zozoe...you just made my day...

xubekang bontate..this is intruiging.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 12:59

They are there to represent the shareholder and not the public interest.
Oh please, can you prove that as we in the media always prove our stories.
The media does not represent the public interest
If the media reporting about Ministers buying A R2m merc in time of global recssion is not representing public interest then give me a detailed description of what representing public interest is lol.

pele
02 Aug 2010 13:00

funny i will get a medicine when i need facts, only Blaque who is supposed to give me a taste of my medicine, you still out of line. you have no facts and i am not going to take a medicine while i am not sick at all.

Sobza ...just realised.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 13:04

xubekang bontate..this is intruiging.
GA, give us your views on the matter please.
Blinded by loyalty....the ANC can do no wrong in his/her eyes.
I have been reading realist's replies to many debates with great interest and she doesn't sound like a pro-ANC person. Therefore, it is inaccurate to say she is loyal ANC fan. At least that's according to my observation and I stand to be corrected if I'm wrong.
It is only the media that is complaining about the tribunal so far.
Lol, civil society has also been making submissions to Parliament together with the media. This blog may also lend in the right places where it must be heard and taken into consideration together with its replies.

realist
02 Aug 2010 13:07

For the ANC, facts are 1m RDP houses in 16 years.
What is wrong with that? Did they say you should not publish it? 

Beki Cele buying another building for the police and costing the taxpayer an unnecessary exra R500m isn't facts, according you and the ANC. Is it not?
On this one you miss the point completely. What is wrong with that? Did they say you should not publish it? Btw, how do you know that it is fact?

Zuma fathering a child out of wedlock,
Is it a crime? So what should have happened to him then? 

 despite the fact that he has so many wives, isn't facts and not in the public interest?
That is none of our business. Did they say you should not report it?

SABC splurging R300m on WC tickets, while it is in a financial mess, isn't fact but just the media being sensational?
Did they say you should not report it?

Ncqonde Balfour awarding tenders to Bosasa - a company he's a affiliated to - and getting cars and holiday vouchers from Bosasa isn't corruption but media being sensational?
Did they say you should not report it?

There is a difference between reporting and being factual remember that.

realist
02 Aug 2010 13:09

If the media reporting about Ministers buying A R2m merc in time of global recssion is not representing public interest then give me a detailed description of what representing public interest is lol.
If I’m not paying for it then it is in the public interest but if I pay then it is in the best interest of the shareholder.

realist
02 Aug 2010 13:16

It's no use debating with realist....shim is being emotional about the whole thing. Blinded by loyalty....the ANC can do no wrong in his/her eyes.
You must be delusional if you think I’m supporting the ANC.

KeleFabulous
02 Aug 2010 13:20

LOL @ Realist...what's your story grand grand?

pele
02 Aug 2010 13:22

PMS

Sobza
02 Aug 2010 13:29

You must be delusional if you think I’m supporting the ANC.

Unechaphoti ke wena.....ingqondo leyakho igcwele ooqongqothwane nonomanxazane.

realist
02 Aug 2010 13:30

Kele, my story grand grand is this; the people that claim to represent the public do not explain clearly the purpose of the tribunal. They think this regime is out to get the Media. This regime owns the SABC and the SABC is powerful in terms of reaching the audiences. Don’t you think this regime would have used the SABC to spread its propaganda?

The media knows that they have been sensationalising some stories and the party is about to end and they don’t like it. That is my story grand grand. What do you think?

pele
02 Aug 2010 13:32

To get back to your interesting debate Makisto,,,,

my hope is to get the ever vocal Vavi on our side, let's hope he wont try to score points with the ANC. He's been strangely quite on this matter, and i know his response will be the go ahead or stop before you try it. Tha is teh only guy who can twist things around just when you least expect him too.


KewlGaL
02 Aug 2010 13:41



Sorry, has anyone done a blog with pics on VDJ?? GPY

(Askies Makisto)

makisto
02 Aug 2010 13:47

my hope is to get the ever vocal Vavi on our side, let's hope he wont try to score points with the ANC.
True Pele, remember Vavi represent interests of the working class and not the ANC. If it means he should disagree with the ANC, that's what he will do.
Did they say you should not report it?
The Protection of Information Bill will ensure that if you report about it, you are charged, arrested and jailed.
Btw, how do you know that it is fact?
Because the lease was signed on 1 June, propert owners conformed it. If the ANC gets its way, this info will be censored and stopped from being printed. I guess you will also say there is nothing wrong with that.
Zuma fathering a child out of wedlock,
Is it a crime? So what should have happened to him then?
It is in violation of ANC policies on HIV/AIDS
This regime owns the SABC and the SABC is powerful in terms of reaching the audiences.
They have been doing that and barring Thabo Mbeki from their news but media criticism made them stop their nonsense.

realist
02 Aug 2010 13:52

Makisto, do you honestly believe the stuff that you are writing!!! If that is the case then I rest my case.

pele
02 Aug 2010 14:06

the people that claim to represent the public do not explain clearly the purpose of the tribunal.

How do you explain something you didnt propose?

makisto
02 Aug 2010 14:08

@realist I also rest my case on you believing the ANC has the media's best interest at heart.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 14:11

Pele do you see that the ANC is brainwashing people into believing the tribunal is necessary? Furthermore, people are clapping that the media will be muzzled.

Green.arrow
02 Aug 2010 14:11

Just finished reading the article ka di interval. I hear what you are saying Makisto. Infact not so very informed as i am, i dont like what this means as i still do not appreciate that the scorpions where disbanned. For reasons you , Redi and JJ and everyone in the know mentions. 

I have a question:
How is the news (New Age and the media tribunal) recieved so far by bo International free press society? 

Green.arrow
02 Aug 2010 14:13

I know very little about the media world and the world of politcs, i only participate because in both cases im affected as a citizen. There IS a debate here...im guessing Realist is playing the devil's advocate in this blog because out there both parties have come out in full force..media "custodians" and cadres. So in the interest of the debate ,because there is one, and with hopes that both sides will all converge (..a girl can hope) i have a couple more questions to ask in a minute (african minute)

pele
02 Aug 2010 14:16

hopefully only a few will be brainwashed, knowing our ANC, anything they do is for their best interset at heart..

realist
02 Aug 2010 14:20

How do you explain something you didnt propose?
In the best interest of the public.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 14:27

How is the news (New Age and the media tribunal) recieved so far by bo International free press society?
GA, so far I haven't heard anything yet. I'm following this story with all my passion and I will blog about it as soon as something comes to light.
Realist is playing the devil's advocate in this blog because out there both parties have come out in full force
Let's hope so because it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see what the ANC's intentions are and I like that she is giving us great debate. But I really wonders if she believes ANC has the media's best interest at heart.
i only participate because in both cases im affected as a citizen
Yes, as citizens, we do have the right to access information and be informed about how my tx money is being spent.

Cutie Pie
02 Aug 2010 14:29

@ Realist 

For the ANC, facts are 1m RDP houses in 16 years.
What is wrong with that? Did they say you should not publish it?  -
Its way too long Realist. Its uncalled for. (Did they say you should not publish it?) - Nope. But you argued that this is not public interest, but shareholders. You are wrong. Every year, our money (taxpayers) is allocateD to all sorts of departments for SERVICE DELIVERY. If there is no service delivery, what are we paying tax for??

Beki Cele buying another building for the police and costing the taxpayer an unnecessary exra R500m isn't facts, according you and the ANC. Is it not?
On this one you miss the point completely. What is wrong with that? Did they say you should not publish it? Btw, how do you know that it is fact?
- As it has been said, there is a signed contract already. Its in our interest (as taxpaying citizens, so I don't understand your argument at all)

Zuma fathering a child out of wedlock,
Is it a crime? So what should have happened to him then?  -
No its not crime, but we are the ones that INDIRECTLY support all this by paying TAX. It is our damn business. It is also an embarrassment to our country to have such kind of leaders. 


despite the fact that he has so many wives, isn't facts and not in the public interest?
That is none of our business. Did they say you should not report it?
- It is our damn  business as he gets paid and supported by Taxpayers money. We (the public) happen to be those taxpayers.  The more babies the more support pays for these kids.

SABC splurging R300m on WC tickets, while it is in a financial mess, isn't fact but just the media being sensational?
Did they say you should not report it? -
YOU JUST SAID ITS NOT PUBLIC INTEREST....THAT'S WHY ITS MENTIONED

Ncqonde Balfour awarding tenders to Bosasa - a company he's a affiliated to - and getting cars and holiday vouchers from Bosasa isn't corruption but media being sensational?
Did they say you should not report it? -
YOU JUST SAID ITS NOT PUBLIC INTEREST....THAT'S WHY ITS MENTIONED

pele
02 Aug 2010 14:32

the question is HOW? NOT IN WHO?

how do you explain something you didnt build? Media is shocked that ANC thinks it is a threat to the democracy of this country, we also want to know How?
where is proof of this? what exactly did we do to shake the democracy.

realist
02 Aug 2010 14:34

@Cutie Pie
Do you think the above will necessitate a tribunal? 

If you paid to get that info then it is not in the best interest of the public but best interest of the shareholder.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 14:37

Ja realist, the government of the day has brainwashed you ne?

realist
02 Aug 2010 14:42

The tribunal if it happens will have to pass the constitution of this country and I cannot see how this government can force its way since it does not have the 2/3 majority. If it is against the constitution then the tribunal will not happen. That is the bottom line.

Now I rest my case on this subject.

realist
02 Aug 2010 14:46

Ja realist, the government of the day has brainwashed you ne? 

No, the profession you are working for brainwashed you into believing that what you write is the gospel truth of which is not.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 14:46

The tribunal is against the constitution and if the ANC wants it, it will happen. Why because the ANC has no respect for the law.

makisto
02 Aug 2010 14:49

what you write is the gospel truth of which is not.
This again takes me back to the whole sensationall thing and I will pose the same questions of Balfour, Zuma wives, ministerial corruption and all as, according to you, is not true.

makgotso
02 Aug 2010 15:17

Makisto do you have a copy of the Bill,l would have google it myself but lm phone blogging. l want to read it and then comment

makgotso
02 Aug 2010 15:18

makisto
02 Aug 2010 15:28

Makgotso the Bill is very long because it contains over 30 pages

Mathaz
02 Aug 2010 16:07

The ruling party should have no interest in spreading propaganda and this media tribunal does not make sense at all.  SA is a democracy and therefore the voice of the media should be respected.  What would be the purpose of their paper if it is not only to publish how many food hampers were distributed before elections??  You know i was developing a soft spot for Zuma's cabinet but if they go ahead with this...i will be highly disappointed.

The Chikane files....some riveting stuff, i tell you, where can one get them on PDF??

pele
03 Aug 2010 07:30

go and check teh Chikane Files on IOL, search teh article and you will get them there. Damn they are a riveting stuff indeed!

Mokema
03 Aug 2010 09:38

We are goin to the apartheit era. 

The SAPS Posts changed after 1994 elections - 2010 they are renaming them  the same as the apartheid.

We are heading to Zimbabwe.

pele
04 Aug 2010 09:16

Johannesburg – The Press Ombudsman, who came under fire in an ANC document as "inherently biased", has recently made several rulings in favour of state institutions.

While the ruling African National Congress criticised the role of the Press Ombudsman in a discussion document released this week, a search by Sapa on the Press Council's website showed that the ombudsman had recently made several rulings in favour of government institutions.

On June 25, a municipal manager of the Ehlanzeni Regional Municipality in the Lowveld, Hugh Mbatha, complained to the Press Ombudsman about a report that he had manipulated a tender, among other things.

The ombudsman dismissed his complaint about two stories, but on a third story, published in the Lowvelder, he found that the newspaper failed to publish the municipality's official response.

The newspaper was reprimanded.

Retraction

In another ruling on the same day, the Press Ombudsman directed the Sunday Times newspaper to publish a retraction and apology regarding a story about the state broadcaster.

The SABC's former chief operations officer, Solly Mokoetle, complained to the Press Ombudsman that a report, headlined "Fresh crisis rocks SABC – New board members vow to challenge imposition of CEO", wrongly created the impression that fraud and corruption had been committed.

Also on June 25, Die Burger newspaper in Cape Town was reprimanded for inaccurate reporting following a complaint to the Press Ombudsman by an official of the Kouga Local Municipality, Laura-Leigh Randall.

The article revolved around tendering procedures and the municipality complained that it contained inaccuracies.

The Press Ombudsman ruled that the newspaper reported inaccurately and did not afford the municipality enough time to respond.

Efficient system

Press Ombudsman Joe Thloloe told Sapa on Friday he believed the Press Council system was efficient in regulating print media in South Africa.

This was in response to an ANC discussion document on the establishment of a print Media Appeals Tribunal, which states: "The mere fact that the Press Ombudsman is from the media ranks, a former journalist, and is not an independent person who looks at the media from the layman's perspective poses an inherent bias towards the media with all interpretations favourable to the institution and the other party just have to understand and accept the media way, which is grossly unfair and unjust."

But Thloloe, a veteran journalist with almost 50 years experience, said the self-regulatory system of the Press Ombudsman had been copied from various other systems around the world.

"The Press Ombudsman's office and the Press Council are functioning well... it doesn't need anything else," he said.

The ANC wants an independent statutory body accountable to Parliament to deal with complaints against newspapers, instead of only using the Press Ombudsman who currently deals with complaints.


- SAPA

Extracted from an News24 article-----TOOTHLESS HUH????

makisto
04 Aug 2010 09:24

Ya, I'm telling you Pele the ANC has sinister ambitions than what it is letting on. Now the Call the Press Ombudsman toothless and realist agrees!

poshspice
04 Aug 2010 11:06

"The ANC wants an independent statutory body accountable to Parliament to deal with complaints against newspapers,"  

Independent my foot!   to be headed by who? Siphiwe Nyanda or someone appointed by him huh! .

"Vuyo maintains that he will fight for his paper’s editorial independence"
Really?  I wonder how many approval processes the copy  will have to go through before it is published, maybe Luthuli House will have a final say or Floyd Shibambu will the the Editor in Chief or Managing Editor

"The ANC has also, in a move that smacks of window dressing, appointed former Miss South Africa and University of Pretoria’s law graduate, Claudia Henkel, as its entertainment editor"
 interesting.....to cover Zizi Kodwa and Malema's Gucci & Moet birthday bashes at Radisson and Zuma's weddings? 

Instead of the tribunal, we must strengthen the role of the Ombudsman...by ensuring that all members of the society know about it and how it functions devise ways for it to be easily accessible to ordinary citizens.





poshspice
04 Aug 2010 12:15

breaking news: Police have just arrested Sunday Times Journalist Mzilikazi Wa Africa for forging a letter allegedly penned by David Mabuza to Prez Zuma resigning as Premier of Mpumalanga! Clearly there is war btw media and Govt...both out to get each other or prove their point

poshspice
04 Aug 2010 12:21

it is reported that Mzilikazi was arrested by Mpumalanga Police,he is currently being transported to Mpumalanga. Tjo,he must not eat anything offered to him,they will poison him...

makgotso
04 Aug 2010 12:35

Tjo did he forge the letter,if so what for,for his shareholders gain eish mara uyayibhanxa kengoku if kuyinyani leyo

poshspice
04 Aug 2010 12:58

I'd like to believe that he was given a forged letter but because he's been at Mabuza's case for a long time and exposing the killing of politicians and corruption in that province,they will try to frame or nail him ....just to scare him to back off... If he did forge the letter, why would he do that? Unless he was used by Mabuza's enemies and given a brown envelop, asazi kuyozwakala!

makisto
04 Aug 2010 13:19

Really poshpise? Mziliikazi couldn't have written that letter. Doesn't he work for Sunday World? The ANC is really out of control now. Interesting comments on the article posh

pele
04 Aug 2010 13:25

The timing is toooo close, i smell a rotten rat again!!! this makisto is the only way to push the agenda of tribunal so watch and see my brother welcome to the communist country!!!!

makisto
04 Aug 2010 13:31

Eish Pele, the ANC is really out to get the media I'm telling you. Why would a journo forge a letter to begin with? This has ANC written all over it? Did you see the Ombudsman, Joe Thloloe's feature in the Sowetan where he talks about ANC's big noise titled: ANC's fears born of ignorance

Green.arrow
04 Aug 2010 14:34

Also heard the breaking news...at this point i dont know what to believe, lets all wait and see how it ends. 
One more question. As things stand both the The Protection of Information Bill and the media tribunal formation are still propositions awaiting this and that? and then a  "decision". How do things look realistically...what are the chances that things will go anc's way?.....realistic chances.

makisto
04 Aug 2010 14:38

@GA Realistic chances are what ANC wants ANC gets. Look at the scorpions for an example. Doesn't the arrest of Mzilikazi smack of ANC set up?

pele
04 Aug 2010 14:41

98% realistic way things will go their way, you remember what happened to mbeki, scorpions, i can see mine sa re a bit of a rough steep for them, mainly because they also include international interest..

Tshd21
04 Aug 2010 14:46

From the News24 website:

Johannesburg - A Sunday Times journalist has been arrested for fraud and defeating the ends of justice on Wednesday.

Hawks spokesperson Musa Zondi confirmed the journalist had been arrested and would appear in court within 48 hours.

Zondi would not name the journalist or give further details of the alleged offence.

"You'll get to hear the case when he appears in court," he said.

The Sunday Times' online publication, Times Live, has identified the journalist has Mzilikazi wa Afrika.

The Times Live reported that wa Afrika was arrested for the possession of what police claim is a fraudulent letter of resignation from Mpumalanga Premier David Mabuza to President Jacob Zuma.

"Wa Afrika was seized by police who became involved in a screaming match with senior editors about whether photographers could take pictures or not," reported Times Live.

Wa Afrika was one of the journalists who worked on the article about police commissioner General Bheki Cele having allegedly improperly purchasing a new building for police headquarters at a cost of R500m.

The Hawks have also told News24 that one other person was arrested in Mpumalanga on Tuesday. The man, who is not a journalist, was also charged with fraud and defeating the ends of justice.

Green.arrow
04 Aug 2010 16:03

I hear you makisto and pele,if history is anything to go by, indeed the chanes are that high...But surely there has to be hope. or starters, short of a couple of percentages, the anc does not hold 2/3 majority in parliament and one hopes that some in parliament from the anc will vote againts the proposed bill...And i would hope that between the ANC and the media house there must be an independant committee that will preside over the whole issues at hand?? ......*tryng very hard to stay hopefull*.....
And  If i may ask as a nervous citizen who doesnt know much but is interested...i said "this and that " in my last post above because i dont know the process that will lead to the final decision. What is the process?

Green.arrow
04 Aug 2010 16:06

I hear you makisto and pele,if history is anything to go by, indeed the chanes are that high...But surely there has to be hope. For starters, short of a couple of percentages, the anc does not hold 2/3 majority in parliament and one hopes that some in parliament from the anc will vote againts the proposed bill...And i would hope that between the ANC and the media house there must be an independant committee that will preside over the whole issues at hand OBJECTIVELY?? ......*tryng very hard to stay hopefull*..... 

And If i may ask as a nervous citizen who doesnt know much but is interested...i said "this and that " in my last post above because i dont know the process that will lead to the final decision. What is the process?

pele
05 Aug 2010 08:00

if you heard what the ANCYL view on this one, you will certaily know the process i just a facewash...

media will have a meeting with ANC, if we dont hear each other eyeto eye, we going to  COURT AS PROMISED BY SANEF,,,,
GA--when ANC is concerned, i doubt they will even give a damn about the process, so it will be better to get a leak from them to inform everyone, what is their next step. But it looks like it will be to discredit journo's first and then have a handfull evidence in court.


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